BTW... Zombaio has 4.9% processing right out the gate... and doesn't have the shit storm associated with their name. Ccbill charges me 13% but are solid and have not missed a payment or don't anything shady in the 6+ years I have been using them. (Ibill first fuckover was the very reason ccbill became my primary, I only wish I would have pulled away from Ibill completely at that time.)

I just don't see how you can put this garbage out there and say your doing anything special in an attempt to "repay" the depts. now, 1% till the dept was paid back with no reserves and continuing at 4.9-14% depending on placement in the cascade, would have been something to consider.

So im guessing this question was way too difficult for you ? and you are what C.E.O or C.F.O of the new IBILL ?

I agree with what others are saying, these are bad analogies:


In these examples only a very small percentage of the customer base of these products were affected / harmed and the errors were the result of an outside party tampering (in the case of Tylenol) or the error of a low level employee (J in the B).

Allow me to put this into perspecitive with some better examples:

Booking a cruise on a cruise ship named Titanic

Taking blimp ride on a vessle named The Hindenburg

Buying stock in a company called ENRON

Signing a service agreement with a cell phone provider called Worldcom

Opening an account with a finacnial services firm named Lehman Brothers

Hilter is a famous last name, yet many of his blood relatives have gone as far as to change their surnames to get away from the noteriety

Just because something is a famous mark it doesn't always translate into a salvageable brand identity. :2 cents:


Best of luck to you.

The whole Tylenol analogy is hereby the "Ipill".

Ipill, it's the tough one to swallow.

YOU understand analogies. iBill, not so much.

LOL....what a Fucking bunch of jokers...we have to sign back up, trust and process with iBill refuck 2 and they will pay back via processing fees...lol at what %...that will take years and years...and by then you probably won't be processing as iBill refuck 2...maybe you will be setting up another iBill refuck 3 company and claim it has nothing to do with the first or second iBill...catch me once shame on you, catch me twice (GKard hoping to salvage our rebill's etc) shame on me and in many cases catch us 3 times via the billing you fucks automatically set up after GKard shame on us again(You Fucks stll processed rebills till the members had to cancel their CARDS as you were not allowing cancellations to go through and with NO Payment to us)...but FUCK us a fourth time....fuck you to hell and back...carma will fuck you so bad...you fucking ass whipes of human beings...why can't you just admit you are out to fuck us again and get one more FREE payday from the industry and retire on an island you buy from the money you stole before and just topped up with your new iBill refuck 2...but Carma will fuck you...it always does...who knows but maybe that Island you buy will become an active volcano and erupt right under your weazel thieving ass...

Fuck these iBill planning to fuck you again threads just get my blood boiling, and I know I am not the only one...fucking pricks...you will go to hell where you belong...what will there next scheme be to try and scam webmasters to join them...

It still amazes me that some who got bitten badly before are prosessing with them again...or is that another lie by iBill...if not well when they fuck those webmasters again it is 100% the webmasters fault....it also amazes me that they think that a surfer who got fucked before will sign back up with them...but then again surfers do crazy things with their cock in hand...but I thought even they would have to draw the line at getting robbed and fucked up the ass especially when the surfer expects to do the fucking....and in todays tough times...I sure hope they don't get caught again...

Fuck you iBill...rot in Hell...

Here is some advice for you, start sending your resume out soon.



There is no way that anyone who got burned by them in the past is processing with them again, at least not anyone who does more than 5 transactions a week. Anyone with any common sense will stay away from them. The only people who might be using them are noobs who didn't do any research and don't know any better, and its likely they not doing many transactions either.

They will never make any money from adult. But hey people still take asprin so adult webmasters will trust ibill again, LMAO. Some people are WAY over paid and should not only be fired for complete incompetence but shot this is so bad.

These hit closer to the mark.

Furthermore I would add that making up the money owed to webmasters is a weak move as it lassos them in and sends iBill money. Promising someone their money if they send you business is appalling. It's THEIR money, why should they lift a finger to get what's owed them?

It could also be construed as a tacit admission of guilt. You either had something to do with iBill's shenanigans or you didn't. If you didn't, why in the world would you want to pay their bad debts? If you DID, then you've lied to the entire community again right out of the gate and who in their right mind would chance doing business with you under such dubious circumstances?

Exactly right. Not one of the many, many adult webmasters I know (many with tons of traffic) will ever send even one surfer to any paysite or other program using iBill anywhere in its cascade. Too many affiliates wound up getting fucked out of money owed to them because of iBill's actions in the past.

Any sponsor who signs up to use iBill with affiliate traffic can pretty much count on seeing their affiliate traffic stats take an immediate nose dive down to the zero line. Even if a program only uses iBill on their internal traffic it's still a good bet that affiliates will definitely find out about it and will spread the word that this is a sponsor you should avoid. I know several webmasters who are planning to put up sites/pages which will name and blacklist any sponsors who sign up to use iBill.

There are some things even an adult webmaster will not forgive or forget.

:disgust

I can't believe these guys didn't learn well from ThirdParty Screwing 101. In the past when a 3rd party biller goes down in flames and people get fucked, the smart thing to do was to jump ship and start a NEW company under a new NAME. This way most people don't know who you are and you can go back to screwing them.

This method has worked well in the past. The web800 people came back instantly as Digiblaze which lasted for about a year or two before they fucked that up. All the "smart" ibill people jumped shipped and started a new company which is still processing today....

You guys are really stupid. You would have been so much better off following what worked in the past for other defunct 3rd party processors but no, you wanted to try to do something different and start back over with the SAME company name LMAO.

If your only "credibility" or "fame" is using the ibill name, that says a lot about your company.

I would not be surprised if this wasnt the same idiots ?

http://www.globill.net/

:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

Exactly...in one of iBills recent posts after one of the shows they claimed that some of the past webmasters that processed with them had signed back up...another fucking lie by these cock sucking weazels...carma will rule in their case...it just has to.....

It is amazing that they claimed this and no one has admitted to signing back up with them yet...maybe iBill can tell us who has...and prove that they are not lying scumbag fucking pricks...but I doubt they would...iBill cannot claim privacy protection in this case as if someone big has re-signed up with them it would be all over the boards by now (as was mentioned earlier) as a program to avoid...

Fuck you iBill...

LOL I supose the only change in the company is where before the logo was green now it is blue...other than that it is exactly the same and they are looking for another FREE payday...

Yep its bullshit i had a feeling

Baddogs I please ask respects for not post pictures of my papa.

Thanks for much.

Rodrigo

comedy at it's finest :)

From their new website
 

Nothing to do with the old IBILL, no employees from the old IBILL working at the new IBILL
More B.S.

"No matter what size your business is, you will need a global, reliable, secure, e-commerce solution to support your companies growth goals. Since 1997, merchants around the world have used iBill to processes hundreds of millions in online payments from low to high risk merchants abroad. iBill understands your industry and tailors payment solutions to meet your companies needs. Partner with us and tap into 12-plus years of helping businesses move money quickly and securely worldwide."

This joke is getting really old. I can't understand why there isn't a ban happening.

You fail.

Let me explain this to you. Yes, Jack in the box had one event where a few people died. They had millions of customers and 1 bad thing happened a couple people died.

Ibill had thousands of customers (many of us here) and one very big bad thing happened and we ALL got screwed, not just a couple people.

Sure people might still buy burgers from Jack in the Box, but do you think the dead people or the family members of the dead people do? That is what you are trying to do here. You are trying to sell bad meat to the very people that were in the hospital for this once before. Ibill poisoned the entire industry. You might get a few noobs to sign up that don't know better and weren't around a couple years ago, but you will not touch 99% of the processing in the adult industry because of what already happened.

I can see someone sitting in a board room, pitching this shit to other board members and investors " but Jack in the box killed people and they came back, anything can be rebranded" etc... :1orglaugh

Like I've said someone should be fired, and shot for gross incompotence on this one. The only people getting screwed by ibill this time is the idiots who listened to who ever's advice it was to start a billing company with the name ibill. :2 cents:

hire a consultant next time, morons.

I can't quite put my finger on it, but this threads feels....

http://cache.kotaku.com/assets/resou...nked-thumb.jpg

From Ripoff Reports interesting read ?
 

Report: #459033
Report: B2B CREDIT - IBILL

Reported By: (Silver Spring Maryland)
B2B CREDIT - IBILL - JONAS BROWN, CEO Of B2B CREDIT & IBILL PROMISES TO BUILD BUSINESS - WILL TAKE YOUR MONEY AND YOU GET NOTHING! Aurora Colorado
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B2B CREDIT - IBILL
10640 E Bethany Dr Ste A
Aurora Colorado 80014-2600
U.S.A.
Phone: 303-369-8100
Web Address:

Category: Business Consultants

Submitted: Friday, June 05, 2009
Posted: Friday, June 05, 2009
The CEO for IBILL, Inc. ALSO owns B2B Credit Inc., - He failed to perform the service (building business credit) for which they advertised and I paid for (from Oct 2007 to present). In Oct 2007 I paid $399 upfront fee (plus $125 p/mo, thereafter) for B2B Credit Inc to build my business credit. The first few months went fairly well, with their rep but, she left in early 2008. There was no rep working to provide the credit building service from Mar 08-July 08 & eventually I complained to the Ops Mgr, (whom I would later find out was the owner's wife). In Dec 08, she conceded to their lack of performance & issued a 4 month credit (through May 09).

From Jan 09-present, there has been no credit building activity on my account. I requested cancellation & a refund in late Feb, early Mar & was told, by Wife/Ops Mgr, that they would issue the refund. She then passed the buck on to Husband/CEO. I spoke with CEO, last month, on the phone & via emails. His last communiction was that he didn't have my credit card info to make the refund (they sure had it to charge the fees). I provided the card info, via email & have made several follow up calls, with no response...UNTIL last week, when I received a SOLICITATION to PAY for a conference call with CEO, where he would tell business owners how to build credit. Unbelievable!

This man promises to build your business credit to $150,000 in 9-12 months. It has been almost 18 months & all his company has managed to do is build debt for my company. There is NOTHING reporting to D&B for my business, as promised & I deserve a refund. I have 2 years worth of emails that detail these events & would be happy to fax anything you think is pertinent. I am now inclined to believe that he is a scam artist.

I have filed with Better Busines Bureau and am planning a civil suit - WATCH OUT FOR THEM!

Ready2sue
Silver Spring, Maryland
U.S.A.

http://www.ripoffreport.com/business...s-br-y4w8e.htm

B2B Credit seems to be offline, but this is a post about them
 

12. Re: B2B Credit Oct 28, 2008 6:36 PM
I can tell you the truth about B2B credit... I used them for approximately four months or so. I used their services under the premonition that they would be able to help me get credit without using me as a personal grantor. As you are a business that is starting up.... that is far from the truth. They had me first getting tradelines with companies that helped me in no way. Some of the people did not even report my net 30 accounts to DNB. I checked my credit via Experian business and DNB and out of the 4 tradelines that B2B set me up with... only 1 was actually reporting. So I was in more debt losing another 125 a month and no one reporting. They applied at different places saying I would not need to use my personal scores, but each time they applied with someone they asked for a personal signee. Staples, OfficeMax, Gas cards, etc. When it came down to real companies extending credit.. it was not how the salesman described it to me. I had questions that I needed answered and sometimes they did not answer them back. They switched reps on me. It was a little bit much.

All this info is out there if you look for it. Still want to do business with them ?
 

Name: B2B Credit Inc.
Phone: (303) 369-8100
Address: 10640 E Bethany Dr Ste A
Aurora, CO 80014-2600
Website: www.b2bcredit.com
Original Business Start Date: May 2006
Principal: Mr. Jonas Brown, Owner
Customer Contact: Mr. Jonas Brown, Owner
Type of Business: Credit Services
BBB Accreditation: This company is not a BBB Accredited business.



BBB processed a total of 21 complaints about this company in the last 36 months, our standard reporting period. Of the total of 21 complaints closed in 36 months, 2 were closed in the last year.

These complaints concerned :
1 regarding Billing or Collection Issues
7 regarding Contract Issues
5 regarding Customer Service Issues
3 regarding Refund or Exchange Issues
2 regarding Sales Practice Issues
3 regarding Service Issues

PHP/Smarty Nerd Required.
 

Anybody that knows how to use edit some smarty code and some php code, hit me up, I have a couple of small edits to be done on a non-adult site.

I'm not buying any of this talk until Rodrigo says it's so.

The Jack in the Box analogy should be instead:

Jack in the Box opens up in 2002. Then, in 2007 (or whenever the old iBill stopped paying), everyone who still happened to be eating Jack in the Box got extremely sick and/or died of e-coli poisoning.

There, how's that? Would anyone eat at a relaunched Jack in the Box if that were the case?

Or Firestone - how about if at the point blowouts started to happen, it wasn't just a random smattering of their tires but ALL of their tires that blew out, causing hundreds of thousands if not millions of accidents, deaths, etc.?

Enron, Titanic, etc. are good analogies too. :)

Oh yea, and new iBill, your "plan" is not paying anyone back. If someone has to actually make you money in order to get paid back, that's incentive. That's no different than a program giving increased payout for a period of time and is fucking ridiculous to be labeled as paying them back if you ask me. You're probably trying to hook people in again to fuck them. The sad thing is I feel like this is stating the OBVIOUS but you'll probably still end up hooking people in and fucking them.

So it looks like, a I thought, regular webmasters will not get paid back. There are a lot of webmasters who lost money because they had revshare accounts with sponsors that used ibill and when they crashed and burned that money and those rebills went with it. I'm not owed nearly what a lot of people are, but I can tell you this, I will not promote revshare on any program that uses the new ibill.

No one will get paid, affiliates or programs because only a fool will sign up for Ibills doomed IBILL2

At 9 am this morning Pacific time this Joanass guy joined another board with a similar membership :winkwink:
Within 3 posts and 20 minutes he was run off the board and has not posted since, because he is unable to answer the question thrown at him. Way to go moron :thumbsup

"Hi, My name is Adolph Hitler and I am running for the Presidency of Germany. Yes, I know I look, sound, and say many of the same things that that OTHER Adolph Hitler last century did, but I can ASSURE you, I am NOT the same person!"

Walks like a duck, talks like a duck..it's IBILL!

What is this thing? These pillow faces sure look funny to me.

I wouldn't touch the "new Ibill" with a 10 foot pole. I am owed 10's of thousands, but I'd rather lose it all than see that piece of shit company resurrected. And as for new clients, let me point out the CCBill has never missed a single payment in over 11 years of business. If you want a 3rd party processor, why would you look anywhere else?

Fuck Ibill, new and old. :2 cents:

how do you even have the nerve to show your face here?

Never too late to change your name.

No match for "FAILBILL.COM".
>>> Last update of whois database: Wed, 03 Mar 2010 11:17:06 UTC <<<

iBill,
You should become VIP Billing (VipBilling.com), for only $708
http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/956551-vip-billing.html

I dont think they totally understand what they did to some people. I personally know some people who made thier sole living off thier website, myself included but I came out ok, I was using these guys for my processing but when this all went bad I switched to ccbill, no it was in no way easy for us either but we managed, many people I know didnt, and a few of them ended up losing thier homes because of this. You morons ruined families, peoples lives, thier credit.....you destroyed them. I cannot see anyway ibill could possibly be trusted.

rodrigo can we get a comment please?