Exactly. You can see average girls anywhere, what dumbass PAYS to see it? You can go down to your mall or local store and see random looking average girls. Hell, you can pay one $20 and she will show you her boobs probably. Most every guy I know want to see the fantasy girl they will never get naked and/or teasing them in photos and videos and they pay for that. My friends are never jealous when I shoot some random Myspace girl, but if I have a Pet/Playmate or some porn star coming over, you bet your ass they get jealous and want to come over.

Because most of those girls are cute :2 cents:
Besides the most you see from the majority of the "girlfriend" content is some boobie flashing maybe a puss shot here and there. They are just cute young chicks flossing the fact that they are cute. If you got any of those chicks FUCKING on cam you'd have yourself a seller. At least in comparison to the other garbage you could promote.

I TOTALLY AGREE. Please, for the love of God, if your a producer, try oh try to get the shit in focus. That would be soooooo Superfab! And the 400 pixel x 300 pixel movies are tired as well :thumbsup

While that is indeed true.. if you have a solo site with a below average chick and attempt to market it as if it's Carmen Electra(read: an above average bombshell).. you will see zero results. Same can be said if you have a multi-model site and you market it as glamour/babe type stuff and the girls are below average.. again, shitty to zero results. Most people who buy in that market can obtain that level of pussy, or are married, etc. :2 cents:

If you have an ugly or below average GND chick and market her as such, your results should be good.

how many sub-par or even par models are contract pornstars?

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follow the money.... :2 cents:

glam crap sells worse than next door shit, that's why.

the argument as i understand it has nothing to do with the quality or style of the photography, but solely the sex appeal of the model.

the debate is going way off it's original line of reason here...

take some MET-ART quality models, and shoot them in amateur hardcore video, or in a cutesy gnd style as opposed to art-glam and you'd have yourself a monster of a site.. but, as the world would have it, the number of models with those looks who are willing to get dp'd, deepthroat and do hard anal, is significantly lower than the average cokewhore that is being shot as content for these niches... :2 cents:

in my opinion glam content converts poorly for affiliates, not because it doesn't convert, but because it is everywhere. it's saturated as fuck, and everyone already knows where to find the good glam content. who even needs to google that shit if they are intent on buying it? beside that fact, why even buy it? glam content is easy as fuck to find for free all over the place. that alone should speak for it's popularity...

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Some great points. after shooting 8 years going from am to glamour I would say the best seller is the blonde cutey GND. Stylish photography doesnt always sell well(depends if times are good or not) it is great for a tour design and stuff but guys prefer a variety of stuff and personally i think a cute girl in a tshirt with great skin good hair/makeup wearing jeans and a tshirt will do very well.

It has to be shot well.

If you notice how good the photography or styling it is then i think it becomes to distracting and takes away from the what your trying to jerk off to.

Being in focus and shot well should not be an issue but mandotory.

I think Mr E means before he got distracted by the guy criticising him, was that there is a lot of reguratated content out there that is over all so distractingly out of focus and lite very harshly that it is no surprise that it doesnt sell.

Glam or am it all sells like AJCat says ...depends on how flooded the market is.

A few years ago in the DVD hey day the guy that paid the most for models was Ed Powers. If a girls rate was 700 he would pay her 1500 to do her first shoot he understood the power of the fresh faced cutie before she became a "porn star"

All true, but it wasn't her picture that everyone re-posted.
She just doesn't stand out enough in that photo to make a connection with me, and I'm thinking a few others here as well.
But as others have said, there are so many guys and so many different reasons for liking a particular type of girl, I'm sure she connects with someone.

Good point. Content is king. That said, it should be qualified as "the right type of content for the right type of audience is king". Playboy, for example, has really impeccable production values but its drawback has always been the fact that certain market segments find it "too slick". That's why Hustler filled a niche.

Same with online adult. Not every surfer is looking for gonzo nor is every surfer looking for reality type content. While production value is good, production value in the service of a well positioned and well executed targeted marketing strategy is probably what will make the difference.

IMHO :)

IMO She's nice but nothing exceptional.

There are many reasons for the quality of models falling. But the main reason is most girls now know or believe that if they do porn or erotica they will end up on all the free sites and their family and friends will find out. This has led IMO to less and less girls new girls coming in and staying in the business. The problem is you can only shoot what turns up for castings.

The simple rule is the more attractive the girl and the better the quality of catching her action the better the sales. If you get average girls their performance and capture of it has to be above average to sell the same.

I wasn't talking about glam outselling next door...but hot girls outselling ugly girls. Next door girls can and have to be hot, too, to sell well.

For example Ellie at dirtyjason.com used to sell great, couldn't even compare her to the other scenes. She is very cute and has a top body, even though she looks amateurish. I even got tons of emails from surfers asking who she is and where can they find more of her.

There is a nut for every bolt. If you understand that, you would not make comments about ugly girls, because you would know that there are guys who like those ugly girls. If you don't know why that is, I'm not going to waste my time explaining it to you.

Put a Playboy level model in a Hustler strength scene and you have a winner. Then you need less marketing to get the same sales. The problem today is finding those girls.

I'm always amazed at the number of people on GFY who praise average looking girls as being "Hot" because she's showing her pussy, when she's just average.

This, thus is why there is a niche for everyone. Some people like the typical plastic blonde or 1 legged girls while others like normal looking girls and some will sign up for fat ugly bitches. So you pick your niche and be the best at it.

http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/i...50184c30fe.jpg

I really like this shot. I think its the captivating eyes that will draw them in. Beautiful.


Sabby:)

This is one of my favorite shots I use for my promos "the look"

http://www.imallboobs.com/niteflirt/callmenow.jpg

I'd love to be shot by a decent photographer. lol.


Sabby:)

The problem is tons of people are selling normal looking girls.

there is a market for everything. Still people want to see hot looking "natural" models

I didnt brush my teeth this morning... kisssy kissssssss. lol


Sabby:)

you got a point and I respect it

Thanks! Yes, I am sure its the EYES that will draw guys in to this shot :winkwink: Oh, and hit me up if you want to shoot, I am in SoCal :)

she is fucking hot :thumbsup

Google Justene Jaro for the REALLY good pics :thumbsup

there are a ton of incredible cute natural girls coming into the porn biz all the time - just check out FuckedHard18.com http://www.fuckedhard18.com - girls as cute as softcore solo site models and they fuck and suck their hearts out.

the quality of models and paysites has never been better - go back 10 years and see the shit that was available, there were a handful of quality paysites back then, now there are a ton of them covering god knows how many niches and micro-niches.

sales aren't down because the quality of model and content. some of the highest quality paysites and i won't mention them by name are seeing some of the worst sales drops.

the models being over exposed - that is an issue, and there isn't really a solution to that. some sites try to recruit their own models and they do get some but finding enough to update a site once a week - impossible. never seen a paysite that could exist on its own models without having to go the adult talent agency route. um..... well..... Abby Winters does it but look at the girls he shoots, talk about some ugly girls but he has a huge following of men who love the reality of his models and content. And Playboy does it but that's Playboy - there's only one Playboy. Not like there are girls in Nebraska dreaming of being a Twistys or FTVGirls model, as nice as those sites are.

There is a lot more reasons why some people here dont make any money other than just bad content, it goes a lot deeper than that.
shitty sales has very little to do with content. content is just a small part of the equation. And depending on the market you are advertising to, amateur type, self shot content will do better than the hi res airbrushed wall poster content you are selling. Every niche is different, there really is no junk. Even that crappy ass stuff that the dingo from aussie use to post on here had a niche.

probably best for you to stick to photography and not making money from advertising. What all surfers on the internet want does not = your perspective.

For adult mags i'll give you that content is king.

for everything else online traffic is king :winkwink: you can have the "best content" whatever that may be depending on who you advertising to, and it doesn't mean shit if you don't have any traffic. I've made lots of money off of what most people would think is shitty content. hell even back in the day I would photo shop content to make it worst (blurry / grainy) to make it look more amatuerish. Traffic and sales pitch is the most important part. Sure some content will do better than others, but it comes down to traffic, and the right pitch.