you do realize there was no SERMS when those "users" were in their teens/20's right? which is what is now required for a proper cycle. But then you have guys like Arnold Schwartzeneger who was on all the time with no pcts and hes still alive and kickin.

i'm not justifying shit, phil. i'm being realistic. and i am unsure why you choose to boil down my comments to an insulting *the gnc guy said so* crass remark

it's really uncalled for. i would expect you to have a modicum of respect in how you characterize me in this convo.

but thanks for proving my point, it is difficult to have a convo with you.

youre taking offense to a generalized statement that i made, you bought it over the counter so you make the assumption that it can be used with everything else. News flash the supplement industry isnt regulated by the FDA, you need to do the research on your own to find out what interacts with what. Im not giving u a smart ass remark, im telling you how it is. Its obviously lack of research by the newbie mistake that you made by mixing an NO and a ph/ds/steroid/aas, lesson learned right? Dont take it to heart, you now know for next time. And even still, its not recommended to take an NO when taking an injectable either, for the same various reasons...so why would it be any different? my expectations arent for anyone except myself, however if your going to take a supplement marked as a mass builder, testosterone enhancer, or whatever they may call it, its up to the user to do his homework wether you think its realistic or not. i do this for me not anyone else...take my information for what it is and im sorry if i offended u in any way, but nothing was meant to be insulting. Either way its an assumption on both ends, supplement companies market things a certain way and tell u how to do it a certain way...hell if i followed the Anabolic Xtreme protocol on the bottle for superdrol it says to take it for 8 weeks ramping from 20mg-40mg, that is INSANE, followed by a mere OTC testosterone booster for 4 weeks. like that will get your levels back to normal...YEA RIGHT! If you get more in depth on forums related to this stuff youll realize that the companies almost "assume" that the users who consume their products know what theyre doing.

sorry for the misunderstanding, have a good weekend!

I don't get crazy with supplements. If you're eating a balanced diet you're getting most of what you need. That said - I do get CytoSport Muscle Milk. That stuff makes the BEST protein shake!!

Muscle Milk vanilla or cookies and creme - blended w/ a frozen banana, strawberries, or peaches - unbelievably good!

muscle milk vanille + strawberries = WIN...lol STEWROIDS!

Serms have been around for awhile, Arnold had to have major heart surgery from damage done to his heart in his body building days. I've also read he's on hormonal replacement therapy.

No matter if you do proper PCT or not, every time you cycle you do a little more damage to your natural test production and endocrine system. There is a price to pay for the quick results hormonal supplements give you.

Waaaaaayyyyy too much ! Damn !

I love Superpump 250 by Gaspari. If you like a really good NO product give it a try. I've heard NO Shotgun is the best , but that's it's crazy strong.

I've also had good results with Cell mass. Great post workout drink. Cell tech hardcore always made me hold too much water, etc.