50 dead jobs

seriously though...i don't think they are going anywhere.

sales is a hard gig in any industry unless you are just inbound sales

if you have to hustle your ass and go out and find the money...that is a valuable skill set, and the good ones will always have a home i suspect.

certainly people who under perform or dont even try and are just taking up a chair will be thinned out, but that is natural in any business that is forced to trim their costs

if you, as affiliate, know what you are doing, you dont need to bother any affiliate manager. if there are any problems with payments or system or something, one support email is enough :2 cents:

i like when affiliate managers help me by bumping my pps. :)

:thumbsup

the position isnt dead,,the worthless ones are

and you are good to work with Ken :thumbsup

I have alot to say and Im going to do an article for the GFY educational series.. I think the position lacks respect.

FACT: Affiliate managers are Webmasters!

There are tons of programs that sell the same products, so unless your sales staff is able to show a perspective affiliate what sets you apart, there's really no way to stay ahead of the game.

I wear many different hats here; many of which have been discussed in this thread, and others which are internal functions or might be overlooked 'cause they don't directly affect affiliates.

I don't think getting new affiliates has ever been an easy task, and the main things that have changed are the methods in finding them. Aside from that, a lot of time goes into making an existing affiliate notice their payout...you have to move them from their check covering their utilities, to covering their car, to covering their house.

Are you sure?I though they are all failed webmasters :1orglaugh

Your not the average AM tho, your elite!

You're not the only ones pushing sales :winkwink:

Practice what you preach. :2 cents:

If I can generate traffic as a "Traffic Manager" why the fuck do i want to work for someone else?

I blame the tubes!

productive affiliates usually don't need any help, and when they do it's one email or a short ICQ convo and they're back to work.

affiliate reps/managers who bring in lots of new affiliates/sales - those days are long gone. the best affiliates are on top of their business, they know what programs are new and have sites they can sell.

a traffic manager who's great at maximizing a program's own internal traffic is a very nice asset. people who can generate a lot of organic traffic/sales on their own rarely work as employees, they'd be stupid to because they can make more on their own. there probably are a small number of people like that who still would rather have the security and structure of working 9 to 5 in house for a big program.

That might be my favorite optimization of all time too.

Please let me know who to never hire. =)

Of course the big programs have a team in place to do their own SEO, media buys, and promotions. Wouldn't you? Why do you think the brograms all jumped the tube train and started riding that out? Because there is huge fucking traffic there AND THEY CAN AFFORD TO HARNESS IT. If I had the patience to dig through all my posts from years goen by, I started saying this shit like 2 years. The programs do not want you as an affiliate! They want to generate that traffic for themselves and cut the middle man.

Brograms have wanted the affiliate out for a long time, and maybe for this industry to survive that is what has to happen. I doubt affiliates will ever be completely gone, but limited absolutely. Small programs will still need the hand of the affiliate model to generate sales, and will continue to work with affiliates. Big programs will only care to work with the real top dawg affiliates, who in all reality have gone beyond what i'd considr the affiliate model and more just contracted sales commpanies.

I wouldn't consider traffic managers a replacement for affiliate managers though. They are completely different entities.

I'll repeat what others have said though, most affiliate managers = completely useless.

/me looks around... that's right, alot of you are right here being useless right now, lol....

Kinda what I was going to say but probably in 4-5 lines :upsidedow I'l just quote

Correct, and well said.

While that may not cover EVERY brogram (before someone comes running in the thread saying, "Not us"). Many have been saying this (generate more of their own traffic) for around 18 months at conferences at the panels. So if you go to some of the shows, they tell people this to their faces this is what they are doing.

That is what always cracks me up about the boards. They run in the rears on some things, and the info you pick up at some of the shows is really informative on the way things are heading. Not only on traffic, but processing, delivery, what they are investing in, etc...

Affiliate managers will always be needed. Why? Because from time to time, as an affiliate, I have questions. I didn't get paid, I need a banner of a certain size that I can't find, can I get access to the member's area to grab some content for my blogs, what exactly are your rules for promoting, can I use my own tour blah blah blah blah blah.

Affiliates will always have questions, and questions will always need to be answered. If I can't get someone to answer my email in forty-eight hours, I've already moved on and I'm sending my traffic some place else.

Also, affiliate managers do a lot more than recruit and assist affiliates. They update websites, create new galleries, send out affiliate emails, etc etc etc. And in some cases they do a whole lot more.

Good thread actually, finally

- Buying advertising? Only on GFY
- We are not going to compete with our webmasters
- Affiliate managers a dead job? Winston/Pornguy/Tam are doing a great job and bringing in a good amount of new webmasters and joins in daily.. for sure not a dead job!

Different companies, different business models..

They still keep busy doing tasks other than handling affiliates, like inhouse traffic generation, etc.

Agreed on the position lacking respect although the industry had a good amount of idiots messing up this affiliate managers position name in general

I think the best one Ive ever heard was I suck dick for traffic :1orglaugh

BIN-GO!
It's all semantics. Organic traffic with relevance and intent is king. You can build all kinds of biz models to make it work for you. Bigger organizations packs more punch when it comes to traffic harvesting but there are lots of room for smaller entities/individuals to impact distribution of traffic.

need more like that.

haha, yeah affiliate manager no need ;) funny thread

Good thread. This stands out among some good posts.
Amen :thumbsup

If "I" can sell "your" porn product on these here interwebs we will always be "friends". :) Only an idiot would leave money on the table (in an envelope with your name on it. :)

I see no end to affil marketing from the affil's prospective. However, as time goes on I suspect 20% of the (porn) progs will (if they don't already) have 80% of the affils.

There is alot of shit out there that doesn't sell.

Ultimately, IF you can generate your own traffic (I'm speaking as a program owner here, not as an affiliate) then that IS the best thing. Not only do you 'cut out the middle man' (sorry beloved affiliates) but you also are no longer dependant UPON your beloved affiliates.

As in: what if one of my biggest affiliates, sends me hundreds of fucking sales a month, decides to get married, finds God, his mom finds out, what the fuck EVER, and POOF! There goes my sales, my 'lifestyle', x% of my business. Multiply that and you can see how being 'dependent', on ANY affiliate(s), is a nebulous, shaky affair. Believe me, as a past 'victim' of a single website deciding to no longer display a single link (eggs in one basket lesson here) and losing my entire business overnight (this was back in 2008) I am justifiably paranoid about losing whatever traffic I've worked so hard to build up.

So the only peace of mind you can get as a program owner is to try, anyway you can, to generate your own traffic. Besides, it's not really an 'either or' situation, more like an adding more traffic TOO situation. LOL I mean, whatever you do in terms of getting your own traffic is not going to conflict (or shouldn't) with affiliates traffic. So why not employ both? Seems logical to me. :D

you guys are some bright mofos...very interesting thread.

To up and coming paysite ops..

It's sort of a catch 22.. if you can generate traffic to your site at a profit greater than the top 10% of other paysites... then you are a profitable entity and I will be beating down your door. :) If you cant generate at the profit level of the top 10% you might as well just become an affil (I realize most do both, prog owner and affil) and sell the traffic to the top paysites.

Traffic is a purchased item one way or another.

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It all comes back to the paysite owner creating something for the affil to sell. So you really need affils of course but bottom line, you must create something that sells, not have affils step in and sell your stuff for you. It must be designed at a level that will sell.. today.

Better to spend the money on the tour than anything from my perspective but
hey I am just the affil who looks at you and decides if I can sell you from one thing.. the tours of your sites. Cause that's what the surfer sees.

Guys sit on these boards all day. Take a year off and put the money (wasted here) into a fucken kick ass tour and fresh content on one site. Come back and say look at my fucking tour guys.

I see some good new progs do this. They put it into one or two sites and they can compete with the big boys. And they are having some success. The days of launching lots of sites are laughable.

That is what gets affils. And affils make big money for guys who put their money into fresh, spendy, new tours and content. Even tho there is this anti affil vibe at GFY. The only ones anti are the ones who don't have any.

And yes they better have trailers and prob even some hd by now. Oh oh. I had to go there. :)

(Not directed at any paysite ops in this thread, just been meaning to bitch about this for a while now :)

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I started my own paysites just to make more per sale.

All the programs that could be bros have affiliate managers. They also just buy the traffic they need from almost every big affiliate you can think of.

Building an internal traffic network isn't something you can just start up or know how to start up, to replace 100's if not 1000's of sales daily.

At the end of the day, affiliates will promote whatever makes them the most - the easiest. And those programs will always need reps to support those affiliates.

If you are going to generate in house traffic you better have sites that will sell. And if they sell you won't need to generate in house traffic. Catch 22

If you are another 1 in 5000 paysite tour (or worse) then all this talk of generating traffic will be talk.

(again not directed to anyone in this thread)

Having Dwreck has proved essential to our program. He's only been with us for a small bit but I have no idea how we did it before he came along. He handles both traffic and affiliate stuff....we're fortunate to have someone who can handle both.

basically your doing sales, either commission or salary, communication skills a must, writing skills important, you need to be assertive when you see an opportunity, and you need to think out of the box since you have so much competition on the internet...and it also helps to like what your promoting.

Once I get all my websites going, I might think about working part time for someone for a 4th income...but more of a challenge for myself.

no comment lol

Indeed. Many did. :thumbsup

Not a cheap game to suddenly compete now days tho with the "serious playas" without a major commitment.
Some of these tours I see do not look cheap.

I joined a site lately that even I could design. I fell for the tour and YES it had NO trailers (just a shitload of screencaps) lol You got me! (So what the fuck do I know) lol :) True story.

Fuck if I knew it was that easy to be a "paysite op" I would of cashed in too. :) It had maybe 100 vids. And was a recurring prog (of course). :1orglaugh

(and once again not intended to anyone in this thread :)

I run 18 paysites, with 4 more launching in the next two months. The way my business model works (www.misterpeabodyworld.com/modelsmake.html) it's relatively easy to incorporate a site into my network. So I have sites that sell, sites that do so-so, sites that just lay there, and a growing network.

Just saying sometimes it's not the Tour, it's the content therein. Depends on the traffic, too; as in, 'splashy' tours don't do well with amateur traffic and vice-versa, schoolgirl traffic doesn't do well with handjob traffic and on and on.

But hey, it's 3 am. WHA??????

Good points. Traffic and sources and all the rest makes a huge diff. I'm just shooting the shit.

One thing you touch on..
I should start a thread I suppose but, all sponsors have a top few sites that sell well and many that don't.. but not all tell you which ones sell well.

Run with that one of you thread posting machines. :)

All should say this is my top 10 sites in order. I mean it is like what 25% that do that. Should be paysite op 101 I should think. Noone has more than 5 sites that sell. Ok maybe only a very select few. Most tho have a couple. And Its up to me to decide? Put it up there in the notes if there is no script. "This week's top 5 is:"

I thank you. :)

There ya go affil managers. Run with that. Implimenting a top 5 would increase bottom line so much you will be the owner's best man. :winkwink:

You have to realize alot of guys (like me) never talk to affil managers or anyone else rarely, maybe once. I just don't need one. So I suppose I could write and ask "what is the top 5 this week :) but I try to only sound like a retard on here. lol :)

I'm not a chatty guy normally. Just the usual shit, lmk the new sites in email ect is all I want and need.

In fact, no news is good news. :)

I only had one prog ever call me and (naturally) they ended up sucking.

Automation from the time I hit your signup page to the time I hear from epass that you paid me. That is what I like to see.

And none of this approval bs.

I do kinda agree :thumbsup

But there will always be a place for affiliate managers but i do think more will be looking to hire an internal guy to grown and manage traffic sites.

I heard he sucks dick for traffic! Rumour? Who cares, he's good!

very true

I've never understood the attitude of those managers that ignore those with sales at those levels.

It sure doesn't feel like the position is dead from where I am sitting. Also, I have found that in the last six months or so more people are seeking out their affiliate support person and asking for help. Newbies have always been happy to hit us up asking for help but the change is that people that have been around a long time are doing it now too.

I do think that the pure board whore/convention hopper positions might be at risk but those that actually work on accounts and have at least a slight clue are still in demand.

I can't speak for others but I never ignore anybody regardless of their sales. I actually rather enjoy working with the 1 sale a day type guys and helping them grow into more. Often it is just not really knowing how to deal with the traffic they have found.

I send those lists nearly every day....just ask.

And not getting too downhearted with 8 out of 10 of the emails you send bounce.

I think you are VERY wrong here . Even websites that are well known as a reputable brand and generated a lot of their own traffic - and i am talking about amazon, ebay here, with huge status that no porn website will ever reach- still have affiliates and affiliate programs. Although, obviously you would think that they do not need affiliates because everyone knows about them. Why do they still work with small time affiliates? Because affiliates add EXTRA to the business. They do not replace your own traffic or anything. You should have both.

What traffic you have worked SO HARD to build if the traffic was actually sent by the big time affiliate? Sorry, i do not follow your logic here. If the affiliate would not have sent you traffic, you probably wouldn't have had a business in the first place. So how can you blame him for losing your entire business overnight and pose as a victim? You should be thankful that he sent you the traffic for whatever long period he sent before pulling the links, because if he didn't, you would not have a business to lose overnight.

then why does it say webmaster on my homepage?

http://masteryan.com/ lolz

wms are always busy and have way too much shit to do to be hanging out at shows. ive been to a few and they are basically like chilling at a used car lot.

as for the OP he forgets the small fact that the affiliates OWN all the traffic sites and they want their pps or revshare. only way u will no longer have affil mgrs is if the affils need to accept ad revenue over placing revshare banners.

at that point its all over anyway cuz no one is making money.

Any affiliate manager should be both. As long as there are affiliates there will be the need for good managers, but the traditional affiliate manager position is growing.

Long live the affiliate manager position!

bump for all affiliate managers :thumbsup