So you aren't even an American? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Some of them are quite talented with crayons.

So after all of those posts dealing with "deem pass", you are only now trying to tell Vendzilla that this is what's going to happen? You're about 12 hours late.

And I am an American. I've been here for 20 years.

I did read it, it bypass's their vote in the promise they will fix it later, you actually want a bill this big to go thru that they will fix later?
It's one thing to argue a point, but to argue a point just based on your liberal feelings to pass anything that goes that way is pretty stupid.

The way they are planning this is to just not to play by the rules.

And I guess your ok that the sweetheart deals are still in place?

Tell me again how they are going to get 30 million people insured and make the health system cost less, provide jobs and cut the deficit?

"It's more insider and process-oriented than most people want to know," the speaker said in a roundtable discussion with bloggers Monday. "But I like it," she said, "because people don't have to vote on the Senate bill."

I think Kane is the only liberal(I think he's a liberal) on this forum who has any kind of common sense. He's the only guy who's offered valid arguments NOT based on emotion or ignorance. Perhaps you queers want to let him do all the typing?

No one will have probably replied to your post. They'll likely overlook yours and find something in someone else's to debate instead because it's easier. They won't know how to respond until the "right" answer is given to them because they've seen it on TV or their parties (whichever party) talking heads told them what to think.

Absolutely, let me go turn on MSNBC and CNN and I'll tell you what they, I mean I think.

Also, I don't think you have any understanding of the difference between medicaid/medicare, and a single paying health system for everybody else. Then again, I don't expect you to. I expect you and the rest of your insecure friends to tell each other that you're smart because you purposely don't go with the "sheeple".

Vendzilla and The Demon are just Googling to find the right answers.

OK, fine. the government runs the VA, I've been a patient years ago, wasn't fun

This is different from anything they have tried before, they are trying to take over 1/6 of the US economy and when you hear that Obama was off by 1.2 TRILLION dollars on the budget, do you really want the government to run healthcare?

Translation: I'm a bumbling idiot who has no knowledge of this topic nor do I have anything valuable to contribute, so I'm going to make something up and hope people recognize me as being hilarious/intelligent/not a tool/etc.

:2 cents:

I rest my case:)

The deals aren't going to be in place because they are doing away with them in the reconciliation bill... to be honest I didn't hear anything about Deem and Pass until you brought it up but with a little searching I discovered that it isn't what the right is saying it is... go figure.

Read this: http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-cha...job-explaining

The government is not taking over healthcare... why do you keep saying that?

Not sure how this is different than what I thought it was but um ok..

Notice how you're not saying anything negative about how Pelosi is describing it. How silly of me to think there could be an objective Democrat! Lol

Since you claim to know more about the bill than the rest of us, please explain what the government intends to do with the current bill. I'll wait.

What, you don't check sources?

What sources? The buffoon can't do anything other than posting pictures.

You do you think that 2700 pages is about?

They are going to impose government rules and regualtions on every aspect of the heathcare system. The system isn't broken, just the insurance for it is

Yeah... because regulation is the devil... :error

Reagan and Bush deregulated the financial industry... look what happened.

Thank you(I don't know how to do a rosey cheeks face). I rather enjoy being a dickwad, and right.

16 million additional jobs. The dot com bubble, economic prosperity. Anything else? Of course Clinton removed loan caps from banks and incidentally caused the subprime mortgage/financial crisis. But that's if we really nit pick and since I'm objective, I like Clinton.

More government has never worked for this country. Stop pretending it will this time.

try reading this, http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...031501648.html

You're changing the subject

Try talking the a doctor and ask him or her what they think, then report back to us

I've talked to 3-4 doctors that I know. They all say the same thing. "I feel bad for the patients."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_1...76-503544.html


Woohoo Obama.

Thanks for playing but I am going to go eat supper now.

No problem, thanks for getting spanked.

yeah... ok... you can keep on thinking you "spanked" me... whatever. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Only one way to stop the dumbing down of any nation. Pull the plug on the idiot tube.

One thing I like about the American deficit debate, is that it never cross their mind TO RAISE TAXES so can pay for what they spend.

That about sums it up

Yah know?.
I was ok when Obama was elected. I was proud that America had elected a black man as president, even though I didn?t agree with his politics. Now I can?t wait for this nightmare to be over!

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Thanks for the post, the TeaBaggers have valid points!

America's largest and most powerful doctors group has endorsed Barack Obama's massive overhaul of the US healthcare system, removing a substantial hurdle to legislation that Democrats hope will extend health coverage to most of the estimated 46 million Americans who currently lack it....

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009...an-ama-support

You talked to the group?
I said a doctor. Next you're going to tell me that everyone thats had a union card is a democrat

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_and_Ethel_Rosenberg

http://ootp.files.wordpress.com/2008..._rosenberg.png

If Socialism promised death camps for the likes of the demon and the rest of his tea bagging buddies, I would change my frigging name to Stalin. But alas there is no left wing in America. These coffeeshop hipster Mac loving pussies masquerading as the "left" should all be shot immediately after the gassing of every teabagger.

I'm against any more socialism. Governments are inherently inefficient and corrupt. Why would you give any more money to people who either waste it, lose it, or steal it? The government should be in charge of a few basic services like roads, parks, and defense and thats about it. I already pay more than 50% of my money in income tax, sales tax, alcohol tax, gas tax, B&O tax, tariffs and more. Pretty much the only thing the government is giving me back is a road to drive to work on.

The horrible truth is that most of the Washington politicians have been bought and paid for.

The debates and newscasts putting each side down are just theatre for the masses....ala WWF.

The corporations "own" both sides of the argument:

If heathcare passes, be sure the corporations will not be hurt and have a say in the regulations and appointment of any regulators.

If heathcare doesn't pass, be sure the corporations are satified with the "status quo."

Fight among yourselves.....then, go back to sleep:disgust

Indeed :)

Best reply yet. No liberal or neo-con can say shit to that. There's no reason to be in Germany, France, etc.. let alone Iraq. We have thousands of kids stationed everywhere protecting us from some unnecessary evil.

Of course we can argue with that. It's a best reply when you have the IQ of a doorknob. It's a recycled, debunked appeal to emotion, as any liberal argument. So what happens when I tell you that the war in Iraq is wrong and we shouldn't spend money on it. What's your response? This should be interesting.

Once again, protectionism is a joke. It's unpopular and highly illogical.

http://www.qando.net/?p=4660

http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/sec...t-of-medicine/

http://freedomeden.blogspot.com/2009...obamacare.html

And look, their dates are all more recent! Owned

Also:

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/pol...icleid=1240176
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100317/...aul_fact_check

I with you on the troops, the whole thing is a joke, USSR tried to take over that country and they didn't have to play nice, we do, so what makes us think we are any better.

But our medical system is the best in the world, it's the cost that needs work

Saying that over and over does not make it true. The US is ranked NUMBER 37th in the world for healthcare - NOT number 1 at all, but instead, very far from it!

Wait, I'm mistaken, we are number one... in COST!

1. 300 million Americans
2. Medical Malpractice suits

Doesn't take away from the quality of the health care.