yeah... ok... you can keep on thinking you "spanked" me... whatever. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Only one way to stop the dumbing down of any nation. Pull the plug on the idiot tube.

One thing I like about the American deficit debate, is that it never cross their mind TO RAISE TAXES so can pay for what they spend.

That about sums it up

Yah know?.
I was ok when Obama was elected. I was proud that America had elected a black man as president, even though I didn?t agree with his politics. Now I can?t wait for this nightmare to be over!

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Thanks for the post, the TeaBaggers have valid points!

America's largest and most powerful doctors group has endorsed Barack Obama's massive overhaul of the US healthcare system, removing a substantial hurdle to legislation that Democrats hope will extend health coverage to most of the estimated 46 million Americans who currently lack it....

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009...an-ama-support

You talked to the group?
I said a doctor. Next you're going to tell me that everyone thats had a union card is a democrat

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_and_Ethel_Rosenberg

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If Socialism promised death camps for the likes of the demon and the rest of his tea bagging buddies, I would change my frigging name to Stalin. But alas there is no left wing in America. These coffeeshop hipster Mac loving pussies masquerading as the "left" should all be shot immediately after the gassing of every teabagger.

I'm against any more socialism. Governments are inherently inefficient and corrupt. Why would you give any more money to people who either waste it, lose it, or steal it? The government should be in charge of a few basic services like roads, parks, and defense and thats about it. I already pay more than 50% of my money in income tax, sales tax, alcohol tax, gas tax, B&O tax, tariffs and more. Pretty much the only thing the government is giving me back is a road to drive to work on.

The horrible truth is that most of the Washington politicians have been bought and paid for.

The debates and newscasts putting each side down are just theatre for the masses....ala WWF.

The corporations "own" both sides of the argument:

If heathcare passes, be sure the corporations will not be hurt and have a say in the regulations and appointment of any regulators.

If heathcare doesn't pass, be sure the corporations are satified with the "status quo."

Fight among yourselves.....then, go back to sleep:disgust

Indeed :)

Best reply yet. No liberal or neo-con can say shit to that. There's no reason to be in Germany, France, etc.. let alone Iraq. We have thousands of kids stationed everywhere protecting us from some unnecessary evil.

Of course we can argue with that. It's a best reply when you have the IQ of a doorknob. It's a recycled, debunked appeal to emotion, as any liberal argument. So what happens when I tell you that the war in Iraq is wrong and we shouldn't spend money on it. What's your response? This should be interesting.

Once again, protectionism is a joke. It's unpopular and highly illogical.

http://www.qando.net/?p=4660

http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/sec...t-of-medicine/

http://freedomeden.blogspot.com/2009...obamacare.html

And look, their dates are all more recent! Owned

Also:

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/pol...icleid=1240176
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100317/...aul_fact_check

I with you on the troops, the whole thing is a joke, USSR tried to take over that country and they didn't have to play nice, we do, so what makes us think we are any better.

But our medical system is the best in the world, it's the cost that needs work

Saying that over and over does not make it true. The US is ranked NUMBER 37th in the world for healthcare - NOT number 1 at all, but instead, very far from it!

Wait, I'm mistaken, we are number one... in COST!

1. 300 million Americans
2. Medical Malpractice suits

Doesn't take away from the quality of the health care.

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Happy St. Patrick's Day

like with anything else in life time will tell

Of course you can argue with anything, because your entire point is just obstructing and denying in every thread or discussion group you enter. When will you rise up against your cruel masters who abuse you so?

BTW: nobody thinks our medical SYSTEM is the best in the world. They think we have some of the best DOCTORS in the world. It's only easily confusable when you've been misled so long and dont check it for yourself.

Simpler way to think of it. Do you think heads of other countries fly here when deeply injured/sick to go through our SYSTEM? Or to visit our DOCTORS?

Well there ya go. One is not the other.

You seem to like pointing out that all liberal arguments are flooded with emotion, yet you like taking personal shots at anyone that does not agree with you. Why so much anger? Do I see the Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity surfacing?



My first response is you're a bit too fucking late; I can just imagine your talking points prior to the invasion and even in the months that followed. My second response is you were deliberately lied to by the party you defend so blindly, yet you still believe in all their bullshit.

Malpractice costs only make up roughly 2% of the cost of healthcare... thanks for repeating another talking point though.

OH definitely. I was waiting on the "you hate Obama" but a close second would be a reference to one of the right wing nuts.

Notice how the only "liberal" person offering valid arguments is Kane, and I don't say anything about him. I take a shot at anyone who can't back up his bullshit, which is pretty much all of you :)




I could say that you defend your party blindly and just sound as ignorant as you.
All of these liberal arguments are pretty much scripted with the same predictable shots.
I didn't hear you cry over the Democrats who supported the war in Iraq.I definitely supported the war in the beginning when I thought we were going in with a valid purpose. I'm going to assume the rest of your posts are going to include this same scripted bullshit I expect from the other morons. Try adding something with substance and I'll take you seriously.

Even the president admitted that Tort reform was needed, let me know when you catch up

http://www.nber.org/aginghealth/fall04/w10709.html
http://cherryhill.injuryboard.com/me...oogleid=267234

He won't. He needs to know what he's talking about first.

I didn't say it wasn't needed... I said it only makes up about 2% of costs... what part of that didn't you understand? They rail about addressing Medicare fraud which accounts for a much larger percentage... but keep bitching about tort reform.

Republicans are hypocrites on this issue and will bitch and moan if dems actually try to address their concern... why do I say that? Because in order for the federal government to address tort reform they will have to fuck with state laws on the subject... next thing you know there will be an uprising over fucking with states rights. Give me a fucking break.

The irony of this statement is priceless.

Also
http://makethemaccountable.com/myth/...eInsurance.htm

Uhh... Vendzilla said "tort reform"... not malpractice insurance reform... I would support that.

Where did I mention tort reform dipshit?

Uhh... I already corrected before you posted... thx.

Hmmm. Alrighty then my apologies.

Uhhhhhh..... not to put too fine a point on it, but the AMA only represents about 16% of doctors in the US.



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Tort reform is needed more than you think, it's the driving force in the rising cost of simple doctor visits, they have to run every test there is when one or two is all thats needed to keep from being sued. It would lower malpractice insurance. The cost is a lot more than 2%. I talked to a couple doctors, they all said the same thing.

I think anyone that defrauds the medicare system should be deported
Here you go again, I'm a registered independent, I vote based on merit, not party
Why not go after tort reform in every state, I mean they want to regulate everything else in the states for healthcare? So start with Tort reform. If they have such a great plan, then act on it a little at a time and prove it. Im in no hurry and I'm worried about the impact on our economy which is still pretty fucked up

No it isn't. Lawsuits are not a driving force in healthcare at all. You're quite simply misinformed.

I'm not sure if he knows this.

You must have skipped over The Demon's post >> http://makethemaccountable.com/myth/...eInsurance.htm

Doctors run every test so that they can bill for it, period... you can keep buying into that lie if you want. My mother has been a nurse for 38 years and my sister is a PA... they both told me that they are specifically instructed to run as many tests as the patient allows so that they can bill for it. Tort costs are a much smaller "driving force" than student loan costs for doctors. The average doctor owes $300-400K when they finish school. The government charges 8.5% average interest on those loans and the typical student loan company charges 15%+. When you add loan payments + malpractice insurance premiums + continuing education, etc, etc... this is the driving force behind cost at the doctors office... not tort claims.