If you are going to generate in house traffic you better have sites that will sell. And if they sell you won't need to generate in house traffic. Catch 22

If you are another 1 in 5000 paysite tour (or worse) then all this talk of generating traffic will be talk.

(again not directed to anyone in this thread)

Having Dwreck has proved essential to our program. He's only been with us for a small bit but I have no idea how we did it before he came along. He handles both traffic and affiliate stuff....we're fortunate to have someone who can handle both.

basically your doing sales, either commission or salary, communication skills a must, writing skills important, you need to be assertive when you see an opportunity, and you need to think out of the box since you have so much competition on the internet...and it also helps to like what your promoting.

Once I get all my websites going, I might think about working part time for someone for a 4th income...but more of a challenge for myself.

no comment lol

Indeed. Many did. :thumbsup

Not a cheap game to suddenly compete now days tho with the "serious playas" without a major commitment.
Some of these tours I see do not look cheap.

I joined a site lately that even I could design. I fell for the tour and YES it had NO trailers (just a shitload of screencaps) lol You got me! (So what the fuck do I know) lol :) True story.

Fuck if I knew it was that easy to be a "paysite op" I would of cashed in too. :) It had maybe 100 vids. And was a recurring prog (of course). :1orglaugh

(and once again not intended to anyone in this thread :)

I run 18 paysites, with 4 more launching in the next two months. The way my business model works (www.misterpeabodyworld.com/modelsmake.html) it's relatively easy to incorporate a site into my network. So I have sites that sell, sites that do so-so, sites that just lay there, and a growing network.

Just saying sometimes it's not the Tour, it's the content therein. Depends on the traffic, too; as in, 'splashy' tours don't do well with amateur traffic and vice-versa, schoolgirl traffic doesn't do well with handjob traffic and on and on.

But hey, it's 3 am. WHA??????

Good points. Traffic and sources and all the rest makes a huge diff. I'm just shooting the shit.

One thing you touch on..
I should start a thread I suppose but, all sponsors have a top few sites that sell well and many that don't.. but not all tell you which ones sell well.

Run with that one of you thread posting machines. :)

All should say this is my top 10 sites in order. I mean it is like what 25% that do that. Should be paysite op 101 I should think. Noone has more than 5 sites that sell. Ok maybe only a very select few. Most tho have a couple. And Its up to me to decide? Put it up there in the notes if there is no script. "This week's top 5 is:"

I thank you. :)

There ya go affil managers. Run with that. Implimenting a top 5 would increase bottom line so much you will be the owner's best man. :winkwink:

You have to realize alot of guys (like me) never talk to affil managers or anyone else rarely, maybe once. I just don't need one. So I suppose I could write and ask "what is the top 5 this week :) but I try to only sound like a retard on here. lol :)

I'm not a chatty guy normally. Just the usual shit, lmk the new sites in email ect is all I want and need.

In fact, no news is good news. :)

I only had one prog ever call me and (naturally) they ended up sucking.

Automation from the time I hit your signup page to the time I hear from epass that you paid me. That is what I like to see.

And none of this approval bs.

I do kinda agree :thumbsup

But there will always be a place for affiliate managers but i do think more will be looking to hire an internal guy to grown and manage traffic sites.

I heard he sucks dick for traffic! Rumour? Who cares, he's good!

very true

I've never understood the attitude of those managers that ignore those with sales at those levels.

It sure doesn't feel like the position is dead from where I am sitting. Also, I have found that in the last six months or so more people are seeking out their affiliate support person and asking for help. Newbies have always been happy to hit us up asking for help but the change is that people that have been around a long time are doing it now too.

I do think that the pure board whore/convention hopper positions might be at risk but those that actually work on accounts and have at least a slight clue are still in demand.

I can't speak for others but I never ignore anybody regardless of their sales. I actually rather enjoy working with the 1 sale a day type guys and helping them grow into more. Often it is just not really knowing how to deal with the traffic they have found.

I send those lists nearly every day....just ask.

And not getting too downhearted with 8 out of 10 of the emails you send bounce.

I think you are VERY wrong here . Even websites that are well known as a reputable brand and generated a lot of their own traffic - and i am talking about amazon, ebay here, with huge status that no porn website will ever reach- still have affiliates and affiliate programs. Although, obviously you would think that they do not need affiliates because everyone knows about them. Why do they still work with small time affiliates? Because affiliates add EXTRA to the business. They do not replace your own traffic or anything. You should have both.

What traffic you have worked SO HARD to build if the traffic was actually sent by the big time affiliate? Sorry, i do not follow your logic here. If the affiliate would not have sent you traffic, you probably wouldn't have had a business in the first place. So how can you blame him for losing your entire business overnight and pose as a victim? You should be thankful that he sent you the traffic for whatever long period he sent before pulling the links, because if he didn't, you would not have a business to lose overnight.

then why does it say webmaster on my homepage?

http://masteryan.com/ lolz

wms are always busy and have way too much shit to do to be hanging out at shows. ive been to a few and they are basically like chilling at a used car lot.

as for the OP he forgets the small fact that the affiliates OWN all the traffic sites and they want their pps or revshare. only way u will no longer have affil mgrs is if the affils need to accept ad revenue over placing revshare banners.

at that point its all over anyway cuz no one is making money.

Any affiliate manager should be both. As long as there are affiliates there will be the need for good managers, but the traditional affiliate manager position is growing.

Long live the affiliate manager position!

bump for all affiliate managers :thumbsup

A Hundie New Affiliate Managers

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Because you might be good at managing traffic, but shitty at managing a business?

:1orglaughI couldnt agree more!!

See you in Phx ?? Its grasshopper season....

Exactly how I feel :thumbsup

I understand the attitude, it just pisses me off. Funny to see people thinking in terms of 100s of sales a day while only making a mediocre salary.

I rarely spend anytime on the boards. This is a good thread.

I believe that both affiliates and internal traffic are great. Although it would be nice to be a "well known" Amazon company (type in), it can be difficult to create your own. Whether you purchase your traffic from a company (where does it really come from) or create some of your own, there are still costs. Hence, affiliates. At least the traffic that they are sending is specific to the niche.

As an owner, I've formed various relationships with "partners" who offer exclusive content. I've taken their content and optimized it the best way we can. I've hired Dickman's design to do some of our tours and it's helped our affiliates maximize their conversions. I also have a full time designer that is rather gifted in his field and understands how this business operates. Hard to get that out of a designer these days.
www.SheMuscleGym.com
www.GangBangDee.com

One unique way of creating your own internal traffic are the domains that you choose to begin with. Pick something that will be SEO friendly. I get more type in traffic from friendly SEO domain names than most.

www.RealTampaSwingers.com
www.ILoveSmallTits.com

Great thread!

My affiliate manager is NOT creating new galleries and updating our websites! This is not the type of work for an affiliate manager, sorry.

Personally I'm more of an all round affiliate manager. I deal with everything that's required (webmaster like).

I deal with our affiliates, content producers, internal traffic sources. Basically if it needs doing it gets passed to me and I either do it or get one of the other staff at WorldWideWives to give us a hand.

I think the key these days it being able to do what's needed when needed and have an array of skills rather than focusing on one area of the business.

Versatility is the key in the current market to be honest and seems to be working for us!

Of course affiliate managers are needed as there's no doubt that affiliates are still a key role in the porn industry but I think those affiliate managers need to be able to juggle jobs and have a true understand of all areas.

Maybe in larger companies you can get away with pure affiliate managers who do nothing else but I think for us smaller guys its important to help out in all areas. We've got 18 staff here and most of them are able to deal with different areas but I tend to be the one that's used as immediate contact for affiliates and the like.

All in all, just adapt with the times as everyone has been and all will be well.

That's all my opinion anyways ^_^.

I dont know what will be with AMs but Selena from jmc is best AM i have contact to work with!

Nicely said BROtha.
:thumbsup

That is very kind, thank you. :)

And I would have to agree with you seeandsee :)
nice to see my girl earning her keep all these years..

QFT. Took the words right out of my mouth.

BF, I need one BAD. Who can you recommend for my Affiliate Manager position?

lol, classic.

ill do it im cheap as i have no references and no experience

I think it is a knee jerk reaction by companies who were 1. miss managing their reps to start with and 2. do not know what else to do to get traffic.

Sales across the board have been down, not just from affiliates. In house traffic, organic traffic, type in traffic, sales from all sorts of traffic is down for several reasons, the biggest being the credit card crunch.

The old affiliate reps were paid to help and get new affiliates to send traffic. It is an easy job to do when the affiliates come to you and you just help them with a few questions or get them some promo materials. Now that sales are a whole lot harder to come by, it is a lot harder for affiliate reps to produce, to go out and get new affiliates, who in turn send in new traffic and sales.

Program owners had the money in the past to blow on reps who probably weren't producing new affiliates on their own, just helping the affiliates who came to them. Now the rep who doesn't generate new affiliates / sales is a cost that gets chopped when budgets get cut. Program owners should have developed reps and trained them to get new affiliates / sales early on, or hired go getters, not just pay them to ask "can I help you with anything" once the people already signed up on their own.

They should hire better reps, not do away with the position. If they go to "brokers" now for in house traffic, that is just a knee jerk reaction that is likely not to do well for them either. I wouldn't abandon affiliates, just entice them more and find the ones that are still producing and get them to give you a try.

Going B2B only is just a short term fix. if even a fix at all. If no one is generating new sales and just recycling what they have with other businesses that isn't going to last long at all.

While it is good to develop your own traffic, that is only going to get you so far unless you have an unlimited budget and you can buy/develop huge volume sites to use as your own traffic source. <--- which is the route I would go before throwing "XXXXX" at a traffic broker and hoping he can make you a profit. You need affiliates. You just need someone better to go out and actually get them, instead of just servicing accounts, and you need to become more competitive on what you can offer to get new affiliates. If you are offering the same deal as everyone else then that is going to make the reps job that much harder to bring you new affiliates / sales.

LOL Just who I'm looking for! You're hired. Now where are my affiliate sales?
Okay, you're fired, you didn't produce.
Next! :D

An affiliate manager is an account representative. They not only look to acquire new affiliates, but provide support, and manage requests and issues current affiliates have. Something that is standard in any industry.