nbc.........and that was just where I negotiated my contract.

His usual insult is "low income earner/low information voter", lol. Also, what does your portfolio look like?

When was the last time you were in Vermont? Thanks to Howard Dean, Vermont is 1 of the most expensive states in New England. Every tax possible was raised 2 and 3 times under him. With combined incomes of over 250k, We are in the top tax bracket.

250K is middle class. Sorry, but that ain't rich. No offense, but you could be wiped out in a heart beat if you get sick. I bet 160K puts you in the same tax bracket. Damn...this board can screw up your perspective. What does a million dollars buy you in Vermont?

No offense....and I really really don't mean any...but my point is that this health care bill is what you need. You think you are well off, but you are not if you need serious help. The odds are you will. And all of that wealth that you have acquired could be gone in six months. You should be really happy that you and your kids will not have to worry about going broke. This is not about chest beating, but staying alive and healthy.

The only reason there is any kind of majority is because of the propaganda and outright LIES from the ignorant right wing Jesus thumpers. The majority in question consists mainly of old people who bought into the fucking BULLSHIT being spread by the teabagger rednecks. FUCK THEM ALL.

I LOVE it. The far right works so fucking hard to shove their agenda down out throats and they FAIL EVERY SINGLE TIME.

We now have national healthcare. HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Clearly I don't speak for all Canadians. When I say WE, I mean my friends, family, and the occasional Joe who I may strike up a conversation with. I present my "facts" not as representative of my entire country, just simply as those who I have talked to on the subject.

About a 3000 Sq Ft house along the water south of Burlington with a half acre of land.

What these morons fail to mention is that the majority elected a president who clearly said he would do this....and he did what he was elected...by the majority of Americans...to do. End of story.

I rest my case....cheap as chips. Around here...1.2 million dollars buys you a 1400 square foot condo and a million bucks buys a tear down house. And in London, it buys a 2 bedroom flat that may or may not have parking.

Ah .. no actually you don't. Australia, Canada, UK have national healthcare. What you now is a mandated insurance scheme.

You do realize that money that was "lost" doesn't belong to the govt. It belongs to the people who EARNED it. In my opinion that is one of the problems with the govt.
They see OUR money as theirs and feel free to take it and spend it on wars and military and bailouts of INSURANCE companies and banks.

Income tax is the biggest criminal act in the world. I am barely keeping my head above water because of taxes. And everyday on television I see ads for lawyers and companies helping people out of tax debt.

I don't see a lot of ads for companies and lawyers looking to help people because medical bills have bankrupted them.

I'm 100% positive that people DO get bankrupted by medical costs. But that is because in the United States we pay more than any country in the world for treatment and prescriptions (what a ripoff).

But I would say that MORE people are struggling to pay back taxes. Especially since the economy collapsed so hard so fast.

Anyway, sorry to take it off topic. I was just reading your post and wanted to throw in my two cents that it's not money that "we" "lost". It's money that was kept in the hands of it's rightful owners...the people who earned it.

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^Representative of the liberals ROFL

Shhhh you're confusing the moron.

Here is where you lose the argument. You were fortunate enough to be born with opportunity. You never built the infrastructure...the schools, the roads, the community...that gave you the opportunity to earn that money. You owe something to the country that made it possible for you to achieve the standard of living that you have. Its payback time. You think all of this is free? Think again.

What an idiot. Yes, the poor are poor because they lacked the opportunity. +1 for personal responsibility, jackass.

Bro, my PROPERTY TAXES pay for the schools. The highways were originally built by Pres. Eisenhower because he wanted national roads big enough to move tanks on in case we were invaded. I just moved to Vegas last year. Before that I was in South Carolina where I also paid city and county and state taxes for my "infrastucture".

Also on the subject of highways...we were told 20 years ago that all these taxes on our gasoline that make it so expensive were going to be used for our highways and national infrastructure. Guess what? I think they bought guns and tanks with that and it's all in Iraq and Afghanistan. lol

But all the taxes you ever paid in your life will never pay for the society that has been created and built on the backs and taxes of those who worked hard for it. You only contribute to the maintenance. You got lucky.

Hmm...I do not resent paying taxes and I have never had a problem paying my due taxes. I do not understand why anyone would have a problem keeping their head above water because of taxes. Maybe you can explain and help me to understand?

I should add a qualifier...in that I do not always like what the government spends tax dollars on...but they have their priorities and I may have a different set of priorities...that is why they have elections.

actually I was wondering that myself. I pay taxes and I have never considered it an inconvenience much less a burden that would sink me.

I am a very lucky person indeed. And yes, this country was built on the backs of hard working PEOPLE. Not govt.

And those people that worked so hard and built it into something that can give people opportunity were not shackled by the govt and taxed so hard either. They were free to pursue the American Dream.

In my opinion, if Obama had done this right he would have took the bull by the horns himself. And we would have a REAL healthcare bill that gave everyone in this country HEALTHCARE.

That's something I wouldn't mind my taxes going to.

But instead, he FIRST cut a deal promising the pharmaceutical companies that they can continue ass fucking us. Then he handed the ball to Congress. And they did what came natural. They cut deals with the insurance companies. So now we have a nationally mandated Insurance scam.

We now HAVE to buy health insurance, whether you want to or not. And they are hiring 16,000 new IRS agents to enforce that.

Is this "healthcare reform"?

Seems to me that true reform would be stopping the hospital industry and the pharmaceutical industry from making it so expensive in the U.S. that people can no longer afford to go to the doctor without insurance.

Maybe I'm just a little older than some of you. But to me it seems ridiculous to think that an average person can't just go to the doctor and be able to pay out of pocket. That's what I did for most of my life. That's what my parents and their parents and their parents did. But now? We are ALL getting ass raped by the medical and insurance industry.

It's only health care reform to the desperate and delusional idiots clinging to a losing party.

No. A lifetime of insurance costs more than a lifetime of healthcare. I did the math, determined I could not afford insurance, but I could afford healthcare, admittedly with a struggle, but I could do it. I am not gambling and I don't need some middleman insurance adjuster deciding what medical care I do and do not need.

The math simply does not work with for-profit insurance. It *can't* work because the house has to win. You bet you will get sick and they bet you won't and their business model depends upon the vast majority of their customers being fundamentally cheated.

That's an easy one.
In Sept. of 2008 I moved from S.C. to Las Vegas. I bought a 3/4 million dollar home. I put down $225,000 on it to move in. I paid a little over 20 grand to have two moving trucks bring all my furniture and cars across country. I flew my wife, 2 kids, 3 dogs, and a cat here.

The week we arrived, the economy crashed.

I netted $600,000 in 2008.

In 2009 I netted $275,000

I just now had to cash out my SEP plan to pay off my last quarter of 2008 taxes.
I haven't been able to pay ANY of my 2009 taxes and I still haven't gotten my first quarter of 2010 yet either.

Now does that make sense why so many people are screwed? You have one income, and you see it cut in half. The fact that I was saving my money to make the big move screwed me up because I never in my wildest dreams thought the economy would crash this hard.

But if you guys don't see that happening here...then I would suggest you go to any American city and turn on the televison and you will see commercial after commercial for companies that offer their services to help people to get out of tax debt by cutting deals with the govt. to pay pennies on the dollar.

I'm not doing that by the way. I WILL work through this. It's gonna take a little while. But I'm doing better than anybody else I know. Even with having my income cut in half. So I'm not crying about it. I'm just saying that having the govt. just TAKE the money that people earn is bullshit.

I'm glad you guys enjoy paying taxes. I don't. lol

Robbie, I agree that heavy taxation is unconstitutional. But taxation in this country is definitely needed. However, if our economy was actually prospering, we could afford a flat tax.

Agreed. It totally pisses me off when they claim to speak for me.

These people have been slandering this president mercilessly, calling him everything from a Nazi to a Muslim to a Communist. But he has accomplished more in one year than most of his predecessors did in their entire administrations. Clinton failed to deliver on health Care Reform and remember Bush and Social Security. Neither of those presidents had near the opposition that Obama had.

I just want someone, anyone to show me where in the US Constitution that I have an obligation to pay for other peoples healthcare or that I MUST buy health insurance...

The fed govt has no authority to make me buy health insurance.

Why do you keep coming here? All you ever do is insult people. You are a fucking idiot!

Are you aware that when JFK became President the tax rate on the wealthy was 92% and now it is what...38%?

:waaaaahh:waaaaahh:waaaaahh:waaaaahh:waaaaahh CRY! :1orglaugh

Uhm, what Robbie said. Instead of having a polarized discussion of what the most extremist right wing folks or most extremist left wing folks have to say on a bad day . . . what about the issue? If the economy is devastated and I get mandatory health insurance tacked onto my personal expenses, how is that helpful or any kind of government accomplishment?

Hey moron or demotard,

1. black jesus still has to sign the bill.
2. The senate must still reconcile the bill. The 2 bills do not match and they MUST match.
3. Have a look at this.. http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/201...xits-bill.html

Your doing good, keep hitting the crack pipe...or shall I say "sucking the govt dick"..

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! :321GFY

The Supreme Court is the determiner of what laws are constitutional and what laws are not. There is not any doubt in my mind that parts of the health care bill will work its way through the courts up to the Supreme Court. It is they and not the Executive or the Congress...and certainly not the individual...that will determine what you are required to do by law.

You are the one that thinks life is free. If someone can't pay for insurance, the rest of us should pay for it. I pay for my own insurance, and I would never want nor expect the government to pay for it. You keep telling everyone that doesn't want to pay for this bill that they must not be making money. In reality most of us do make money in porn, we just don't want to pay for deadbeat idiots like you. :2 cents::thumbsup

The most messed up thing about this is that I would see setting up more urgent care (in place of emergency room or skipping the doctor) clinics as healthcare reform. Then people could talk about whether helping others was legit, but this is not that really. Forcing me to buy insurance I decided I could not afford is just an insurance industry bailout to go with AIG's sugar daddy deal. Forcing others to help pay to insure lower income people (rather than the more economical option of caring for them) is just more robbery without philanthropy.

They do not have the authority. That is why 36 states plan to fight this. It violates the Tenth Amendment.


"The Tenth Amendment restates the Constitution's principle of federalism by providing that powers not granted to the national government nor prohibited to the states by the constitution of the United States are reserved to the states or the people"

NO,I said I can't wait to start paying for the new health care bill. I already know that I will be paying for the war. Don' t blend the two together.

I don't know why anyone argues politics on this board. Biggest waste of time in history. You all think you are so right. It's like a bunch of Rush and Michael Moore's on here. Idiot extremist from both parties that think their party can do no wrong and the other party is wrong all the time.

I can't stand republicans and democrats. both are morons. I just get left having to pay for both of their bullshit. Their bull shit wars, and their bullshit lets tax the successful rich people to death because the poor should have everything for free. fuck you both.

Now the the civilization destroyers in power in this country will give amnesty to over 10 million illegal aliens. Our taxes will go to pay for their health care:thumbsup

Congrats on ruining this once great country. Its really over now.

Your insurance premiums already have paid and do pay for the health care of every poor person, citizen or not. Now you'll have accountability and no more raised rates without justification.

People will come around to this EXACTLY like they came around with SS and with Medicare. Think long term.

I'm not sure what the cure is for delusion Tom. I would ask a doctor, but most of them are getting out of the business :)