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NiteRain 03-22-2010 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by CaroMark (Post 16968016)
Sorry but the government didn't need to be in the medical business.

I have also been let down by the actions of all the various parties, they all have their hands out and the votes are for sale.

They have always been in the medical business. If your state has public hospitals. What do you think happens when a person can't pay their bill?

DaddyHalbucks 03-22-2010 08:42 PM

Every Republican voted against the government healthcare takeover disaster. I'd say that is reason to be very proud.

The Demon 03-22-2010 08:47 PM

Yup. We are united while democrats aren't.

BFT3K 03-22-2010 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks (Post 16969109)
Every Republican voted against the government healthcare takeover disaster. I'd say that is reason to be very proud.

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psili 03-22-2010 09:09 PM

Political discussions, like Religion = troll bait.
"The Demon" = hook, line and sinker without sustenance posts. Kind of like fatfoo.
What political party you vote for = worthless.

The Internet being a place for a bunch of people to complain about shit ++

kane 03-22-2010 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 16968995)
Yes, and that reason is that as we slowly moved away from 9/11, the threat became less and less grave, which makes the decision logical.

I disagree. There were court challenges to the patriot act from the day it was signed into law. It just took years to get through the court system before they were finally struck down. It had nothing to do with moving away from 9/11 and everything to do with a conservative court finding them to be illegal and/or unconstitutional.

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From skimming over the article, she was selling sex toys at parties, correct? I would agree with what they did if she was out on the front lawn advertising sex toys, because that would be disturbing. Free speech is NOT absolute and that's where I would draw the line.
Correct she was holding parties in her home or other's homes. It is kind of like Tupperware and Avon parties, only they sell dildos and sex gel :)

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Not necessarily, but I can say with reasonable certainty that that's what the founding fathers had in mind also. We don't need to go into a discussion on whether or not they would have ever approved same sex marriages, we know where that will end.
Correct, there is no reasonable way to discuss what the founding fathers would or would not have wanted or how they would react to today's world. We can only guess. I am almost always for not changing the constitution especially if it is to deny a certain group access to something.



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Historically though, what party was mostly responsible?
Both. Both parties increase spending pretty equally. If you look at that link I showed you earlier you can see that they all increase spending. It looks to me like no party is worse than the other. You can make the argument that Obama has trumped them all, but up until he took office, both parties spent money like a drunk Kennedy at a strip club.

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So we're in agreement that free speech isn't absolute:) Why would freedom of privacy be?
There is a difference. My freedom of speech can have an adverse effect on other people. My freedom of privacy doesn't.


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Utah is psychotic.
Should they not be allowed to be psychotic if that is how the people that live there want it?


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I've mentioned many of them. Limited goverment, especially in economic affairs, while an expansion of the private sector. I'm a fiscal conservative as well. I was perfectly happy that Reagan really popularized supply side economics in this country, before the moronic Keynesians took over. Rich companies will breed corruption so they should be allowed to fail, and not be bailed out. I support the separation of church and state, while I'm a religious person. I hate unions and blame them largely for the United States increasing their outsourcing over the decades. Any more you'd like to hear?
Yet some of these things, as I have pointed out, are only ideals of the republican party. Their actions show that they are not really carrying out these ideals. If I was part of a group that said they were going to do something and they did just the opposite or they didn't do anything, I would most likely stop being a member of that group.

I guess you feel that you have enough in common with them that you want to affiliate yourself with them. I have the words of Johnny Rotten echoing in my head, " Ever get the feeling you've been cheated? Good night! "

trevesty 03-22-2010 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 16967723)
Proud to be a fan of Ron Paul and Peter Schiff. However, many of my views(those of the founding fathers), coincide with the Republicans, which makes me for the most part, Republican, and fiscal conservative.

I'm also a big fan of Ron Paul & Schiff, but I don't find myself being very aligned with many Republicans.. founding fathers? yes.. especially Franklin, Washington, and Jefferson. All of the social conservatism on both sides drives me absolutely insane.

The Demon 03-22-2010 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 16969166)
I disagree. There were court challenges to the patriot act from the day it was signed into law. It just took years to get through the court system before they were finally struck down. It had nothing to do with moving away from 9/11 and everything to do with a conservative court finding them to be illegal and/or unconstitutional.

Then we're going to have to agree to disagree, as I don't think there is much evidence in that theory, nor in mine.

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Correct she was holding parties in her home or other's homes. It is kind of like Tupperware and Avon parties, only they sell dildos and sex gel :)
So as long as she didn't take her nasty habit outside, it should have been ok.


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Correct, there is no reasonable way to discuss what the founding fathers would or would not have wanted or how they would react to today's world. We can only guess. I am almost always for not changing the constitution especially if it is to deny a certain group access to something.
I'd really calling it "amending", rather than changing. And no, my point is, I can almost guarantee that the founding fathers meant one man and one woman, as opposed to anything same sex related.


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Both. Both parties increase spending pretty equally. If you look at that link I showed you earlier you can see that they all increase spending. It looks to me like no party is worse than the other. You can make the argument that Obama has trumped them all, but up until he took office, both parties spent money like a drunk Kennedy at a strip club.
I suppose, but we'd have to look at their contexts. For instance, I'm fully behind Reagan's defense spending as it was necessary. I'm against FDR's spending as I thought it prolonged the depression.


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There is a difference. My freedom of speech can have an adverse effect on other people. My freedom of privacy doesn't.
That's one way to look at it. The other way is, if our country does catch people plotting within our borders. I'm not willing to take the chance of one fuck up from those radical fundamentalists.

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Should they not be allowed to be psychotic if that is how the people that live there want it?
I think there are limits. Then again, I really dislike the idea of "Oh I don't care what they do as long as it doesn't affect me." It's a protectionist attitude.

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Yet some of these things, as I have pointed out, are only ideals of the republican party. Their actions show that they are not really carrying out these ideals. If I was part of a group that said they were going to do something and they did just the opposite or they didn't do anything, I would most likely stop being a member of that group.
On the other hand, they ARE those party ideals and at some point in time they had followed some of those ideals, which are my ideals. Therefore, I'm comfortable labeling myself as a Republican, but not as comfortable as I was during Bush's first years and I'm waiting to see how the November elections turn out. If something good comes out of them and the Republicans do something, great. If not, I might switch to Independent.

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I guess you feel that you have enough in common with them that you want to affiliate yourself with them. I have the words of Johnny Rotten echoing in my head, " Ever get the feeling you've been cheated? Good night! "
It's like having a friend who sometimes is very flaky. If our similarities are such that his friendship is worth more than not having it, then I'd have to excuse his behavior and hope he betters himself.

slapass 03-23-2010 05:02 AM

Republicans have not proved fiscally responsible in there last several terms in office. Simple reason is wars are expensive. Reagan, Bush and Bush fought wars and Clinton did not. It even goes back several more presidents then that if you look at the stats.

Reagan tried to bankrupt America. He increased spending and decreased taxes. The late 80's were a mess with an entire banking arm driven out of business (S and L's). Top 5? Try bottom 5.

The Demon 03-23-2010 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by slapass (Post 16969778)
Republicans have not proved fiscally responsible in there last several terms in office. Simple reason is wars are expensive. Reagan, Bush and Bush fought wars and Clinton did not. It even goes back several more presidents then that if you look at the stats.

Reagan tried to bankrupt America. He increased spending and decreased taxes. The late 80's were a mess with an entire banking arm driven out of business (S and L's). Top 5? Try bottom 5.

This is retarded. Reagan fought off and ended the Cold War. Bush helped in the Iran-Iraq War. Both were necessarily. Your left wing bullshit doesn't fly, sorry.

"Reagan tried to bankrupt America ROFLROFL". I guess Obama is doing the same thing only ten times more successful.

slapass 03-23-2010 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 16969905)
This is retarded. Reagan fought off and ended the Cold War. Bush helped in the Iran-Iraq War. Both were necessarily. Your left wing bullshit doesn't fly, sorry.

"Reagan tried to bankrupt America ROFLROFL". I guess Obama is doing the same thing only ten times more successful.

We know that the CIA had it wrong and Russia was in trouble for a long time and collapsed under its own weight. Reagan did nothing but nice try at rewriting history. Check out the S and L Crisis. A diplomat gave bad advice to an Iraqi diplomat and we got into the Iraq war. Yes previous to that we had supplied Iraq. This was a win for Bush that he supplied and then bombed the same country?

Anyways, America pays a higher percent of GDP towards healthcare then other industrialized countries and we have worse care by most metrics. We handle it through our corporations. It hurts our competitiveness over seas with higher product costs. It does not seem to be working. So why are we fighting for the status quo? Look around the world and pick the best model and copy it. How hard is that?

JaneB 03-23-2010 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat (Post 16968594)
Democrat or Republican? Who cares? Can't you all just come together and be ashamed to be American? :1orglaugh


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Serial Pervert 03-23-2010 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by CosmicTang (Post 16967720)
Proud to be an Independent.

me too, dude :thumbsup

The Demon 03-23-2010 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by slapass (Post 16969996)
We know that the CIA had it wrong and Russia was in trouble for a long time and collapsed under its own weight. Reagan did nothing but nice try at rewriting history. Check out the S and L Crisis. A diplomat gave bad advice to an Iraqi diplomat and we got into the Iraq war. Yes previous to that we had supplied Iraq. This was a win for Bush that he supplied and then bombed the same country?

I can say the same thing to your stupid statement. "we know that Reagan ended the Cold War and that Russia had collapsed under its own weight." See how dumb that sounds? But liberals have a tendency to not give Reagan credit, instead making up bullshit.


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