just think, you do only 5 sales a month.

Why? I feel like a dumb ass even getting involved.

I can make you 100 sales a day but there isn't even a sponsor out there offering 10 bucks a day at 100 sales a day to make it worth my while?

goes with...

Let me sell my SEO BULLSHIT when I can take 10 top spots on any Search Engine and promote ten sponsors to make way more than the same...

yada yada yada i don't even want to get into the other shit! :1orglaugh

Okay I will!

1:200 sales a day and why do you even need an affiliate?

If you're such great sponsor that converts why do you need $100 promos to get affiliates to promote you?

Just asking...

i know its a difficult concept to understand but traffic brokering has been around since the dawn of clicks

:thumbsup

think about it for a second

if your a whale and command the highest payouts in the biz and send to 10 different programs you have 10 different people you have to deal with for creative, payouts issues ect ect

with me they only have to deal with one and i deal with all the bs.

and get paid very well to do it thank you =)

Yeah, $180k/year for that is not bad. Congrats!

180k? keep going up. i broker a lot more then 100 joins a day =)

:pimp:pimp:pimp:pimp:pimp:pimp:pimp

Hey, you're right.

If you are able to actually get some kind of guarantee out of traffic at a rate of 1:300 using your guy's regular promotion methods... then that's great.

Picking the right program with high conversions and payouts is a skill. 30,000 uniques a day to send sponsors is no small number, and 1:300 ratio sure is better than 1:anything above that.

I just have a hard time seeing how a single person who's got the skills/experience/motivation to push that many sales couldn't also make the deals or find the programs to continue/expand what he does. But if you're really that good at what you do, and he's good at what he does, kudos to you my friend, you make a great team! :thumbsup

Me too! I play by the minute, fuck that 1 zillion sign ups a day bull shit, that's for small timers! :thumbsup

it is a good team thanks. kind of a niche i carved out for myself after being a rep for a program for a few years. its symbiotic of sorts. i manage the programs for them, make creatives for them, deal with payout issues and whatever else at no cost to them. for them its a win win. and for the program its a win win. most programs pay 10% wm ref. i get a bit better then that for refering whales. they make more money on the volume sent.

everyone makes money =)

im glad i took you off ignore just for that quote

thanks for playing! back on ignore you go =)

If you were from Hollywood CA instead of Hollywood FL you'd know never to put anyone on ignore, so hopefully you're lying, but I'm still trying to understand why someone brokers someone who is getting sign ups. The whole concept is too Hollywood CA for me to ignore without ridiculing to DEATH! :1orglaugh

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Right on.

From your experience, and in 2010 (not before the tube era), what do most programs that pay 35-40+ per paid trial consider a "whale" affiliate? How many paid joins per day on average do you have to send in that price bracket? 10? 20?

when i started in this biz 10 years ago 100 a day was barely a whale

today if you can send 20 joins a day most programs will consider you a whale

i think 20 joins a day is very good, especially at 1:200 sign ups that all sponsors push and 100 dollar promos. How can you lose?

oh the good ole days!

hit me up....

Okay so we're at 2000 dollars a day in the worse case scenario. Myself I don't know If I can manage with this but even at ten percent agent fees with 200 dollars a day I would probably be an agent if I had absolutely no talent whatsoever but could sell it.

ok i took u off again so ill explain. do not ridicule that which you do not understand (not a jab just some advice)

why would a whale not want me to rep them to different programs. it doesnt cost the whale a dime. he gets many benifits from it. he gets to focus more of his time and attention on generating more traffic which in turn makes him more money. have you ever had to chase a sponsor for a missing payment or issue or creative? takes time from your day. time = money. they dont have to do that. thats what im here for.

You're really creating great biz for your self in this thread champ :thumbsup

Forest, the reason I said about the amount, wasn't saying that other companies do not give that amount. However, I was asking if you would be interested in sending good traffic to a decent up & coming company with new exclusive content updates for your traffic to become real & decent sales.
Sometimes more of less is better than less of more. :2 cents: Would you guy that has 100 joins a day, not be interested in sending some of that traffic to our collection of sites but I can only offer $25?


What are you even doing in this thread? Forest has decent traffic for decent content sites, not crap mrban sites with untidy camera work, awful design & a small amount of poor content! Now fuck off!

Bumping a business thread.

who are the winners. :pimp

sorry dude but my guys wont do anything below 40pps for them. i appreciate the offer though.

I have screenwriting credits and except for the whole WGA thing (which I consider a mafia shakedown) I can't understand the agent thing out here either. Seriously. I think I'm more curious than against what he is doing but I would speak this same why to an agent repping me just for the record.

Actually I'm probably giving him business bumping this thread right and good for him, if he can actually get things done...

you cant understand allowing someone to take the tedious side of your business away from you and doing it for you at zero cost to you with all the upside benefits that the time freed up brings?

wow

I can see the boards being full of people offering to be brokers over the next few weeks after this thread.

you have to have the product to broker :thumbsup

No, I totally understand when that can be accomplished and someone is making mega cash and someone else has mega connections.

My problem is dealing with the belief that either side is worth anything of value in this from the perspective of the other side during the transition of getting there.

Or course you have to start somewhere and all the power to you. Seriously. I can't help but laugh but with all due respect I laugh at Hollywood agents too.

I'm actually behind what you are trying to do and I'm not someone who can get 100 sign ups a day for some site I don't believe in just on webmaster skill. I'm straight up honest about that.

this thread makes me laugh for a whole list of reasons. ;)

good to see Far-L still comes around though.

in all actuality the person you are "brokering traffic" for is losing that extra $5 per join he could be keeping for himself. SOOO, in reality, there is a cost to him in the measurement of his lost money.

but to each their own.

He is not losing $5 ....Thats what agents/brokers do....find work...best deals etc ...example if you sell a domain for me and I give you $50 have I lost 50 bucks ? ..yes I could have made 50 bucks more doing the deal direct but you did the work for me ..got the customer etc

Forest is doing his part of finding good deals etc ....I cant understand sometimes why some peeps on gfy cant grasp the whole broker/manager and agent concept...

Forest knows his shit..true dat!

Does it matter if he is sitting by the pool smoking cigars and drinking hard liquer ???? :upsidedow its about the 100 sales....not WTF he is doing .....

Hey Forest,

I'm interested in what your boy can do. Let's talk.

Peace,
@stonescrilla

i can offer you 4700$ a day for 100 sales daily

sad to get in on the action I would need to do a double pre-check and hidden upgrade to be able to payout $47 a sale.

As a side note, I've brokered for a few for years, been a while since I heard of someone doing 100 joins a day to a porn sponsor that still needed a broker.

Shit at 100 sales a day for a 10% ovveride for me, I can just set him up with his own billing and sites.

If you have dating traffic lets talk, $40 pps all day

i'll take a couple a those. put me down for two

Exactly.

After all the hell raising that the clowns of GFY did about x-sells and it "destroying the business for everybody" blah-blah-blah...here is a thread that is all about x-sells and draining a card dry. lol

How the hell do any of you think a program is going to make a profit by paying $47 for a trial membership? And then doing that 100 times a day. I would be bankrupted...UNLESS I made sure that everyone of those transactions made me TWICE that amount to make it worth it to me.

Think about it. One guy on here offered an honest site...and everybody laughed at him.

Second thought is this...how do you guarantee 100 joins a day? I don't know how to force people to buy a membership to anything in this world. Yeah, give me a few million in traffic like I once had and I'll market it and average about 50 sales a day.

But I'm just curious WHO has that kind of traffic now that isn't named "pornhub" or "redtube" And pornhub traffic has NOT converted for me worth a damn.

Just saying. This is a whole other realm of things here. This is not a case of people seeing a banner, text link, or hosted gallery and thinking: "I believe I'll join this porn site for the $1 trial"

This is strictly a numbers game and doesn't really have much to do with the porn biz. Not making judgement on anybody...money is money and business is business. I'm just sayin...

Exactly. I understand completely how a broker works and for an average to large affiliate pushing 5-20 sales a day across a couple programs I can see the benefit. Tap into the brokers knowledge, receive a larger pps amount due to the brokers other clients also sending joins etc.

However for an affiliate that can send 100 joins a day they could receive the extra $5 per sale pretty easily brokering it themselves. And for the rest of the services that a "broker" would offer (creatives, answering emails, keeping up on new programs etc) they wouldnt need to pay someone $500 a day ($180k a year). For $40-$60k they could find someone more than qualified, especially if they didnt require in house.

But if the OP has been able to carve out a niche doing this for that amount of $$, more power to you. :thumbsup

Sent you an email can do $47 per sign bi-weekly on invite only interracial program. Tracking through epoch.

Good luck with the whale brokering. let us know who you pick and how it goes in a month or so.:thumbsup

guys what the hell is the problem?
i do the same numbers as forest...i spend the whole day dealing with sponsor programs and reps etc...sifting through the bullshit...its never ending

meanwhile the people i represent focus on making sales...and only have to come to one place for all the answers.


forest if you find any good programs i hope you share..lol

What niche would these "additional traffic sources" be?

Forest, chk mail. :)

Hey Forest, got somebody contacting you. How about a brokerage referral fee? :)

if my guy goes with them and they convert ill send you a flat referal fee for sure

make sure they said u sent them