how many of you still promote max hardcore?

I need to get my hands on that type of cash.

If you do don't store it in your house. Wouldn't be surprised if that was more like $80 or $100k before FDLE handled it :winkwink:

Duh. Only a tard would promote any program with such baggage now - FORGET ABOUT NOT PAYING OTHER WEB MASTERS!

Grow up. Move on.

People are legitimately concerned whether or not they will be paid for their marketing efforts, efforts that cost time and money. How is that the same as "kicking someone while they are down"?

I think you misunderstood his statement.

He was being sarcastic about the fact that people are ready to drop him even though everyone is STILL receiving payments... while he's down... meaning, while he's in all this legal BS... leaving his program, reducing his overall revenue, just as he's hurting...

I do promote his sites and will continue to. Now is when he needs the support and sales to help with the legal bills. He`s been around for a long time and has people to run his business if something should happen, I`m not worried!

I get paid on time..

:thumbsup :pimp

Anyone that promotes them that doesn't consult with an attorney about whether or not to continue promoting them is completely irresponsible about his or her business, imo.

While your peers might have good or bad advice, unless you know for a fact or trust the opinion of good counsel whether you are liable or not for promoting what potentially will be considered child porn in this case, you are playing with serious fire. And don't say, "oh well I live in a country where 17 is legal so I don't have to worry" because unless you want to spend the rest of your days there you travel options may become seriously limited.

my howigotrich stats are like 0:900000000

Are we in this business to help people? I am in this business to help myself and my partner. There is no fucking way that you can deny all the sponsors closing doors for lesser reasons then he will have to face.

:2 cents:

I've been reading about this for a long while now and that would be my response too.
In fact, anyone who is an adult webmaster and hasn't consulted with an attorney about their business, even before the Dirty D issue became public knowledge is playing with fire, whatever country they live in.

I have no idea whether D is guiilty of these charges or not, but imho the outcome of this case and the publicity it could get, win or lose, is another nail in the adult coffin. :(

I wouldn't, but only because the name sounds like a scam. :P

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Give it up - you haven't a chance of using smoke and mirrors in here to defend DirtyD. :2 cents:

I'm sure he has more than enough money to buy coffee, Cups Of Soup, and Honey Buns

No... that isn't what I meant... I meant starting threads that will inevitably bring more attention to it in an effort to just kick him some more... and in all honesty, ripping the scab off of the sore that hurts us all in the larger scheme of things. I don't promote HIGR and never have... I don't run hardcore sites and never have... so I don't have any skin in the game other than the fact that we should be conducting ourselves like businessmen/women instead of piranha.

No, I wouldn't push them. Wasn't really sure of him, so I steered clear of him.

This odd. Who the fuck is going to keep $60k CASH in their house? I keep some cash in my house that is in the thousands of dollar range, but not enough to buy a fucking car in cash. That's creepy. If you've got that much cash in your house your doing something shady.

This is a guy who has been around the legal block. He knows what he is talking about. Being paid on time is not the issue. Being busted is. I am not a legal genius, but I would never stick my neck out for a few grand a month....even if it is paid on time. That kinda sounds like what a retainer would cost.

" It is unsinkable. God himself couldn't sink this ship."

So the owners of clubseventeen now can't travel the world anymore? Why is that exactly?

Huh? Do they shoot 17 year olds? Just curious.

Probably not, with these kinds of issues.

Is it even a question about whether or not to promote a Dirty D site?

The irony is that this whole stink arguably started from a monster thread about him not paying an affiliate due to breach of a phantom rule in his TOS.

I couldn't do your job. I have a hard time endorsing anyone other than myself. A lot of people are just crooked to start with, then there are situations where people you thought were great turn out bad when times get tough. Look at the Aga / N3tPOND situation. Guy had a great reputation for 15 years, he gets into a legal battle, times get tough and he uses affiliate money to pay his legal bills.

You come in and have to try to paint a turd and make it look pretty. You endorse them and try to tell everyone it will be ok, nothing is wrong... for what a couple hundred dollars a month? In all honesty there is a very high chance that HIGR's affiliates will end up not getting paid at some point. He will either end up in jail and program will be closed, lose his merchant account, use the money to pay his legal fees, etc... chances are something bad is going to happen.

You are paid to try to spin it and make good "PR", but I just don't know how you can do it. When he sinks and all of his affiliates get screwed and he disappears you are going to be the one left behind to get the full brunt of shit from everyone who didn't get paid. That is a lot of abuse and reputation trashing for how ever much you are getting paid to put your neck on the line for HIGR. I know you are not responsible and you are just "doing your job" but we both know that 95% of the people who will get screwed will lump you in with Dirty D and tear into you. Especially if he disappears and you are the only one around for them to vent to.

aren't all of the girls 18 or older on that site ?

My bad, I thought the legal age is 17 in NL, it actually really is 18.

Cool, just read this and you answered your own question before I got to it.

My payments have been arriving on time and I know that they will continue to do so.

no way :stop

Homegrown Video takes a stand
 

Friends, bros, fellow webmasters lend me you ear...

You always see people say "so and so is going to bring down the industry because they went too far". For me, those people and the situations they get into and the consequences they face as a result are far less of a problem than the masses of people that only care if they are still getting a paycheck from xyz-about-to-be-in-serious-hot-water-companies. Those industry "bad guys" are very isolated compared to the masses of affiliates that tend to support them enthusiastically with zero concern about anything but whether or not they are going to get paid on time.

Friends come out to support HIGR, and say, "this is an honorable program because they paid on time". Who is to say otherwise? For any program that pays is of course just and true and right... Affliates say, "this is a great program because they convert like mad and I make more money" and who is to say that they are wrong? Are we not all here to make a decent wage and be our own Caesars?

But who still asks, "Does any of that make it ok to shoot a performer that is under 18?"

If you are an affiliate and not concerned with anything but whether or not you are still going to get paid by a company that allegedly worked with an underage performer then all I can say is you certainly are not part of the solution you are part of the problem. Beware the Ides of March, because you are the ones that will have played a part in supporting and profiting from such affiliations and you are the ones that may be liable for thinking all that matters is whether or not you are getting paid.

But you have nothing to fear, right? Because you are such honorable friends, bros, webmasters and your program always paid... on time...:2 cents:

Harry, D is not in jail, he turned himself in, was processed, then bonded out with $200k and released. A FAR different experience than when YOU were raided by the Politizi in Holland for suspicion of CP. Remember that? 2 days in jail and all your computers seized except the one you gave me to use? Did you ever get your hardrive back by them?

The allegations surrounding D is just as offbase as the charges you were arrested on. The girl in question had no idea that all of this drama had taken place because she has been busy currently and actively performing in the industry (she's on several companies tours now).

The party that is responsible for starting all this drama has come forward and admitted to sending everything anonymously to the police and is no way related to the girl, stating that his only intention to doing everything was to exact revenge on D and his crew for humiliating him in front of one of the girls he had brought to Dirty D, after D pointed out that his (the suitcase pimp's) casting couch practices was not a cool way to conduct business and is misleading to the girls who are only seeking agent representation. To tell a girl the only way she could get work is by fucking him first is not a good way to get a new performer off on the right foot.

D even told him that he should just bring the girl, and if he really wanted to get his dick sucked, he could be part of the shoot.

Ironically, the suitcase pimp and "Brittany", had nothing to do firsthand with the shoot in question. Dirty D has shot HUNDREDS of models of legal age, all who sought to be on his sites. Logically, why would ANY owner of a successful program risk everything on a performer if he knew she was 17. She provided a valid drivers license and filled out her release, status quo. There was no indication that anything was awry.

When the story broke in 2008 that she had been performing under false information, HIGR pulled all of her content and informed all of the affiliates that any links to her has been replaced by another model.

Since then, HIGR has continued to produce and pay affiliates consistently. The matter with Shoehorn was a dispute about SH buying keywords that made his listings appear higher than the organic SEO DD had in place. It got ugly, but ultimately Shoehorn was paid.

Since the story broke last month about this legal drama, affiliates have continued to get paid as they have for the last 10 years+. Dirty D thanks his HIGR affiliates for continuing to promote the program and welcomes his new affiliates as well.

Thanks for your concern Will, and indeed, I am one of the first points of contact for D as well as my other clients. If I had any indication that this was not a valid position to take, to stand behind a client who has consistently paid his affiliates for over a decade but wouldn't pay going forward, I'd be the first one to end the contract. I am careful who I take on to represent whether its on the PR front or just B2B.

I stood by Dirty D not just as a business associate, but as a friend. I know that his payment processes are sound, and his business is intact. His company paid affiliates (as well as myself) even during his absence (while he was in EU). I've done business with Dirty D for several years now, and know that he takes his company, life, and freedom seriously and would not risk any of that by knowingly shooting someone who is 17 even if she was turning 18 in a matter of days or even hours.

I take care in protecting my company by the clients I do business with, and although I do a lot of projects with various companies and contract only a few, I refrain from doing business with companies who conduct bad business practices because it doesn't help me or my clients. I hope someday we get a chance to meet, so you can see first hand that I'm pretty straightforward, almost to a fault. I have nothing to gain by promoting just anyone nor do I need money that badly that I would do so.

Based on your babbling in this thread, Dirty D should do two things. Fire you. Fire his lawyer.

Your honor,
Now there is a strong legal defense. JD, I can't believe you call yourself a pr specialist. Do you refer to the sixth grade as your senior year?

Jenn, take my advice and alter your posting.
I have the truth on file here, and you`re not going to get away clean :)

I give you around 30 minutes

life isnt fair. I think the way he asked it was fair enough..I actually think he was very polite considering the circumstances. He could have just said said "after all of the shit thats going on, should i still bother keeping them in my database for my tube software"

Jenn, your time is almost up

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