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VladS 03-15-2010 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Choker (Post 16945625)
This is exactly what I'm talking about. I see changes to the business model itself. With the proliferation of so many cam sites why would i pay $4.99 a minute when I can paypal some hottie $50 and get a hour show from her?

"Particular" shows on Yahoo, MSN, etc... paid via PayPal, Western Union or whatever have been around for some time now, years and years... It's part of the cams business so to say. Cam sites can't do much about it, the models will always find a way to bypass that and make some extra money on "particular" shows. It's something that cam sites live with and it does not really make a huge difference for the cam site's earnings.

Why would customers pay $X.XX a minute when they can do "particular" shows? Streaming quality, ability to chargeback if the show does not live up to the expectations, etc... There are pros and cons about it from a customer point of view, but like i said, it's something that happens and it does not really make a huge difference for the cam site's earnings.

VladS 03-15-2010 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 16945683)
Why would she do the show when she can just take the 50 bucks and disappear? On the other side of the coin, why would the guy not chargeback the 50 bucks after the show is done? There is no protection provided.

The customer might want a show again in the future, the same goes for the model... their both interest is to keep their word and deliver what was promised. This type of "particular" shows happens very often in the cams business, but like i said, it does not make a huge difference for the cam site's earnings.

VladS 03-15-2010 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Choker (Post 16945718)
[...] Hell I send prolly 1000 hits a day to livejasmine teaser cams from surfers who have verified credit cards and the signups are practically non existant. [...]

Test the waters and find the right cam site to convert your type of traffic. With all due respect for LiveJasmin, i would not send quality traffic to them. Give a try to VideoSecrets (Flirt4Free), LiveBucks (PrivateFeeds) and why not PussyCash (ImLive). Link to the free instant video chat rooms.

Ask the respective sponsors for some free credit to test the site where you'll be sending traffic. Get to know the site so that you know how to market/sell it. Keep testing until you find the cam site that converts best your type of traffic.

BlackCrayon 03-15-2010 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Gsx-R (Post 16946869)
The customer might want a show again in the future, the same goes for the model... their both interest is to keep their word and deliver what was promised. This type of "particular" shows happens very often in the cams business, but like i said, it does not make a huge difference for the cam site's earnings.

You'd think that would work for paysites as well, the customer likes the content, wants more but nope. They'd rather pay nothing and then move on to something else when it dries up.

ilnjscb 03-15-2010 07:44 AM

here's a conversation at myfreecams:

ericdazzle: throw a peace sign
ericdazzle: say my name at the camera
streeeeetch: is this live?
ericdazzle: I have tokens but you have to say my name
eat_ur_cooz: wave at the camera

She never responded. I guess it is a good idea but it looks like they pad the "real" girls with taped sessions.

Kevsh 03-15-2010 07:47 AM

I already posted my views on this topic in another thread. Basically, don't worry about it - some viewers want McDonalds, others want fine dining and there's room for both. Nobody should be worrying or calling the paid-cam market in "serious fucking trouble".

On that note, if you happen to have paid-cam focused sites that are doing well but you want to get out 'cos Choker says you should, hit me up :)

$5 submissions 03-15-2010 07:49 AM

Be an intermediary. Also, sell scenarios and microniche fetishes. People aren't paying to see skin, they are paying to see skin that fits their fantasies exactly. One more step to ultrapersonal adult entertainment.

roly 03-15-2010 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevsh (Post 16947309)
I already posted my views on this topic in another thread. Basically, don't worry about it - some viewers want McDonalds, others want fine dining and there's room for both. Nobody should be worrying or calling the paid-cam market in "serious fucking trouble".
On that note, if you happen to have paid-cam focused sites that are doing well but you want to get out 'cos Choker says you should, hit me up :)

people were saying this about online porn sales when tubes started appearing, and look what that did to the market.

will76 03-15-2010 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ilnjscb (Post 16947302)
She never responded. I guess it is a good idea but it looks like they pad the "real" girls with taped sessions.


There is no way to prove that ANY of the "girls" on free cam sites are not recorded videos. I could create a free cam site and EASILY fake it. Hell I should. I just need to collect enough recorded videos, I program 1 or 2 bot (ringers) in each room that ask the girl to do something right before she does it on camera. Or ask her a question and she responds. If you put a flashing live banner under the recorded video, and people see her reply to a couple questions everyone will think she is live / real. When they ask a question, being that there are 100's of other people in the room they know she can't reply to everyone.

Which proves why free cams suck and you might as well be watching a video, because it actually might be a video anyways. If watching a video does it for you, then you were never going to pay per minute for a cam show anyway because the personal attention, control, quality, etc.. all the benefits that goes with a ppm cam site were obviously not important to you.

RyuLion 03-15-2010 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Choker (Post 16944116)
I just spent the last hour cruising one of the new free webcam sites, plenty of hot girls giving away free shows and yes doing what you ask, some girls just get off on doing this. Anyone saying this will not impact web cam shows is simply fooling themselves. This is not good.

Make sense. :2 cents:

candyflip 03-15-2010 08:48 AM

This thread about cams seems empty. It needs more Minniesporno. :1orglaugh

ArsewithClass 03-15-2010 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ilnjscb (Post 16947302)
here's a conversation at myfreecams:

ericdazzle: throw a peace sign
ericdazzle: say my name at the camera
streeeeetch: is this live?
ericdazzle: I have tokens but you have to say my name
eat_ur_cooz: wave at the camera

She never responded. I guess it is a good idea but it looks like they pad the "real" girls with taped sessions.

Ive just signed our studio up to myfreecams.com and they do not do a recording. Maybe the model was either into another conversation on the free area or maybe she didnt like the ignorance of " I have tokens, say my name"??? Maybe a little "please" would have taken her a little further? :2 cents:

cherrylula 03-15-2010 11:14 AM

yahoo messenger has a webcam feature too and don't think there aren't tons of guys waiting cam2cam over there. this was years ago too.

JaneB 03-15-2010 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart (Post 16946208)
how much do you charge for a squirrel show? i would be interested in paying to see that...






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It is way out of your price range. I will cut you a break if you do cam 2 cam, and I can see you take a thick 11 inch dildo up your ass. :thumbsup:winkwink:

JaneB 03-15-2010 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ilnjscb (Post 16947302)
here's a conversation at myfreecams:

ericdazzle: throw a peace sign
ericdazzle: say my name at the camera
streeeeetch: is this live?
ericdazzle: I have tokens but you have to say my name
eat_ur_cooz: wave at the camera

She never responded. I guess it is a good idea but it looks like they pad the "real" girls with taped sessions.




It could be a taped session, she don't understand English, or the model just ignore's people that beg her to say their name. There are a lot of people in free chat that beg for shit or ask if the show is live. :winkwink:

sexdatesj 03-15-2010 11:28 AM

Alot of good points.. everyone has their own opinions..

will76 03-15-2010 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by sexdatesj (Post 16947791)
Alot of good points.. everyone has their own opinions..

there are "opinions" by people who don't know what they are talking about and have never (or rarely) promoted cams, and then there are "opinions" by people who have been doing this for years and make a lot of money from it.

And then there are drive by posters that don't have a clue in the fucking world, that reply with 1 sentence saying shit like "I agree".

GFY can be so comical sometimes. Everyone thinks they know everything about everything.

AaliyahLove 03-15-2010 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by candyflip (Post 16947414)
This thread about cams seems empty. It needs more Minniesporno. :1orglaugh

oh shit, I just peed my panties laughing:1orglaugh

AaliyahLove 03-15-2010 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Gsx-R (Post 16946843)
Bla, bla, bla... and bla. :2 cents:

I thought the same thing about your contribution to the thread.:321GFY


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