Yea, definitely ignorant:thumbsup

Thanks for proving my point. :)

The mistake people make with the Demon is assuming he actually has an inkling about the buzzwords and ideas he throws around. Don't debate ideas with him, that's giving him the benefit of the doubt... just make him explain his own. He will dig his own hole every single time.

Kinda easy seeing why Gambrinus is largely ignored. I have nothing more to teach him so I laugh at his posts. Perhaps if we all ignore him he'll just stop.

Credited by whom? Purely stating that someone is credited with something doesn't make it fact...

There was no need to "explain" that to me... it's a fact. I didn't advocate anything. Just because it's a fact doesn't mean that I advocate one side or the other... I think it's simple to say that there are common actions that can be clearly defined as right and wrong.

Pot.Kettle.Black which was my point:)


Right, so you're describing relativism. I'm not sure if you're saying everything can be relative, or certain things are. If you're advocating the former, I disagree, and you would be contradicting your earlier position regarding your opinions on moral relativism. If you're advocating the latter, then I agree.

Yes... I was describing relativism... and I clarified my post. Everything is NOT relative in the sense that one can easily discern the morality of an action taken by someone of a different culture that just doesn't make any logical sense and is based purely on the stupidity of tradition, religious or otherwise. For example, it's pretty stupid to sentence a young woman to cane lashing for being raped purely because she spoke with her rapist before the crime was committed. Similarly, it is beyond the pale that parents would cut off the ears and nose of a girl for speaking to boys or for any other reason for that matter. Justifying those actions is not an Atheist philosophy... it's an idiot philosophy.

Ok... Then in this regard, we are in agreement. You don't have to respond to the initial quotes, as that conversation is bound to go nowhere.

I find that, on many issues, people who identify themselves as conservatives and similarly lash out at liberals seem to feel that there is this great divide in general philosophy. There isn't really. Liberals do not advocate bigger government as a specific goal (only a means at times) and only the extreme left are Marxists. The extreme right is just as loony as the extreme left. It is the rhetoric that separates us more than anything... it is the way that politicians frame the debate that leads to the chasm between us. Yes... there are differences. Liberals believe strongly in personal freedoms... just as strongly as conservatives... the difference is that liberals think it is logical to consider the welfare of the whole country rather than individualism. America was not founded on individualism... "We, the people...".

There isn't an organized secret plot among liberals as described by Beck and Brietbart... want proof? Democrats argue with each other just as much as they argue with Republicans. However, the current political landscape is a little scary and all of the rhetoric and misinformation is separating us... the people. Why is that? During the watergate scandal "Deep Throat" told the Wapo reporter to "follow the money". Who stands to gain the most from our separation? The government? I don't think so... I think it's the ultra wealthy and powerful who stand to gain. The new "Robber Barons".

This is highly debatable. I can just as argue that classical liberalism conforms to modern conservativism, whereas modern liberals(which became the dominant leftist group since the 60s), are pretty much a perversion of the left.

Nobody cares about Beck, O'Reilly', Marr, Pelosi, Limbaugh. These are all nut cases, both left and right wing.

And that's how you can identify people, like the demon, who get all their "knowledge" from tv pundits and talking heads. Their little brains can only grasp left, right, black, white, us, them.

I think you can argue that it matches your idea of what modern conservatism is... but that doesn't mesh with what the real modern conservative movement is... that would be neo-liberalism pure an simple. It is the mainstay of the Republican ideology... just listen to what they support and what they don't support and you will see what I mean. They are not constitutionalists... they just play one on TV.

Anyone else want to respond to this buffoon? I almost feel terrible that nobody is reading his "I want to sound as intelligent as possible" script.

I knew you would just call me stupid again and refuse to answer the question. You call EVERYONE stupid and yet it is YOU who have faith in utter nonsense. Nobody in here likes you. Do you believe in evolution? Or is it just an unproven theory made up by the left to destroy your faith in your MORON GENOCIDAL invisible friend in the clouds?

I look at classical liberalism, and then I look at modern liberalism and the Democratic movement, and they're not comparable on any level.

http://www.ncpa.org/pdfs/Classical_L...ervatis m.pdf

^This is the one of the best things I've read explaining all the differences..

^Does this even warrant a response? Hahahahahahaha

I think you can see what I mean now, Nation:)

You have an obsession with intelligence. Every fucking post you go on and on about how we are all dumb and how you are so much smarter than everyone because you are not a liberal or an atheist. You make some claim about being a lawyer but I think you are full of shit.

Liberals are MUCH smarter on the average than the trailer trash religious cunts like you. I bet you rank in the bottom 10% on the intelligence scale in this forum. You might be smarter than Pathfinder, but maybe not. You are a fucking joke. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:321GFY

Get the fuck out, did the Demon actually claim to be a lawyer? :1orglaugh

If you refuse to debate, then what is your point here? HINT TROLLING!

FUCK OFF, loser. Go suck YHWH's dick!

Wow. I would ask for proof and claim that you're intentionally misrepresenting my position, but your head would explode thinking about those two concepts:)

http://www.thebloodyforeigners.dk/v2...o_bullshit.jpg

He said he was in law school. BULLSHIT!

Look where you are getting your information... would you believe any document that I showed you from a lefty liberal think tank? It is a partisan description and doesn't even reflect anything near what the current liberal philosophy really is... it is a justification of what I described above... the ideology of individualism. How exactly does that mesh with something like "Country First" OR Patriotism? It doesn't. It is a neo-liberal description of the left... and by the way... neo-liberal does not equal left either. There is a wide swath of liberal ideologies.

I feel awful for you bro, your attempts at sound intelligent are going unnoticed. I'm sorry man. :( :(

I didn't say I get my information from there, I said it's a good read, nothing more. Yes, there are differences between liberal and left, and there are enough similarities to put the two in the same equation. If you told me you were a liberal who held the classical beliefs, I would ask you why you would call yourself a liberal in this day and age.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=127365

Hey, slow down with all that fancy lawyer speak!

and then you link to WND... lol... are you kidding me?

Look... you are being bamboozled by these guys... I am not kidding. It's funny that they write articles like this and didn't write a single fucking similar article about Bush... who had a 1.4 Trillion dollar deficit... and didn't even blink when Cheney said that deficits don't matter. This article is ridiculous on it's face...

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_1...25-503544.html

You 2 can both go sit in the corner for a time out.

Dont you know the world will end in 2012 unless the aliens come and take us over???


Sabby:)

Here is 25% of why I am not a Republican:
Watergate
Iran/Contra
S&L Scandal
WMD Lie
Abramoff Scandal
Outed CIA Agent for political gain
Thousands of Democrats targeted for prosecution by Republicans who were members of the Federalist Society that used the Justice Department for political gain... only a handful of convictions...
^^ ie: Federal Prosecutors scandal that led to the the resignation of the AG of the US
Ensign Scandal (which is just developing really)
Blackwater - executives have been formally charged at this point
Financial Deregulation by Republicans that led to the financial crisis

Show me a single Democratic scandal that is even close to any of these... I can only think of a couple of a blowjob, some bribery cases, hookers and closet gay congressmen and the Republicans had all of those too.

I was linking you to Dennis Prager, who used to be a liberal Democrat for most of his life before he understood that liberalism went so far left, he identified with the conservative movement, but ok. I guess we're just automatically going to discredit each other's sources.

If you notice, most of those are bolded, because your facts aren't actually facts. LOL@Republicans causing financial crisis. Oh no not Abramoff! How could I raise my kids knowing what he did. I guess he represents the whole REpublican party. By your logic, Democrats are wife cheating pimps. Just when I think you're intelligent, you come up with all of this nonsense, MOST of which could be debated, and others can be disqualified as inaccurate. I really don't need to find each Democratic scandal because I'll be searching for hours, and I'd be ignorant to say "I don't follow this party because one guy cheated on his wife and one guy cheated the citizens!" Next thing you're going to tell me, you can't raise your kids properly because the government lies and cheats.

Furthermore, you haven't exactly clarified why you were a Democrat or a liberal. If you want to maintain a serious debate, you don't start throwing out reasons why you're not something.

So Iran/Contra didn't have anything to do with Republicans? It is a proven fact that the Bush admin fudged the intelligence and pressured analysts to justify the invasion of Iraq... you can choose not to believe it if you want but history will tell a fairly plain truth of it.... and Republicans made Derivatives and Credit Default swaps legal financial instruments after 75 years of being outlawed... the trading of those is what caused the financial crisis... the subprime crisis is something completely different... without derivatives and Credit Default Swaps there would have been only a crash of the real estate bubble.... which wasn't enough to bring down all of the banks.

You mean he realized he could make more money writing right wing propaganda... I seem to remember that there is a Fox News contributor that did the same thing that used to work in the Clinton White House.

That's the way you see, which I can chalk off as "left wing rationalization". God forbid he actually changed ideals, or rather the party he followed changed their ideals. If someone went from Republican to Democrat, my first thought wouldn't be "Oh he wanted money", but whatever helps you sleep at night. We can just agree to disagree.

Of course it was, I never denied it, I said it was debatable because I support it, or rather would have if I was old enough at the time lol.
I never argued this, although we both go back and forth telling each other that your truth is just propaganda. However, the Democrats supported it. And don't tell me it was based on faulty evidence. They knew what he knew. [quote]
At best, that's debatable and at worse, completely false. We can play this game of "well if he didn't do this, the other guy would have done this." Bill Clinton and Alan Greenspan were fully responsible for the subprime mortgage crisis. The financial crisis I will blame on the FED as well as American consumers who started living beyond their means. I think at this point we should agree both parties were at fault, otherwise we won't get anywhere. I still haven't found out why you were a liberal, just why you're NOT something else.

Cmon Rafael, you really going to make this difficult?

Want to read something interesting that someone sent me?

http://www.gfyboard.com/showpost.php...&postcount=142

http://www.digitalgangster.com/4um/s...9&postcount=31

Seems our virtuous friend demon is a little spammer and scammer. Lots of good reading on DG.

Dave? What are you doing with all those AIM accounts?

http://www.wickedfire.com/sell-buy-t...-accounts.html

It isn't hard to figure out religion has often been used as a cover for other agendas. Moreover, exploiting the fear of being wrong has led to so much brutality and misery. Just as fanaticism's insecurity has led to wars against others if they refuse to see "the way" so have anti-theists resorted to similar tactics for those that don't see their way.

Regardless, at its core, these actions aren't uniquely tied to spirituality and arise more from the elements that spirituality seeks to combat--self-absorption, lack of empathy and compassion, and the evil that results from these.

We are in a postmodernist age and one truth that we all can agree on is that there's many layers to "truth". It is just a function of man's lack of imagination that the triump of whoever's "truth" ultimately relies on violence. Sadly, when that happens, truth dies.

Socrates, Goethe, Aristotle, Bacon, Tzu Chuang, Chomsky, Descartes... all "morons"

You... intelligent.


:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Everyone is Agnostic, they just don't know it yet.

all i will add to this thread is my opinion...that acceptance of religious philosophy is genetic. The brain is one of the frontiers where man's grasp of its function has just begun.

I see in life that people have biases & acceptances of certain ideas. Many people become righteous, arrogant, & close minded in their ideas. I think this is one of the foundations why Man fights wars over & over & over, despite the truth that war is the most horrific human endeavor on Earth.

These genetic tendancies are difficult to fight, but as people become more educated, they become more open minded to alternate ideas & are able to live with the differences of others. I've met numerous religious people who are tolerant of gays, tolerant of me as a porn maker.

But its typically religious leadership that is rigid & extreme; those are qualities that get you to leadership. Same with capitalism, where it seems the most greedy are the ones who become leaders, & with politics, where the most extreme become leaders.

Religion, & its opposite athiesm, can never be dumped without killing off every human being with a bias. Someday a drug company will discover the genetic foundation of idealogical bias, & religion, political views, etc. can be turned on & off with a pill.

Yall do realize the same group of people owns the left wing stations and the right wing stations? 1 man holding 2 puppets... just thought i'd let you know. Divide and Conquer is the motto.

haha I like that quote :thumbsup

Hey TD, who is this?

http://imgur.com/M2j9V.jpg

:action-sm

No idea, but I figure you had no idea who I am rofl. Please keep stalking me and embarrassing yourself, maybe you'll get the right guy one day and maybe people will start paying attention to you :)

Wow.. Ancient philosophers who had other careers as well. Have the utmost respect for them. Modern philosophers are the butt of most jokes. Liberal arts colleges, liberal arts degrees, all hilarious.

This isn't your profile on DG?

http://imgur.com/cKJ4s.jpg

Funny... you guys share the same AIM, use the same avatar. TD wouldn't happen to stand for "The Demon" would it? :1orglaugh

I don't have an account on DG, I know the guy though.. But please, keep it up. You're definitely amusing us. While you're at it, you should totally pull my docs and post them here:)

LOOOOL Coming from the kid who flunked out of FSU.

http://imgur.com/m3mKF.jpg

I guess IM spamming just doesn't pay as well as it used to uh, Dave?

::::Yawn:::: Come back here when you have information on me. I would suggest you stop embarrassing yourself, but I think you've crossed that threshold hours ago. Btw, I just read the profile, and I can't see "flunked out of FSU" anywhere. Are you intentionally making shit up because if you are, make sure you're making it up about the correct person ROFLROFLROFL.