Wonderful argument based on sound premises and concrete facts!

If you don't think that Lawsuits drive pricing, deletion of services offered, patient selection and screening, etc.... You should try speaking with:
Doctors,
Hospital Adminstrators,
Clinic owners
Pharmicutical execs


Because of my wifes work, and the fact that she is in the process of opening her own practice, I do.

You might want to try it.... you may find it very enlightening.


:2 cents:

I'm just tired of these concrete blocks acting like children and spouting things they know nothing about as if they were facts. As suspected, they dont deal with it well when you do it back to them. Carry on now with your back and forth.

Again, one hell of an ironic statement. Except your credibility is less than zero considering you're doing the same thing without providing any facts, while others are providing facts AND arguments. Move along, troll.

Awww damnit dude you provided facts. The liberals aren't going to like this.

^^^^

Uhh... could you point out the FACTS that you quoted sperbonzo as providing? I don't see anything but a couple of statements.

Yes, for you see I base my life on whether or not The Demon thinks I'm credible. I dont have anything to prove to you.

I am on to your game as you well know. Now get back to obstructing every argument and make sure you throw in personal attacks just to distract. It's proven to work.

On to my game? Ahahahahahaha are you drunk or just plain stupid? You don't provide anything other than being a laughable troll. Carry on:)

*burp* oops, I burped.

Which part? The fact that his wife works in the industry and that he would have a better grasp on the issue than you? Or the fact that the AMA represents only 16% of the doctors in the US?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America...al_Association

please give me one example of one program the government has run well....none of them...ding ding ding. that being the case why would anyone support government run health care?????????????????? if they wanted too change things...they could have easily passed tort reform and held the insurers accountable for raping the public with 400% profit margins. the dems control the house and senate so they could have easily accomplished these things, which would have made a huge impact on the cost of health care....but no they want to control everything that's what it's all about control. obama doubled our debt that took 200 years to amass in 100 days...yes the anointed one is destroying the dollar, we are about to lose our AAA status, it's only gonna get worse during the rest of his term...that is if the usa out lives his 4 year plan to destroy it

The issue isn't government, the issue is too much government.

I just posted above that my mother and sister are also in the industry... my mother has been an RN for 38 years and my sister is a Physicians Assistant... which is almost a doctor as far as office visits go.


Nice redirect... that wasn't in your quote.

I talked to doctors, who did you ask, witch doctors?

What the hell? This is why I asked "which part"?

As you can see, he DID state that and I DID respond to that. So much for "redirection". Learn to read.

made-up-shit (statements) = facts ( proven ) in the republican tought process...

Like Himmler said : repeat a lie over and over again till it is perceived as a truth ...( propaganda minister ..).
Worked for Bush ....

Meanwhile, let's hope that some here get a lung cancer or similar ... just can't wait ..

Hey, here's a thought. When the republicans held the white house, the senate, and the congress, they didnt pass tort reform. They didnt do anything for healthcare problems. They didnt even keep the VA hospitals painted right around the corner from the white house. Wow. Too bad nobody ever thought of these things when they had the chance.

Hey demotards, What about this provision in your senate bill. The govt can NOT force me to buy insurance and I will NEVER pay any fine. They can come and try and force me to pay but they will be met with great amounts of lead and things that go boom.

SEC. 5000A. REQUIREMENT TO MAINTAIN MINIMUM ESSENTIAL COVERAGE.

Requirement To Maintain Minimum Essential Coverage- An applicable individual shall for each month beginning after 2013 ensure that the individual, and any dependent of the individual who is an applicable individual, is covered under minimum essential coverage for such month.


(1) IN GENERAL- If an applicable individual fails to meet the requirement of subsection (a) for 1 or more months during any calendar year beginning after 2013, then, except as provided in subsection (d), there is hereby imposed a penalty with respect to the individual in the amount determined under subsection (c)

(c) Amount of Penalty-

(1) IN GENERAL- The penalty determined under this subsection for any month with respect to any individual is an amount equal to 1/12 of the applicable dollar amount for the calendar year.

(2) DOLLAR LIMITATION- The amount of the penalty imposed by this section on any taxpayer for any taxable year with respect to all individuals for whom the taxpayer is liable under subsection (b)(3) shall not exceed an amount equal to 300 percent the applicable dollar amount (determined without regard to paragraph (3)(C)) for the calendar year with or within which the taxable year ends.

Owned. Lets see DirectFiesta's stupid ass call this one out. Good luck at this one getting passed anytime soon.

Watch it get passed this week. What is the difference between this and mandating auto insurance coverage? Here in NC as soon as you let your coverage lapse the state automatically expires your plates... even if you were just late and lapsed a single day.

A lot of doctor's do not accept Medicare and Medicaid. Plus their insurance does not cover a lot of their medications. If you talk to a lot of older people, they are not happy about their insurance. :2 cents:

Are these the same people who paid Sarah Palin $100,000 to read notes written on her hand?

It'll get passed but it's probably the single most self defeating thing i've ever seen a party put in a bill. With the public option or more easily, a medicare buy in pushed through in tandem with the mandate in a simple easy to sell bill from the start it would at least have been palatable.. Nice one guys, ensure no real insurance reform will happen that would threaten the private insurance companies and double-down on the present system by forcing people to buy expensive insurance they don't want.. You couldn't design a better situation to lose votes this side of a pedophilia scandal. I understand doing what the corporate donors want, but electoral suicide shouldn't have been on the bargaining table.

Yes it will most likely get passed through under handed means, but the day it gets signed into law there will be many lawsuit's filed and most likely the supreme court will have to sort it out. It will NEVER become law as it will be struck down as some parts being unconstitutional. In any case, it will be repealed once we get the demotards out in 2010 and once black jesus is gone in 2012. So no worries... just a matter of time...LOL:thumbsup

Makes you think if BFT3K even knows what's in the bill.

The Dems already lost the midterm elections, it's just overkill now.

Did you watch the Fox interview with the President and Bret Baier yesterday? Didn't sound like the President knew what was in the bill

How can you judge that when you have no clue what's in the bill other than what you heard on Fox News? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

... Or health care that isn't run by companies whose bottom line is profit. Yeah that sounds like a system I want to entrust my health to. Like mentioned before, don't believe everything Fox spoon feeds you - think for yourself.

Sunday at noon insurance companies can no longer dump your child from your coverage for "pre existing" conditions. Insurance companies can no longer drop you when you file your first claim. Insurance companies must allow children to be carried until age 26. And numerous other things kick in instantly, or within 90 days.

Such as insurance companies MUST spend at least 80% of YOUR PREMIUMS on YOUR ACTUAL HEALTH CARE COSTS!!!! Gee, imagine that! They also have to justify any premium increases to independant auditors.

Oh and everyone saw how many trillions of dollars the CBO says this plan will SAVE the country, right? Dont have to revisit that? Good.

Health insurance as a cash cow is almost officially dead.

I didn't hear it on Fox news, I saw the interview with the President on Fox News, let me know when you catch up, I know the short bus can only go so fast!:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Hold on now... you have way too many facts in there... The Demon will be confused.

Aw he'll be fine. The sky is always falling somewhere at 420. Or something like that.

I venture he has more of a grasp than you, with your CNN and MSNBC. Although I find it absolutely humorous that you're still bitching about "Fox News", while the Obama interview was live. "BUT THEY CAN STILL SPIN IT!!!" ROFL

I could definitely say the same thing to you. Gotta love the obvious liberal arguments. When someone makes a point you can't counter, "you're brainwashed by fox news!!!" I didn't even know I watch/read fox news..

I am curious how you got to see anything since Bret Baier wouldn't even let him finish answering a question... I have never seen any network treat a sitting president with such disrespect in my life... they didn't even do that to Nixon.

So you guys aren't afraid that when the CBO gives the thumbs up on this, they have 72 hours to go over 2700 pages to understand and then vote on it?

SHEEP

Haha and nation once again proving his "152" IQ is really at best, half of that. I don't think Tom knows what happens to premiums if the preexisting condition clause is removed. Is there any doubt that liberals are among the dumbest people on this planet?

Oh no, Nation claims to have read the bill rofl.

I call bullshit, name one question he answered the way it was asked?
I don't give a shit if he is a president, he came for an interview and didn't answer one question about healthcare