they must be hurting for money.
I received a dozen spam emails about their newly launched gfrevenge

uh yeah....go after affiliates....forget the tubes. durrrrrr

I would rather use a parking service and kill the domain's traffic than sending it to them. But I even won a domain case against a huge travel agency(I use their trademarked name), so I can't imagine anyone losing a domain case since then.

their argument is your money made in the last period and a couple of days of current one ;-)

NastyDollars has forced me to give them many domains. Not only domain names with their trademark, but also others. They have only a few trademarks, but they take any domain with one of their site name?s in it. If you don't want to have your account closed, you have to give them all the domains that they want. Also you should know that they copied my sites with HTTtrack and put them on their server. They only replaced my ref code to their?s. It concerns my doorways, TGPs, blogs. Now they use my designs and text that I pay to designers/writers for.

Totally and utterly fucked up right there. :mad:

That's even more fucked up if that is indeed what they are doing.

man i know your work and exactly the same is happenning to me right now. i dont want to talk more till i did not receive reply from nd, but something really smells ... :2 cents:

nevermind

They did the same thing to me, copied my complete sites changing only the ref code.

Ok so here's the thing folks...

In order for someone to sue you and take a domain you have they must have a mark on the entire name...

e.g. bestxxxporn.com

The entire thing... Trademarked... That's the only way for them to have 100% legal grounds to do so... and that's only if you don't have prior art (I believe). It gets trickier when you start talking about just bestxxxporn without the .com... However, there is no judge that will rule in favor of me taking someone else's domain that has that within the name (e.g. mybestxxxporn.com, ibestxxxporn.com) ...

Sounds like they're using a bunch of scare tactics and cash to unlawfully usurp domains... of course, if you sign it over to them, it's theirs lawfully...

It sounds like they

some of the biggest companies i thought were rock solid are consolidating and cutting staff and making late payments so anything is possible.

That sucks, great info BestPornXXX...

Seriously man, I don?t know you, but how DARE you come on this board and try to educate people, use common sense and try to calm people down by explaining how business works. People here don?t want that....they want to talk shit, not business. They want to talk drama, not strategy.

Im sure you are wrong and a company like ND isn?t doing it for the reasons you've stated. Im sure a company that has for many yrs made many, many , many millions of dollars a yr has gotten around the conference table and decided that they should do this not to protect their brands, but for the sole purpose of making people mad.

In case anyone needs the link to explain what Im talking about above, here ya go http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sarcasm

If they have actual trademarks on the names then they have every right. If not, why would you hand over the domains? Send the traffic to similar sites at other sponsors. Not rocket science.

Andrej, I check the WIPO cases on a daily basis... winning a domain case is rare.

and you would get your ND account killed then.
its better to give them what they want in my case...

I never promoted them much, but yes, if I did, I would be fucked.

well that will make some webmasters angry and they gonna register future domains just to fuck with SERPs on nasty's sites ;-)

can you post that link again? Was that a list of the sites they are trying to take over? Where was that hosted.... on one of nastydollars servers????

Don't you think them taking the domains then keeping the design is shady? They are obviously just fucking the person over that took the time to get a good position in the search engines.

If they want the domains, fine. But they have no right to keep someone else's site design.

Wow, so are they even keeping the WM id?

I could understand that they may want control over the domains like server wise, but to rip them from the WMs is another story.

Still to this day at TopBucks we allow people to register similar domains as ours. We even have one guy that registered all of our mobile domains with .mobi.

As long as they promote us we are fine with it. I find it so odd that companies are alienating webmasters.

nasty is fucking up big time and creating many enemies in the process. times are changing

2009 - Add noindex/nofollow and canonical urls to 95% of our landing pages and paysites, lets effective REMOVE all affiliate links from the google index, and 'sculpt' our own paysites to the top spots.

2010 - Let's peel all domains that may seem to infringe on our trademarks. Not all of them, just select ones, we only want the ones with good earnings, or that look appealing to us.

2011 - Fuck it, dump affiliates all together, dont be shocked, we've been working towards this for the last few years.

so i can add topbucks as another program to promote?
swank and sextronics too...

Yes, our goal is to help our affiliates send traffic and help convert that traffic to sales. If there is something that you need from us that is out of the normal, let us know. We love trying new things and are very open-minded.

I need to save that statement somewhere just in case

this is bad news for a few of my friends. Luckily I sold most of my trademark domain sites a while back. I would be really pissed

this is how it should be. no the honest webmasters not stealing their content and sending them sales and solely promoting them get fucked. the guys with the tubes who steal their content and dont promote them still keep going right along. I suggest everyone whos getting bent over by ND by this show them they made the wrong choice. Join the other side pirate their content and open huge tubes and give their shit away for free and promote dating sites with their domain names in it. host overseas and let their fucking lawyers have a hay day.

Looks like I will be switching most my energy on TopBucks sites from now on...

Our belief is that if we weren't smart enough to register it, free game. (Just as long as you promote us)

When TB first launched, we actually didn't buy any misspells or .biz, .net, etc because we wanted the WMs to register them to promote us. It worked.

We still continue this biz model - and hell, we'll even host it for you!

there is affiliate life outside of porn.

Hit any of us up if you need anything ...

ICQ#: 147-945-440
kristin @ topbucks.com

maybe there was it looks like

Nastydollars Here!!
 

Hey Guys. We understand all of your concerns and as always we want to work together with all of you to find a mutually beneficial arrangement. Please feel free to contact us directly.

Nastydollars
[email protected]
ICQ: 266736716

now that's more like it. that's the guys I thought you were all along.. I understand people taking advantage of trademarks and causing havoc.. but there has to be a happy medium for both you guys and the webmasters. We work together to make money and as long as you have honest hard working affiliates and a sponsor who puts out great content and sites we should be able to work together and make money for both parties. hopefully ND will treat everyone right I think they will now after seeing people upset by this. props to ND for responding and atleast saying you are willing to work with us.

They have a whole squad of in house seo people.

a solution would be to transfer the domains to them but they leave your site (and user id's) as-is.

No offense, I am not one to get in the middle of you trying to pull some affiliates off this apparent opportunity, but the fact of the matter is that if the owner(s) of your company saw that it was in their best interests and it made business sense to do the same thing that Nasty is doing then they would do it in a heartbeat and you would be here trying to explain why things changed.

No disrespect, but I would even go a bit farther to say that this post is very detrimental to the protection of your company's copyrights and trademarks. :2 cents:

How much does it really matter if it is? Lets think about it...

You can use it and promote someone else's program... They take you to court... The judge sees Top Buck's argument that they have been allowing certain advertisers to use the mark for promotional reasons. This other guy isn't an advertiser of the product associated with the mark. The judge rules that the guy either can advertise the site in question or give the mark to Top Bucks. It is pretty plain and simple...

And now lets look at the likelihood of someone using something like HerFirstBigCock and sending the traffic to Monster Cock Junkies. The surfer was searching for Her First Big Cock and doesn't really care for MCJ. So the conversions would be less than to send it to TB. It'd make NO SENSE!

So now lets say the owner of MCJ buys a domain for HFBC and he sends it to his own site. Somehow he gets #1 in Google. Now TB contacts their domain squatting affiliates and puts a price on their head. Instead of paying a lawyer 1000's they pay an affiliate $1000 to beat the other guy or get TB's own domain to #1...

And for the record... If you own a site and you cannot beat your affiliates to #1, you have something seriously wrong with your linking codes, etc... Cause getting #1 is pretty fucking easy since 95% of your affiliates have 1000's of links into your domains.

BTW, these programs all own their trademarks for their logos, site names, etc and copywrites to their content... Yet somehow they allow you to use it all to promote them. A domain name is NO DIFFERENT than your logo!

There is also this to think about:
No judge involved or any of these other scenarios: If TopBucks (or anybody else) doesn't actively protect a trademark they lose it. Not that the govt. goes around searching for every trademark in the world...

But, let's say that Top Bucks goes after a pirate (as they are doing right now in court). The pirate lawyers point out that TB doesn't protect their trademarks. Probably isn't going to win the case for the pirates...but it DOES put TB's trademarks at risk of being default.

That was my thinking in my earlier posts on this subject. Everybody needs to get their ducks in a row as far as trademarks go. There is a legal battle going on and it just doesn't make any sense to me to take a risk of losing your trademark over affiliates who use domain squatting as promotion.

You could lose everything if you're not careful.

If I were a company like Nasty Dollars or Naughty America and I had an affiliate who actually sent joins and had done so for many years...I would work out a deal to have the domain transferred to me and sign an agreement allowing that affiliate to continue to run that domain and promote the program.

That would seem like a fair balance to satisfy the trademark owners responsibilities and at the same time not hurt a long standing affiliate.

I also don't think it would be that difficult to do. There probably aren't a handful of affiliates making sales of any consequence at this point in time anyway due to the fact that piracy has made all paysites content available for free out there. So it shouldn't be that hard for a company to take each on a case by case basis, check their stats, and make a determination to play ball or just take the domain (in cases where the affiliate has never been successful with it)

Are all you guys telling me you are not hiding your traffic sources? If not you should start asap.

:2 cents:

here is the repost of mail:

Dan from Nastydollars here. Our legal department has been going
through Trademark Infringements against our sites and the following
domains were found to be infringing.

domains named here

Due to the fact you are an active affiliate and have been with us for
some time, I have persuaded Legal to give me the chance to reach out
to you directly before any legal action is taken. We request that the
above domains be transferred to us and hope that we can continue to
work together. A response from you is requested within 3 days or your
account with Nastydollars will be suspended. Look forward to hearing
from you.

Thank you,

Did anyone ever hear back from NaughtyAmerica after contacting them to facilitate transferring domains to them?

What kind of domains are they going after? Variations or blatant typos?

I was told ANYTHING with a ND site name in the url

Then they aren't thorough enough I guess

You can add Paper Street Cash to that list.


It's impossible to fuck anyone over when you're focused on quality.:2 cents: