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The Demon 03-23-2010 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by MK Ultra (Post 16971485)
Actually it was a CNN poll, and while people liked parts of the bill, as a whole they didn't like it, there are parts of it I even agree with, but there are parts I strongly disagree with.
Yea I've pasted this poll 3 times. I was waiting for an excuse and we gone one in the form of "scare tactics". Liberals/Democrats are so delusional.

BestXXXPorn 03-23-2010 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by MK Ultra (Post 16971485)
And why do people keep saying "elections have consequences"? are you saying just because Obama campaigned on "healthcare reform" that he can now shove whatever he wants down my throat and I'm supposed to like it? I'm supposed to be happy because he's taking from me to give to somebody else?
I fucking hate that crap too...

First off if you're going to use that argument you have to assume the President will carry out everything in their platform once they're elected. So far Obama has fallen pretty fucking hard into the "empty promises" category... Troops back home anyone? All my USMC friends tell me they're mostly guarding poppy fields for the pharmaceutical companies...

Tom_PM 03-23-2010 01:38 PM
MK Ultra, no I'm not saying a bunch of things I didnt actually say. I said only what I said and it's just not going to be accurate trying to guess anything further, and really no need since what I meant was actually there in my post.

The Demon 03-23-2010 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 16971506)
MK Ultra, no I'm not saying a bunch of things I didnt actually say. I said only what I said and it's just not going to be accurate trying to guess anything further, and really no need since what I meant was actually there in my post.
We know, and we're saying you make about as much sense as Shaq shooting a technical.

BestXXXPorn 03-23-2010 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 16971496)
To some extent you are right, technology changes things for sure. However, get rid of all labor, environmental and wage policy and you open up a whole can of worms. To think that any industry will self regulate is fantasy. No federal taxes is pretty much an impossibility, sure the state can take more responsiblity but in the 1880s there was no infrastructure, running water was rare, etc, etc. Technology has changed that as well, all of which costs money. As out of touch as unions seem today, they were a godsend for people back then.
BC, I dig your style man... you can argue your point while providing factual information in a logical manner that supports your argument. Seems to be a rarity now a days :P

I think we agree on many points, there's just one major difference. I believe in Freedom over Utopia. I would explain this sentence in more depth but I'll provide a link to someone who's published over 40 books and is absolutely brilliant, Thomas Sowell.

http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=5606

I think you'll find it pretty interesting :)

The Demon 03-23-2010 01:45 PM
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To some extent you are right, technology changes things for sure. However, get rid of all labor, environmental and wage policy and you open up a whole can of worms. To think that any industry will self regulate is fantasy. No federal taxes is pretty much an impossibility, sure the state can take more responsiblity but in the 1880s there was no infrastructure, running water was rare, etc, etc. Technology has changed that as well, all of which costs money. As out of touch as unions seem today, they were a godsend for people back then.
I take issue with the bold text, as I'm not sure why you think it's fantasy.

Tom_PM 03-23-2010 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 16971516)
We know, and we're saying you make about as much sense as Shaq shooting a technical.
I didnt address you.

I only reply to you because I know you cant resist.

Tom_PM 03-23-2010 01:52 PM
The main issues in the BILL really have been debated to death havent they? What comes up most often is misinformation such as poll results and fearful talk and speech about bankrupting the country and even lawmakers are out there just pulling numbers out of their asses because they dont like the CBO numbers. Whats the point right now to debate a bill that is signed?

The Demon 03-23-2010 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 16971555)
I didnt address you.

I only reply to you because I know you cant resist.
Annnd this is why you're among the ignored on this forum, you truly are a moron.

BestXXXPorn 03-23-2010 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 16971568)
The main issues in the BILL really have been debated to death havent they? What comes up most often is misinformation such as poll results and fearful talk and speech about bankrupting the country and even lawmakers are out there just pulling numbers out of their asses because they dont like the CBO numbers. Whats the point right now to debate a bill that is signed?
My point is raise awareness that the 10th Amendment is no longer respected by our government... and that it's very, very important.

BestXXXPorn 03-23-2010 02:11 PM
To add to my last post, I think the US Supreme Court should have to review all new legislation to see if it is allowed by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Much of it wouldn't be... Right now there's no accountability... if there's a majority in the house they do it. Doesn't matter of it's in their power or not...

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kane 03-23-2010 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by BestXXXPorn (Post 16971634)
To add to my last post, I think the US Supreme Court should have to review all new legislation to see if it is allowed by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Much of it wouldn't be... Right now there's no accountability... if there's a majority in the house they do it. Doesn't matter of it's in their power or not...
What do you feel is in the bill that the constitution wouldn't allow?


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