GoFuckYourself.com - Adult Webmaster Forum

GoFuckYourself.com - Adult Webmaster Forum (https://gfy.com/index.php)
-   Fucking Around & Business Discussion (https://gfy.com/forumdisplay.php?f=26)
-   -   Sue or not to Sue - Will leave it up to GFY. (https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=959106)

2MuchMark 03-18-2010 07:42 PM

Not worth time, money or stress. Unless your lawyer tells you that you will absolutely win (and has done the research to back this up), move on. They money you would spend on this gamble could be used for much better things I'm sure.

pornlaw 03-18-2010 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn (Post 16958747)
Or are there any slam dunk cases where it would not potentially cost so much in attorney fees to hire an attorney like your self and try to win and eventually collect the statutory damages available under the law?

Thanks and to answer your question yes. If content producers would make it a practice of learning how to copyright their pics and videos before posting them - piracy could be more easily fought.

If in the above case had the OP had the copyrights registered before the infringement I would seriously consider taking the case on contingency. And more than likely an expert would not be needed.

I cannot stress how important it is for producers (1) use work for hire agreements when creating content and (2) actually registering their content before publising it.

That makes our work and a content producer's expenses much less...

aniloscash 03-18-2010 08:21 PM

did you submit DMCA to their host? that would have gotten a quick response. If you want to prove a point take them to small claims that way you dont have to spend tons on attorney fees. But if they have more money than you if you take them to court they will counter sue and tie you up for the next 10 years. Thats my prediction. The question is how much did the use of that image really make them?

fatfoo 03-18-2010 08:24 PM

Good luck with the content theft issues, Morphious.

TeenCat 03-18-2010 08:34 PM

do not forget the question in topic ... once you will sue, you will ve suying

Argos88 03-18-2010 09:12 PM

You will lose money, time and energy and gain nothing.

And BTW, in Today's adult internet, it seems that anyone can do whatever he wants, and he won't be punished. The current impunity in the adult business has absolutely "No Limits"...

From sponsors not paying....... to people using content from others..... and "nobody really cares" about anything.

justinsain 03-18-2010 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornlaw (Post 16958502)
Oh, one important point I forgot to mention. If you are filing in the US -you could only reach the gross US profits.

As for mgtarheels comment --good luck finding a lawyer to take this one on contingency. Most copyright litigation cases will require $100,000 or more of attorney time. If the case is worth $300,000 or more - then maybe. But its hard to determine value before any discovery is done. If they didnt have much in the way of sales your attorney may pull out before then end of the case and leave you hanging if you arent paying them.

I read OP's plea and took it as the problem is the offender used the models picture to advertise on their site. So I wouldn't think this was about copyright. I think this is about using someone's likeness without permission.

An example would be if I was selling golf balls and I just took a picture of Tiger woods off the internet and used it to promote my golf balls. The copyright owner might sue me for damages and Tiger would sue me for using his likeness.

I'm sure it's not worth going after the theft of one picture but using someone's likeness without permission for financial gain would seem to be the way to go and a lot easier to prove.

It also seems that a lot of these cases can be settled out of court with the right approach.

DBS.US 03-18-2010 11:21 PM

Question for PornLaw


Single Published Photographs and Published units With one application and filing fee, you can apply to register a single published photograph or an entire unit or package of published photographs?for example, photos in a calendar, a set of baseball cards, or illustrations in a book. You can apply to register these types of photographs using eCO, Form CO, or paper Form VA. See the back side of this form letter for details

http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl107.html

Q: Can "an entire unit" be photos from three month of shooting? Title First quarter 2010

pornlaw 03-18-2010 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DBS.US (Post 16959234)
Question for PornLaw


Single Published Photographs and Published units With one application and filing fee, you can apply to register a single published photograph or an entire unit or package of published photographs?for example, photos in a calendar, a set of baseball cards, or illustrations in a book. You can apply to register these types of photographs using eCO, Form CO, or paper Form VA. See the back side of this form letter for details

http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl107.html

Q: Can "an entire unit" be photos from three month of shooting? Title First quarter 2010

And thats the million dollar question... the US Copyright Office really hasnt caught up to the internet yet and it really depends on - not when the content was shot - rather when it was/will be published. A website is an ongoing work, not a single unit of published material. Therefore its sometimes difficult to figure out.

And if you get it wrong and the registration gets thrown out, so does your case.

Therefore I would copyright whatever the content is - as you publish it. Meaning that if you are going to add 100 pics and 10 videos to your site on 3/31/10 -- file for the registrations on all of that content together.

gideongallery 03-19-2010 01:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 16958133)
Frankly, it is not worth the expenses or going the distance. Just ask Perfect10 who have been trying to sue everyone for years on how successful they have not/been. Especially when it comes to Google, and their 'chillingeffects.org'.

Once they received notice, they removed it per DMCA.

Them admitting it was used in an advertisement, and them intentionally or maliciously admitting to using it are two different things. Especially if it is just rotated their member's images based on click thru's or some shit by their CMS or script.

While they are trying to cite 'user uploaded content' and 'safe harbor' as on their side, I think there is simply too much grey area in this matter, and you are going to spend a lot of money and years of hassle for nothing more than pride.

There was a YouTube case just last year involving some dancing kid and a song playing in the background while the kid was dancing. The record company sued and lost. The video was reposted and legal. I would open up a history book, and bone up on some cases already lost before breaking open your check book to pursue this.

That said, "pride has no place in the courtroom".

:2 cents:


http://www.eff.org/cases/lenz-v-universal

universal ending up paying all her legal fees and it think something like 10k in damages

so sue if you are willing to end up paying the same thing.

considering that you admitted and it was a member that did the uploading and the TOS gave them what they could believe was a valid licience to use the content, it a 50/50 shot at best you would win.

JFK 03-19-2010 01:24 AM

Fitty law suits.......

Pandoras 03-19-2010 03:12 AM

you are about to start a big game , so be careful and good luck

punkpred 03-19-2010 03:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberClaire (Post 16958075)
NO,
I wouldnt even think about it..unless you dont mind spending thousands on something you may or may not win and if you did win the damages im guessing would be small.

Did you lose huge income from it happening ? Did they gain huge income from doing it....if the answer is No forget it.

Just my personal view.

:2 cents:

TarPy 03-19-2010 08:53 AM

Take $25,000 in US Dollars...


100s mostly, but some $20s, $10s, and $5s below to make the pile bigger.

Borrow an HD video cam.

Set it all on fire, make a flash video out of it, tweet the URL...

you'll get more value out of your $25k that way than to try and sue. And $25K is CHEAP for that kind of suit.

Juilan 03-19-2010 01:58 PM

It would be hard proving damages. However Francine Dee is a known public figure with a paysite business in the same market, did you see a impact in your stats... I wish you the best, I know how it feels to see Fake profiles using PHOTO's you shot yourself used by a major dating site and having to go after them, I've been there.

Ladyboy King 03-19-2010 02:37 PM

If you have the money, sue.

Jim_Gunn 03-19-2010 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juilan (Post 16961147)
It would be hard proving damages. However Francine Dee is a known public figure with a paysite business in the same market, did you see a impact in your stats... I wish you the best, I know how it feels to see Fake profiles using PHOTO's you shot yourself used by a major dating site and having to go after them, I've been there.

Did you read Pornlaw's post? If you have previously filed for copyright, the law allows for statutory damages. You don't have to prove actual damages.

Sabby 03-19-2010 06:35 PM

A personal injury lawyer.. that wants a cut may sue the fucker for you. I actually have a few issues debating.

My eldest son's GF's father is a personal injury lawyer and former prosecuter.


Sabby:)

Sabby 03-19-2010 06:47 PM

And i have a weird feeling they are going to get married. So I cant say anything bad.

He let my son drive his Jaguar... with a learners liscence.



Sabby:)

NoWhErE 03-19-2010 06:47 PM

Hire Denny Crane

will76 03-19-2010 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Morphious (Post 16957989)
"If Pepsi uses Madona's song in their advertisements and she finds out about it, You can guarantee that she will get paid for it!" was my comments back to the attorney.


Somehow I doubt you are dealing with a Pepsi type company so I wouldn't worry about what Pepsi would or wouldn't do. (not relevant).

The biggest question of all is, where is this company located?

Sabby 03-19-2010 08:46 PM

nawww the big Q is who wants to plant themselves in your ass..

and how much do I have to pay to lose the hernia?



Sabby:)

Sabby 03-19-2010 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoWhErE (Post 16961808)
Hire Denny Crane


who is danny crane?


Sabby:)

Sabby 03-19-2010 10:43 PM

Call me Serge. do you have my number???


Sabby:)

Juilan 03-21-2010 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn (Post 16961733)
Did you read Pornlaw's post? If you have previously filed for copyright, the law allows for statutory damages. You don't have to prove actual damages.

Statutory damages is calculated per work, I don't know how many "works": we are talking about here. If it's 1 image then thats not a lot of damages/money to recoup. I do believe in fighting the good fight though, don't get me wrong.


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 02:42 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
©2000-, AI Media Network Inc123