And, the irony of you pulling out me using the strawman argument is quite humorous when this entire thread has been nothing more than your circular reasoning.

Wow, you've just proven that you know absolutely nothing. I can't believe I have to do this..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Constitution


They're called amendments. Some new ones were ratified, some old ones were repealed. You sure you were a pol sci major? Rofl

So, you're saying the Constitution is a founding principle?



Is this a joke?

And the "I like to bullshit using words I don't know" hilarity continues.

Furthermore, even if I WAS using circular reasoning (I wasn't, and you don't know what that is), it still wouldn't be a strawman. Thank you, come again:)

I think I'll stop now, this is too easy.

Irrelevant misdirection. The short answer is no, the long answer is, even if I did, it wouldn't change the validity of the article.

Hey Turbo, I never claimed you used a strawman argument. I claimed you've been using circular reasoning, follow along.


And 0 circular reasoning?

Rofl, I can point out multiple cases on this page alone.

I'll help you.

The Constitution is NOT a founding principle.


A collection of founding principles? Yes. A founding princple? No.



What are you having issues with?

What I infer from that is that you insinuated it:) Otherwise you'd have absolutely no reason to post that other than your stupidity.

And please, I'm having fun with a little kid. So far all I've heard is "I can do this and that." Go ahead.:thumbsup

If your multiple citations of Wikipedia in this thread are not that of to teach and to prove incorrect, then what are they?

Jesus Christ, can you read, or do you want me to hold your hand? The fact that you need to split hairs shows your desperation. I'll try and dumb it down.

The.Constitution.Contains.Founding.Principles.That .Still.Exist.

Uh, to educate the ideology this country was upon? Are you even 18?

What I pointed out is the direct correlation between a straw man argument and circular reasoning.

Of course they still exist.


I never contended that. What I DID contend is that they've been the principles our country was founded upon which is WRONG.

When there is none:)

Alright, now that we've made that clear, it's clear that you didn't know that, "educate" and "teach" are synonyms that have the same definitions.


In short, the answer to your question is, "yes".


That was simple, no? You tried fighting like a little baby about this.

So you don't remember the bullshit you're trying to follow, is that what you're telling me?

Circular reasoning.

HAHAHAHAHA priceless

I don't think even TheDoc or BFT3K try and fail this hard at being intelligent.

That's not called proof. That's called typing out a word and hope that I don't continue calling you out on your bullshit and making you look utterly retarded.

Does this refresh your memory? Seems as though you're the one struggling to remember who said what.

Again, circular reasoning.


You haven't disproved a thing.


What you have done is skirt my asking of you to show me A principle that has been the same the past 200 years. I'm still waiting.

Wait a second, how does this tie into ANYTHING? Oh my, you're definitely lagging now. Posting random nonsense hoping the main point gets jumbled up so you can save face? Listen junior, shouldn't you be at recess? Arguing with your intellectual superiors isn't how I would like to spend my lunch time.

socialism is the greatest place on Earth people run away from to the horrible USA.

Save face? That was your reply to:

Originally Posted by mgtarheels View Post
Are you insinuating you did not reference Wikipedia to both "teach" someone and "prove them wrong" in the same attempt?

Repeating a concept doesn't make it true:)


I don't have to. That would be trying to prove a negative, another fallacy.


And we're back to square one. I told you to read the amendments. There's no issue to skirt because you don't know what you're talking about :)

I understand perfectly. What you're not understanding is that an amendment changes the FOUNDING PRINCIPLES.

You claimed we have had the same principles for 200 years, and I called you out on your bullshit. It's pretty linear.

Actually, this is what you posted
Keep trying mgtarheels, you might get there one day.

You still don't get it. This is a forehead slapper.

There's nothing to get junior, you can't even pinpoint your argument, prefering to bounce from one point to another, hoping your pseudo intellect is somehow validated. You keep failing though.

Any reason you're skipping this?

Circular reasoning.


I've made both arguments very clear.

Hmm, looks like Poli Sci grads know something after all. I've to head out for the day, g'day all.

Again, saying the concept repeatedly doesn't make it so.
You'd have to have an "argument" to make an argument clear.

Yep, you guys know how to throw out concepts you don't understand in order to sound intelligent. You also know how to properly skirt around legitimate arguments, trying to make irrelevant points and just making an ass out of yourself. You were incredibly easy to deal with :)

It's the "never give up" strategy.

http://blog.taesoo.org/wp-content/up...1112025810.jpg

Yea, it doesn't make any bit of sense. Let me know when your GPA surpasses a 2.0.

hahahahahahahahaha

http://www.politico.com/livepulse/03...htm l?showall

This is interesting, I wonder how true that is.

Glad I didn't miss this.


I skirted nothing, I've actually accused you of doing that several replies ago.

I made an ass out of myself, yet you're the one who said that we have the same principles today as we did when this country was founded. LOL.

You even said yourself about the amendments.

Love it.

IMO, very true. Just typical agenda, really.

Doesn't make sense?

Alright, nice and slow.

If something is amended, then it is changed.
If a principle is amended, the principle is changed.

Every founding principle has been amended, therefore every founding principle has been changed.

Thus, leading to us not having the same founding principles for 200 years as you claimed.

Except I've proven that there was nothing to skirt seeing as how you have no concrete point. Try again.

And we do, by which point you decided to give me some bullshit about them not being founding principles because they are amendments, ROFL
Definitely, gotta love the "don't give up" strategy. It usually works when you want to win an argument and your opinion is intellectually superior to you. Keep it up Mgtar:)

Main Entry: amend
Pronunciation: \ə-ˈmend\
Function: verb
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French amender, modification of Latin emendare, from e, ex out + menda fault; akin to Latin mendax lying, mendicus beggar, and perhaps to Sanskrit mindā physical defect
Date: 13th century

transitive verb 1 : to put right; especially : to make emendations in (as a text)
2 a : to change or modify for the better : improve <amend the situation> b : to alter especially in phraseology; especially : to alter formally by modification, deletion, or addition <amend a constitution>







If something has changed, how can it remain the same?

Let's try this again since you seem to understand nothing. Our principles include freedom of speech, limited government, etc. What are the amendments? Wait for it wait for it? Those same principles that we decided to put on paper and make law!! Way to go Mgtar!!! :thumbsup

You know, these are things you should know, as an alleged poli sci major.

Freedom of speech is not cut and dry.

You cuss at me and harass me, I can have you jailed for harassment.

Limited government? We are MUCH more constricted than what we were founded upon. Basic history, c'mon now.

sad. very sad.

Circular reasoning.

How can something stay the same when it's been changed

Ah more irrelevant misdirection in saving face from getting your ass kicked.

I listed it as one of the principles of this country, that was put into an amendment, since you seemed to think that the amendments were changed, due to the definition.

Btw, I love how you completely switch points after I call your bullshit on the concept of "amendments". You're definitely funnier than the other kids I talk to on here.