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papill0n 03-31-2010 10:20 PM

1. stop drinking

2. get out of the house

3. do some exercise, walking, anything

4. and yeah if you have to have a crutch stick to the alcohol and don't add drugs into things if you are feeling average about shit

papill0n 03-31-2010 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488 (Post 16996637)
when you get depressed read this. you will never be depressed again:

I am me.

In all the world, there is no one else exactly like me. There are people who have some parts like me but no one adds up exactly like me. Therefore, everything that comes out of me is authentically mine because I alone choose it.

I own everything about me- my body, including everything it does; my mind, including all my thoughts and ideas; my eyes, including the images of all they behold; my feelings, whatever they might be -- anger, joy, frustration, love, disappointment, excitement; my mouth and all the words that come out of it -- polite, sweet and rough, correct or incorrect; my voice, loud and soft; all my actions, whether they be to others or myself.

I own my fantasies, my dreams, my hopes, my fears. I own my triumphs and successes, and all my failures and mistakes.

Because I own all of me, I can become intimately aquainted with me. By doing so, I can love me and be friendly with me in all my parts. I can then make it possible for all of me to work in my best interests.

I know that there are aspects about myself that puzzle me, and other aspects that I do not know. But as long as I am friendly and loving to myself, I can courageously and hopefully look for the solutions to the puzzles and for to find out more about me.

However I look and sound, whatever I say and do, and whatever I think and feel at a given moment in time is me. This is authentic and represents where I am at that moment in time.

When I review later how I looked and sounded, what I said and did, and how I thought and felt, some parts may turn out to be unfitting, and keep that which proved fitting, and invent something new for that which I discarded.

I can see, hear, feel, think, say and do. I have the tools to survive, to be close to others, to be productive, to make sense and order out of the world of people and things outside of me.

I own me and therefore I can engineer me. I am me and I am okay.

nice one man, made a little text file out of that one :thumbsup

JaneB 03-31-2010 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DLXphil (Post 16995521)
just as easily as it can cure it, shrooms can also cause it. Its not medically proven, what youre saying is "bro-science"



Not with depression. They can make anxiety and panic attacks worse.

mayabong 03-31-2010 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by roly (Post 16995538)
there also proven to cause psychiatric problems.

Personally I think its impossible to have a bad experience on mushrooms if you're in nature. If you're in a city, ummm yeah not a good idea.


JaneB 03-31-2010 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ShellyCrash (Post 16996363)
Working out does release endorphines that do make you feel better. I should take this advice as well. :thumbsup




I know alot of guys that go through this very same thing. It's kind of like being stuck in a thought pattern, when it's a negative thought pattern it just takes over everything, like drop of dye in a bucket of water.

I don't know anyone who's been helped by anti-depressants. One of my friends gets anxiety w/ it and he takes Adivan when he has really bad days, but not as a daily dose (as docs reccomend), only when he's having a really bad day.

Booze is a depressant for some people and it's addictive, you don't want to add a drinking habit on top of anything, it will only make things worse. Some people self medicate with weed. It's not legal but I don't know anyone who's smoked themselves to death.

Honestly, since you can recognise that it's happening, I think you're already on the right path. The best advice is to just recognise what's happening and then let it run it's course. If you meet a chick you really dig let her know up front when you're having a good day that sometimes you have low days and when that happens you need your space, then when you're in a bad way let her know that it's one of those days. Some chicks will get it, some chicks won't, but you've got a better chance of them understanding if you've discussed it beforehand. :2 cents:



Anti-depressants have helped millions of people with mental disorders. I know a lot of people they have helped. In fact I know many people that work in adult that have been helped. They all seem to be taking Paxil or Prozac. They may not work for everyone, but to state they help no one is silly.

If your friend gets anxiety while on an SSRI, he should talk to his doctor. Anxiety is a listed side effect. I took Paxil and it worked well for me for my panic attacks. Only take meds when nothing else has worked. They are a bitch to get off of. :2 cents:

Sabby 03-31-2010 11:45 PM

Im bipolar. A nice cocktail of anti depresants, anti psychotics and mood stabalyzers will usually keep me on an even keel.

Alchol makes me do crazy things and I crash badly the next day but I still drink I find people are much more interesting when I drink.


Sabby:)

nico-t 04-01-2010 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by _andy_ (Post 16995478)
Alcoholism will most likely perpetuate your depression eventually. Try some sort of physical activity where you sweat profusely. That is better than any pill.

:thumbsup

VikingMan 04-01-2010 05:08 AM

Juicing lots of veggies on a daily basis saved me :thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

ajrocks 04-01-2010 08:33 AM

Booze is a depressant you need cocaine.

CruelMedia 04-01-2010 09:32 AM

funny how drugs and alcohol always help.. :thumbsup

ShellyCrash 04-01-2010 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by JaneB (Post 16996982)
Anti-depressants have helped millions of people with mental disorders. I know a lot of people they have helped. In fact I know many people that work in adult that have been helped. They all seem to be taking Paxil or Prozac. They may not work for everyone, but to state they help no one is silly.

That's not what I said, I was saying they haven't helped anyone I know. Paxil, Prozac, Lexapro, etc. I haven't seen any improvement from their use from any of my friends. These are people that don't deal with depression every day, but rather have almost like a roller coaster of effect where they will have good days / weeks, and then unexplicibly hit a bad patch of negative thoughts and feelings. Personally, I've never used antidepressents, but I've seen people I care about have a tough time with them, especially coming off Lexapro.

It's just my two cents from people who I know who have shared their experiences with me and who I've lent an ear and a shoulder to when they've needed it. People need to find what works for them.

smutnut 04-01-2010 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Sabby (Post 16996984)
Im bipolar. A nice cocktail of anti depresants, anti psychotics and mood stabalyzers will usually keep me on an even keel.

Alchol makes me do crazy things and I crash badly the next day but I still drink I find people are much more interesting when I drink.


Sabby:)

I'm betting I'm either bipolar or at least borderline, just because every time I try to stop self medicating, things are worse than if I fuck around once a week or maybe a little more. As long as I create the correct cocktails, I can usually keep things in check, cocktails being a mix of booze and certain uppers. I seriously don't like the idea of shrinks and prescription drugs. How could these possibly be tested right on the right people?

A friend's father in law who is a prominent shrink for the state in criminal affairs though said if I were bipolar I'd probably being hanging cats in my closet and stuff, so not sure on this. Also don't know if bipolar people do this or something stranger without actually being scizho or manic or something which I think is worse.

mayabong 04-01-2010 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 16995820)
Do you ingest foods with aspertame?

Diet drinks, foods with artificial sweeteners, etc?

Aspertame is known to cause deep depressions, and it is now in over 9,000 products we consume - often hidden under the catch phrase "natural and artificial sweeteners" or in other hidden statements.

It is a poison, but as it likely feeds the pharmaceutical companies ability to sell shitloads of anti-depressants, I guess it just keeps going!

Yes thanks donald rumsfeld

GrouchyAdmin 04-01-2010 09:51 AM

You're probably just self-medicating bipolar disorder.

I am, however, not a doctor. I'd suggest you talk to someone who doesn't spend too much time wanting to focus on your 'feelings' and wanting you to 'give the world a hug'; I'd also suggest against someone who wants to throw a pill at it and send you on your way.

JaneB 04-01-2010 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ShellyCrash (Post 16997978)
That's not what I said, I was saying they haven't helped anyone I know. Paxil, Prozac, Lexapro, etc. I haven't seen any improvement from their use from any of my friends. These are people that don't deal with depression every day, but rather have almost like a roller coaster of effect where they will have good days / weeks, and then unexplicibly hit a bad patch of negative thoughts and feelings. Personally, I've never used antidepressents, but I've seen people I care about have a tough time with them, especially coming off Lexapro.

It's just my two cents from people who I know who have shared their experiences with me and who I've lent an ear and a shoulder to when they've needed it. People need to find what works for them.




I agree people need to find what works for them. If your friends haven't tried a therapist, I would suggest one. They are good about helping you when you hit that bad patch. Plus they give you great tools to use when you are feeling down. I personally don't think anyone should be given SSRI's unless they are having issues every day with anxiety, depression, panic, etc.

I have heard mixed reviews about Lexapro. Coming off of any of them can be rough. They are not easy to ween off of. The SSRI that people seem to tolerate better is Prozac. I wish your friends well. They will find something that helps them in time.

JaneB 04-01-2010 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 16998012)
I'm betting I'm either bipolar or at least borderline, just because every time I try to stop self medicating, things are worse than if I fuck around once a week or maybe a little more. As long as I create the correct cocktails, I can usually keep things in check, cocktails being a mix of booze and certain uppers. I seriously don't like the idea of shrinks and prescription drugs. How could these possibly be tested right on the right people?

A friend's father in law who is a prominent shrink for the state in criminal affairs though said if I were bipolar I'd probably being hanging cats in my closet and stuff, so not sure on this. Also don't know if bipolar people do this or something stranger without actually being scizho or manic or something which I think is worse.



You may not be bipolar, but you could have a mood disorder. People with mood disorders tend to drink. If you don't like the thought of prescription drugs, you can still see a shrink to get diagnosed. They can't force you to take medication.

Bipolar people don't normally hang cats. A lot of times they hurt themselves.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bipolar_disorder

smutnut 04-01-2010 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by JaneB (Post 16998128)
You may not be bipolar, but you could have a mood disorder. People with mood disorders tend to drink. If you don't like the thought of prescription drugs, you can still see a shrink to get diagnosed. They can't force you to take medication.

Bipolar people don't normally hang cats. A lot of times they hurt themselves.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bipolar_disorder

I think the shrink was speaking figuratively and I am paraphrasing him and I think he meant I would have cats HANGING in my closet and not realize they were there, but that sounds way out there to me. When I read about bipolar it sounded like people who had nuclear good days and nuclear bad days and no inbetween, but again I'm assuming here.

MiLo 04-01-2010 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 16998012)
A friend's father in law who is a prominent shrink for the state in criminal affairs though said if I were bipolar I'd probably being hanging cats in my closet and stuff

Sounds like a top notch professional if he gives those sort of examples on mental illnesses.

Not.

Plenty of great advice on this thread though. You should get help and start feeling better.

:thumbsup

Agent 488 04-01-2010 10:39 AM

everyone is crazy in some way. that's what makes life interesting.

the people who are convinced they are totally normal are the most crazy motherfuckers i know.

get over yourself. who cares. it's not all about you.

CarlosTheGaucho 04-01-2010 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488 (Post 16995473)
going out and getting pissed and having a good time is better than moping around like an emo fag yes.

I lol'd

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smutnut 04-01-2010 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by MiLo (Post 16998211)
Sounds like a top notch professional if he gives those sort of examples on mental illnesses.

Not.

Plenty of great advice on this thread though. You should get help and start feeling better.

:thumbsup

Actually he was probably reassuring the friend that if I were going to do anything like torture and kill him or rape his wife, I probably would have done it by now or need a good reason.

Then again I'd have no problem doing that shit to certain people and would really have a good time with it WINK, WINK. :winkwink:

smutnut 04-01-2010 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488 (Post 16998218)

get over yourself. who cares. it's not all about you.

WINK, WINK :winkwink:

ottopottomouse 04-01-2010 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 16995820)
Do you ingest foods with aspertame?

They just rebranded Aspartame in Europe as AminoSweet because of the bad press.

Quote:

Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 16998204)
When I read about bipolar it sounded like people who had nuclear good days and nuclear bad days and no inbetween, but again I'm assuming here.

One of my friends is like that. Everyone calls him Happy Dave Sad Dave and like your assumption he really doesn't seem to have any neutral days.

Can you cure Clinical Depression with Alcoholism?

Don't know about curing it with alcoholism I would have thought that's just replacing one problem with another problem.

[ Nate ] 04-03-2010 09:44 AM

Step 1: Read books on positive thinking...EVERY DAY.
Step 2: Practice gratitude
Step 3: Realize that nothing really matters. No matter what you do, or don't do, its not going to matter. There is no great accomplishment or no great failure that anyone will know about in a million years so don't stress yourself out over it.
Step 4: About nothing mattering. Of course your IMMEDIATE well being matters and the well being and interaction of those you love. So do what you feel you must do to satisfy that need...but do it without tension, stress or frustration. Remember, you are only ALIVE right now. You might be dead in 10 minutes and the life you have lived until now is gone, as is the person who lived those moments.
Step 5: Realize your feelings of depression are only in this moment. You have the ability to change THIS moment for yourself...and yourself only. You have went through many moments just reading this and could have altered your state by now.
Step 6: Realize anything that has happened in the past is past...let it go.
Step 7: When feeling down, take a walk and focus on gratitude. Be thankful for what makes you happy in this life because soon it, and you, will be gone.

ottopottomouse 04-03-2010 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 17003410)
1. You might have a lack of vitamin "A". (or need more sun)

Vitamin D is the one made by your skin from sunshine.

papill0n 04-03-2010 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488 (Post 16998218)
the people who are convinced they are totally normal are the most crazy motherfuckers i know.

:2 cents: :2 cents: :2 cents:

NikKay 04-05-2010 11:00 AM

I think people should ALWAYS establish a healthy diet and exercise routine BEFORE going on medication... but of course some people would rather take the "easy" way out and just down a pill (or 10) everyday. I know there are people that have been legitimately helped by these meds but I cannot believe the number of people taking them couldn't fix their issues in a natural way.

When I'm feeling shitty, exercise is the #1 way to perk up. Alcohol is my #2. Exercise + alcohol = Holy Grail of anti-depressants. :) Some people get depressed when they drink - those people you see sobbing at the bar - and then others get happy. I'm sure daily drinking (habitual) would lead to bad things... but I see nothing wrong with elevating a shit day with a few beers in the sun.

Klen 04-05-2010 11:32 AM

I find hard to believe how you don't know what causing depression.Depression usually means how things which you usually do no longer gives you pleasure,but in my experience depression is caused because something what you used to enjoy it is no longer available,but you are not aware of it or you took it for granted.Best way to fix it,is to remember what exactly you did before in your life,so you can repeat those moments which brings best satisfaction.

CDSmith 04-05-2010 01:01 PM

As a temp bandaid solution alcohol can be great, at least for some. But since it is in itself a depressant it's never going to be a long-term solution. If you've got a real clinical depression going on your best to get it diagnosed properly and get on the right balance of medication to fix it, as well as look at ajdusting your diet to top up anything lacking there.

But I hear you, nothing like one bourbon, one scotch, and one beer to pull your head out of your ass once in a while. :D

SomeCreep 04-05-2010 03:58 PM

Yes, but only with certain types of alcohol. Mainly Vodka.

Socks 04-05-2010 04:37 PM

I went to a psych last year, and explained I would never take medicine to normalize my feelings. He agreed. I noticed he had a thick book on his desk and picked it up while he was out of the office. It was all about psych medicines. I noticed the name of the author.. He wrote the book! I was surprised that he agreed I didn't need medication, but he was a very nice calm indian guy, and I liked him, so I listened.

What stuck with me most of what he said was this. There are 5 things that are important to living a content life.

Sleep, food, family/friends, job/money, body/health.

If any of these things are very out of balance, you will be unhappy.

Farang 04-05-2010 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agent 488 (Post 16998218)
everyone is crazy in some way. that's what makes life interesting.

the people who are convinced they are totally normal are the most crazy motherfuckers i know.

get over yourself. who cares. it's not all about you.

:thumbsup

Doctor Feelgood 04-06-2010 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 16995439)
Serious question. Sometimes I'm so fucking down I can't even lift my arms to type, but I have a couple drinks (and maybe a snort or two of something), and I'm just fine.

Now I know there are all types of "supposed legit pharmasuetical" drugs on every commercial on every network show that can have me running around in the sunshine and acting a fool, but they all warn me I could start bleeding from the ass and my balls could explode.

I think it's safer to do stuff I know is bad for me and not fool myself.

NO, drinking makes depression worse dumbass.
im taking Celexa for my depression, Abilify for my bipolar and Trazodone to sleep.
I also have OCD and AS and PTSD.

try smoking a blast and call me in the morning :1orglaugh

Sabby 04-07-2010 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Doctor Feelgood (Post 17011617)
NO, drinking makes depression worse dumbass.
im taking Celexa for my depression, Abilify for my bipolar and Trazodone to sleep.
I also have OCD and AS and PTSD.

try smoking a blast and call me in the morning :1orglaugh

Smoking pot is the worst for me... paranoia overload lol. I did it once in last 20 years a month or so ago. horrible. Prolly bad mixed with the pills.


Sabby:)

smutnut 04-07-2010 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Doctor Feelgood (Post 17011617)
NO, drinking makes depression worse dumbass.
im taking Celexa for my depression, Abilify for my bipolar and Trazodone to sleep.
I also have OCD and AS and PTSD.

try smoking a blast and call me in the morning :1orglaugh

You have a lot of shit problems to find the sack to call someone else a dumbass! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Doctor Feelgood 04-07-2010 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Sabby (Post 17014988)
Smoking pot is the worst for me... paranoia overload lol. I did it once in last 20 years a month or so ago. horrible. Prolly bad mixed with the pills.


Sabby:)

pots bad too.
i ment smoke a blast (crack hit)

Sabby 04-29-2010 09:37 PM

Anyway Im not an addictive person.. if anything.. I have trouble staying interested :(



Sabby:)


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