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To anyone that might have the next brainwave of maybe paid ads around true free cams and all other simlar ideas/concepts remember tubes are inexpensive to run compared to having live performers.
I have seen many different attempts to approach cams from new angles and the only idea that I have seen that I think could grow is a fixed ticket price per show ///ie $4,99 for a 1 hr show etc.....some are doing already. Maybe someone will of course at some point do something breathtaking and unique but I have yet to see it. |
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there is an affiliate program in beta for MyFreeCams - anybody on GFY in on it? if so how are you doing with it compared to other big cam site programs?
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This again? Is the death of camsites a weekly thread now? Anybody who thinks that free sex shows is where camsites make all their money should actually try running one. When you promote as an affiliate you have no idea what your referrers were doing in private, but believe me it is not always jerking off. A lot of the biggest spending whales like to talk also. |
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As for the models and the one on one, I am sure it is great until the girl gets greedy and tries to draw everything out. A pretty normal thing i am sure. I do not doubt that the high quality cam experience is here to stay. I just think anything that goes after the same customer base makes it harder. If you sell cars in a city with great public transportation, your low end buyers will be harder to convince. Same deal. |
Free cams may take away sales on the guys that don't give a shit who they look at as long as the chick is naked but quite a few guys bounce around and buy a few minutes here and there but once they find a girl that gets them off they aint going anywhere whether she charges 1.99 or 4.99 a minute. I have seen guys spend 1.99 a minute for 30-45 minutes and do nothing else but talk to the chick. Some guys need an online girlfriend of sorts. I have seen one guy asking for relationship advice for over 30 paid minutes. Really hot chicks and chicks that actually talk to their customers will always retain the pay per minute model as those customers aren't looking for just any random chick there looking for someone to talk to that cares or at least fakes it pretty good. I can advertise one of my cam sites and make profit every time. I advertise one of my tgp, mgp and then I realize it's not 2002 anymore.
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Does anyone have stats to compare the two markets? Cams to membership/clip sales?
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There is always money in any business especially when its sex. The point of the online girlfriend is perfect. Guys hunt around before finding that perfect woman for them when they shall spend hundreds. And why not, if it pleases them. Its better than spending hundreds in the boozer every night. :2 cents: |
you can gamble online for free but that hasn't hurt that industry
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porn is dead it's all dead now go home
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the more girls start doing free chats they'll eventually learn that they can make money and get free gifts from their viewers on their own. no more need of cam sites overseeing things. you dont need to buy minutes or tokens, you just have to connect with the people and like you guys have mentioned 'build a one on one connection' or 'online girlfriend relationship' (kind of sad, anyways). after that you ask them to send money via paypal or free gifts to a p.o. box. so there you go.
and it's similar to the adult film industry when back in the days you'd rarely see anal fucking. but when you have new girls come in and open their asses for business, eventually everyone has to take it in the ass or keep up with everyone else - or you dont work. as much as women (or any webcam performer) think they are the hottest thing out there, there's someone hotter and hungrier out there and they'll do whatever it takes. it's simple sabotage, similar to what the tubes have done. once you give things away for free (like nuke from robocop) you'll have them so hooked that you can monetize after. and you forget one thing - seeing and observing the youth today, you'll realize that they are attention whores. free cams is a great new way to become noticed, famous or infamous. and with so many people who live in the moment and pay for it for the rest of their lives - i can see the pay format of cams sinking. which is kind of sweet justice for those profiting from illegal tubes |
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I gave several valid reasons in this thread, that people ignore because they want so bad to see "sweet justice". I could dispute every thought in this thread with factual reasons why it wont happen the way you guys think, but whatever. I think I am going to go the other direction on this one. if you want to believe it, than it shall be true. While you are at it, don't even try to promote cams because their sales are sinking so bad, by the end of the year they will all be out of business because of those girls who are accepting paypal to do private cam shows. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh |
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Also working on a site not only gives you better billing protection but also produces massive amounts of viewers for you. |
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Hell I send prolly 1000 hits a day to livejasmine teaser cams from surfers who have verified credit cards and the signups are practically non existant. The only reason I'm even involved in this cam shit is becasue I was looking for webcam software so my dating site members can webcam chat with each other. What I found from searching around is what im talking about, especially the roulette chat craze. The projects that people are working on that I found while doing this research leads me to believe that paid webcams is gonna be hurting soon. It's my opinion, nothing more nothing less. I hope I'm wrong and webcams make a lot of people like you richer than you already are. From what I can gather chatroulette is planing on leasing its site to other websites, sorta like a iframe thing. |
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Its about quality..interaction and many other things...price doesnt really play a part in cams ..the proof and facts are there to see.....:) Regarding the chatroulette software if you want a few links to some cool clone scripts of it that you could use on your site if thats what you need...you have me on icq..... |
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I see high spending customers moan at a girl for having a price of $1.99 or even $0.99 a minute and then go take a less pretty girl private at a lower price. They will often still spend the same amount of money, they just like to enjoy it more by taking it slowly. It's all about value for money. Same as any business. |
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You will find in all industry and business both cheap and expensive (even free) exsist without affecting each other and in my view the cam market will always remain the same. ( at least for now) Of course this doesnt apply to stolen content tubes v paysites etc thats a different subject matter totally. |
myfreewebcams has live girls, they pay them very well
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What I see as dangerously FREE are free shows where girls expose for tips: In these instances a few guys tip while the rest get a free full-nude show. Some sites discourage it, some sites appear to ban it, but it's becoming more and more common IMO. Still, nothing will replace private 1-on-1 paid shows, since people are looking for emotional intimacy and personal online relationships. |
you can bet cam sites are NOT gonna go newhere.
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Choker,
What I see as dangerously FREE are free shows where girls expose for tips: In these instances a few guys tip while the rest get a free full-nude show. Some sites discourage it, some sites appear to ban it, but it's becoming more and more common IMO. Still, nothing will replace private 1-on-1 paid shows, since people are looking for emotional intimacy and personal online relationships. |
I think webcams have a long way to go, although webcams have been around for a while they are still not used much in our everyday lives. For example I have friends who have long distance relationships. They chat on aim, facebook, email, and mail gifts to each other. But why the hell don't they just get webcams and communicate with a visual experience.
I feel the companies that sell webcams have lacked mainstream marketing and perhaps don't feel the product will generate enough income for them. I have not seen a commercial on TV pushing webcams. The company I work for just invested big money in video conferencing and I am sure they could have found a solution with webcams though a large TV monitor. I promote the fuck out of cams and I don't even own a webcam. :2 cents: |
I have been on Camz for 5 years. I have customers that I have been doing shows with for that whole 5 years. Once you get to know a person, they keep coming back to see you. Some people don't seem to get that. Any chick can stick a dildo up their ass, it is much harder to sit and chat with someone. To actually get to know them and want to talk to them.
I have been doing shows with one member who likes to just talk for 3 and a half years. We talk for two or three hours. He told me one night I was not, he went to talk to another model. When he told her he wanted to just talk and not have a toy show, she called him a weirdo and kicked him out of the show. I don't think free web cam sites are going to hurt any of the large web cam sites. They provide a service. Plus I always hear from members that a lot of the ladies that give free shows or charge 99 cents a minute don't speak English. |
Camfrog. Why would you ever need to pay for cam shows again? I meet so many chicks and shemales on there who do privates for me, it should be criminal.
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how much do you charge for a squirrel show? i would be interested in paying to see that... . |
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I'd like to see an attractive American girl that fucks her pussy and ass for free "because she just gets off on this kinda stuff" 5-6 hours a day, 5 times a week like it's a real job. Then follow up with emails to all of her best chatters, remembers them all by name, shows up the next day to do the exact same thing with a huge smile on her face, etc.. I have charged anywhere from $3.99-$6.99 a MINUTE and the same guys still take me private, some on a daily basis, for YEARS. because the like that 1 on 1 interaction. They like cam2caming and talking on the phone with me. Because I know them personally and they tell me their deepest darkest secrets.. They don't want to be one of many in a crowd, they can go see a girl fucking her pussy or ass with a dildo for free on any tube site, that's not the only thing webcam customers want... I'm not worried about the "free webcam sites" one bit. |
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I dare you to find a cam girl that charges .99/min that gives as good as a show as the American girls I know who charge 3.99-6.99. I've never found one. Every cam site I've worked for I've asked for $100-$200 in credit so I could shop around before I started working for them. and I found the same thing. Those girls charge next to nothing because they offer next to nothing in private. when you say "take it slowly" you mean "those girls take 5 minutes to take their bra off" no joke. |
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Your opinion about cam sites is wrong. Don't take offense, if anything try to learn something from this thread. You have a couple people here who have spent 10+ years only promoting cam sites giving you great advice. Paid cams wont be hurting, what has been explained in this thread by people who know what they are talking about should be valued more than your couple hours of looking around. Don't worry paid cams will not be affected by these new projects and current free cam sites. If you can't make sales with livejasmin, maybe it is livejasmin or the way you are promoting cams on you dating site. It is amazing how your results can change by just making a couple small changes, using the right promos, etc... Minor things can make a huge difference in sales and conversions. If you want some help contact me. Chatroulette is the last free cam site that would affect sales. I've explained why already in this thread. I don't care how many projects "are in the works". There is always projects in the works and there will always be projects in the works. 95% of them never get finished or get off the ground. |
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I have no idea what the asians look like on your site, if they work from home, etc... just commenting on my experiences in general with asian chat host. When I hear " hey bb" I could shoot them lol. What the hell is a "bb" anyway. |
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Cams sites are here to stay. Period. It does not matter the price, it does not matter the nationality of the model, it does not even matter the looks of the model, it's all about the personality of the model and how the model knows to "work the crowd". If the customer has money, the customer will spend.
Of course, customers look for the cheapest price, same goes in every field, be it porn or mainstream, but eventually, they'll pick what they really need/want, regardless of the price. As long as they afford, people will spend money on cams. |
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