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well im going to workout in about an hour, i just ate 1 serving of pasta, 1 serving brown rice, 1 tbs olive oil, 2 tbs natty pb, greek yogurt, and 2 chicken breasts, about an hr before that i had 2 bananas and a 400 calorie shake. Post workout is pretty much the same, ill have a 400 cal shake, followed by about a 5-800 calorie meal.
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I had 10 egg whites, 2 strips of well done bacon, a litre of skim milk for breakfast.
Soon I will goto the gym for an hour an a half, 30 mins of cardio after I DESTROY 1 body part today. |
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no supplements pre/post? |
sometimes ill take jacked, creatine mono has been giving me pretty bad stomach cramping so ive been staying away from that for now, and protein, those are the only supps i currently am on. im basically eating as miuch and as cleanly as possibly to get to 180-185 then cutting to 175 @ 8%
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thx for the info, DLXphil.
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I'm fucking flexing in my mirror right after I post this.
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thread got weird.
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nethorse, what's your pre and post workout nutrition/supplementation?
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Usually preworkout I'll eat plain oats and raisins with a protein shake. If I'm tired I'll drink a cup of black coffee no sugar just before I hit the weights. Post workout, one cup brown rice or sweet potatoes, skinless chicken breast, or white meat turkey, steamed broccoli and another protein shake. When I was taking creatine I would take my creatine shake with BCAAs and maltodextrin, (I would count the maltodextrin towards my daily carb consumption) immediately after working out. That was back when I believed taking a quick absorbing carb right after lifting was crucial. From the research I've been doing it's not really necessary and may just attribute to fat gain since maltodextrin is a simple carb. Here is an interesting read... http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_a...utrition_myths |
interesting, i run 6 miles a day @ 8-10mph on the treadmill, not counting outdoor runs here and there too, and also lift. this actually was a helpful thread as i realized im not eating enough to gain any serious muscle... no meat, just rice, cereal, fish, and smoothies. running alone gave me big legs but i realize you gotta eat eat eat (i guess) for upper body mass?
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Yes you need to eat more calories than you consume to build new muscle. There are is no concrete daily calorie intake your body needs, however using this formula will give you can give you an idea.. BMR = 66 + (13.7 X weight in kilos) + (5 X height in cm) - (6.8 X age in years) 1 inch = 2.54 cm. 1 kilogram = 2.2 lbs. Example.. 25 years old 6 feet tall 220 pounds BMR is 66 + (1370) + (914) - (170) = 2180 calories Then the next step is to determine your total daily calorie needs, now multiply your BMR by the appropriate activity factor, as follows: If you are Sedentary - little or no exercise Calorie-Calculation = BMR X 1.2 - If you are Lightly Active (light exercise/sports 1-3 days/week) Calorie-Calculation = BMR X 1.375 - If you are Moderately Active (moderate exercise/sports 3-5 days/week) Calorie-Calculation = BMR X 1.55 - If you are Very Active = BMR X 1.725 (hard exercise/sports 6-7 days/week) Calorie-Calculation = BMR X 1.725 - If you are Extra Active (very hard daily exercise/sports & physical job or 2X day training) Calorie-Calculation = BMR X 1.9 The number you get is the total number of calories you need in order to MAINTAIN your current weight. If you want to gain body weight, you must consume more calories than you burn. Everyone's body is different though, if you're a hard gainer and don't have a huge appetite you may have to actually cut back your cardio. |
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BCAA'S, L-Carnetine.
The rest you need a prescription for. duke |
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Take it for it's worth!!! :) Personally, I think a lot of people jump to taking steroids when they shouldn't be touching them. In my opinion it should be used by guys who have already reached their genetic potential and want to get freaky big. Just my 2cents to any noobies reading this thread wanting to get into weight lifting and bodybuilding. |
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Man up and get some test... and a ton of Whey.
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thx, a lot of info in that article too. |
DLXphil,
I hear what you are saying, or the part that i can relate to and that's do the research. in that regard, i did what i felt was due diligence prior to taking the tren, i read info at one of the ph message boards and also read all the info at american cellular labs website and never came across any info informing me not to take an NO at the same time. this is the world of the multi-billion dollar supplement bidness, contra-indications might be hard to come by at one time or another. :) |
im not talking about doing some research online for 8 hours and thinking thats all, i sat, read studies, studied the actual chemical structures of the compounds, read logs on probably about 5 forums, sources out nolva/clomid, proper support supplement/supp complex, NAC, u name it. If anyone goes into taking an NO while on a PH is a newb and did not research enough (no offense to you), contradictions can be cleared up by asking questions. As soon as u told me your symptom you got an answer, simple as that on a Bodybuilding forum. And it is the people who are ill-informed who mess themselves up because their blood pressure went through the roof and so did their cholesterol and liver enzymes because they didnt monitor them. I doubt u have a BP cuff that you used every morning/night to balance dosing dependent on your BP. This stuff reacts different in everyones body. If u dont read about others experiences you will never truly know how to treat the supplement itself.
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BTW, the support supps he took was a prepacked thing like cycle assist which is supposedly okay from what I've heard.. Either way, IMO, he could have taken a million support supps, he's still putting the same crap in his system. It's like drinking a case of beer and smoking 2 packs of cigs a night for 4 weeks straight and saying, it's cool I eat healthy. Quote:
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It's something to take into consideration, but maybe I take my long term health a little more seriously than others.. |
it's hard to have a real back & forth convo with ya phil when you put such high expectations on things. suggesting everyone should study chemical structures, do more than 8 hours of research on something that is available otc and such simply isn't going to happen.
i mean, congrats on your doing so but that's just not the reality for the majority of us. |
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i'm not justifying shit, phil. i'm being realistic. and i am unsure why you choose to boil down my comments to an insulting *the gnc guy said so* crass remark it's really uncalled for. i would expect you to have a modicum of respect in how you characterize me in this convo. but thanks for proving my point, it is difficult to have a convo with you. |
youre taking offense to a generalized statement that i made, you bought it over the counter so you make the assumption that it can be used with everything else. News flash the supplement industry isnt regulated by the FDA, you need to do the research on your own to find out what interacts with what. Im not giving u a smart ass remark, im telling you how it is. Its obviously lack of research by the newbie mistake that you made by mixing an NO and a ph/ds/steroid/aas, lesson learned right? Dont take it to heart, you now know for next time. And even still, its not recommended to take an NO when taking an injectable either, for the same various reasons...so why would it be any different? my expectations arent for anyone except myself, however if your going to take a supplement marked as a mass builder, testosterone enhancer, or whatever they may call it, its up to the user to do his homework wether you think its realistic or not. i do this for me not anyone else...take my information for what it is and im sorry if i offended u in any way, but nothing was meant to be insulting. Either way its an assumption on both ends, supplement companies market things a certain way and tell u how to do it a certain way...hell if i followed the Anabolic Xtreme protocol on the bottle for superdrol it says to take it for 8 weeks ramping from 20mg-40mg, that is INSANE, followed by a mere OTC testosterone booster for 4 weeks. like that will get your levels back to normal...YEA RIGHT! If you get more in depth on forums related to this stuff youll realize that the companies almost "assume" that the users who consume their products know what theyre doing.
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sorry for the misunderstanding, have a good weekend!
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I don't get crazy with supplements. If you're eating a balanced diet you're getting most of what you need. That said - I do get CytoSport Muscle Milk. That stuff makes the BEST protein shake!!
Muscle Milk vanilla or cookies and creme - blended w/ a frozen banana, strawberries, or peaches - unbelievably good! |
muscle milk vanille + strawberries = WIN...lol STEWROIDS!
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No matter if you do proper PCT or not, every time you cycle you do a little more damage to your natural test production and endocrine system. There is a price to pay for the quick results hormonal supplements give you. |
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I love Superpump 250 by Gaspari. If you like a really good NO product give it a try. I've heard NO Shotgun is the best , but that's it's crazy strong. I've also had good results with Cell mass. Great post workout drink. Cell tech hardcore always made me hold too much water, etc. |
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