Did you not read what I just posted? Or even before? Or are you typing just to waste bandwidth?

The filibuster wasn't introduced by the founding fathers. It doesn't take 60 votes to pass a bill... it takes 60 votes to overcome a filibuster. The only thing that is happening is that the GOP can't filibuster a reconciliation bill.

I'm pretty sure we're not even talking about reconciliation anymore, but "deem and pass."

Once the government takes over the Healthcare system, you think they'll give it back?
Democrat or republican, taking over the healthcare system in this country is wrong

Obama stated he wanted to take out the sweetheart deals, guess what folks, they are still there

Guess you havn't been paying attention, they are talking about doing it without a vote

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...031503742.html

I don't think the founding fathers would approve of that, I know I don't

Noone is proposing taking over the healthcare system except the idiots that keep saying that health care reform is taking over the health care system... just like there aren't any death panels except for the ones that the insurance companies have that decide whether or not they want to pay for some life saving procedure or not.

It really is a travesty. And if it was the Republicans doing it, I'd feel the same way, as would most objective people.

as someone living in an ex-socialist country I can clearly say that you (and most others) have no idea what socialism means :2 cents:

I'm so glad I've outlined what I thought socialism was, thanks for your input. I'll file it under "bullshit." Btw, I come from a communist country, not that you're intelligent enough to know the difference.

Maybe you should read more and comment less. There WOULD be a vote... on whether or not the House agrees with the contents of the senate bill and deem the bill as passed without amendment. If the house doesn't amend the Senate Bill... there is no reason to have a direct vote... they can just call a rule vote (deem and pass rule).

So you aren't even an American? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Some of them are quite talented with crayons.

So after all of those posts dealing with "deem pass", you are only now trying to tell Vendzilla that this is what's going to happen? You're about 12 hours late.

And I am an American. I've been here for 20 years.

I did read it, it bypass's their vote in the promise they will fix it later, you actually want a bill this big to go thru that they will fix later?
It's one thing to argue a point, but to argue a point just based on your liberal feelings to pass anything that goes that way is pretty stupid.

The way they are planning this is to just not to play by the rules.

And I guess your ok that the sweetheart deals are still in place?

Tell me again how they are going to get 30 million people insured and make the health system cost less, provide jobs and cut the deficit?

"It's more insider and process-oriented than most people want to know," the speaker said in a roundtable discussion with bloggers Monday. "But I like it," she said, "because people don't have to vote on the Senate bill."

I think Kane is the only liberal(I think he's a liberal) on this forum who has any kind of common sense. He's the only guy who's offered valid arguments NOT based on emotion or ignorance. Perhaps you queers want to let him do all the typing?

No one will have probably replied to your post. They'll likely overlook yours and find something in someone else's to debate instead because it's easier. They won't know how to respond until the "right" answer is given to them because they've seen it on TV or their parties (whichever party) talking heads told them what to think.

Absolutely, let me go turn on MSNBC and CNN and I'll tell you what they, I mean I think.

Also, I don't think you have any understanding of the difference between medicaid/medicare, and a single paying health system for everybody else. Then again, I don't expect you to. I expect you and the rest of your insecure friends to tell each other that you're smart because you purposely don't go with the "sheeple".

Vendzilla and The Demon are just Googling to find the right answers.

OK, fine. the government runs the VA, I've been a patient years ago, wasn't fun

This is different from anything they have tried before, they are trying to take over 1/6 of the US economy and when you hear that Obama was off by 1.2 TRILLION dollars on the budget, do you really want the government to run healthcare?

Translation: I'm a bumbling idiot who has no knowledge of this topic nor do I have anything valuable to contribute, so I'm going to make something up and hope people recognize me as being hilarious/intelligent/not a tool/etc.

:2 cents:

I rest my case:)

The deals aren't going to be in place because they are doing away with them in the reconciliation bill... to be honest I didn't hear anything about Deem and Pass until you brought it up but with a little searching I discovered that it isn't what the right is saying it is... go figure.

Read this: http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-cha...job-explaining

The government is not taking over healthcare... why do you keep saying that?

Not sure how this is different than what I thought it was but um ok..

Notice how you're not saying anything negative about how Pelosi is describing it. How silly of me to think there could be an objective Democrat! Lol

Since you claim to know more about the bill than the rest of us, please explain what the government intends to do with the current bill. I'll wait.

What, you don't check sources?

What sources? The buffoon can't do anything other than posting pictures.

You do you think that 2700 pages is about?

They are going to impose government rules and regualtions on every aspect of the heathcare system. The system isn't broken, just the insurance for it is

Yeah... because regulation is the devil... :error

Reagan and Bush deregulated the financial industry... look what happened.

Thank you(I don't know how to do a rosey cheeks face). I rather enjoy being a dickwad, and right.

16 million additional jobs. The dot com bubble, economic prosperity. Anything else? Of course Clinton removed loan caps from banks and incidentally caused the subprime mortgage/financial crisis. But that's if we really nit pick and since I'm objective, I like Clinton.

More government has never worked for this country. Stop pretending it will this time.

try reading this, http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...031501648.html

You're changing the subject

Try talking the a doctor and ask him or her what they think, then report back to us

I've talked to 3-4 doctors that I know. They all say the same thing. "I feel bad for the patients."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_1...76-503544.html


Woohoo Obama.

Thanks for playing but I am going to go eat supper now.

No problem, thanks for getting spanked.