Great concept and yes its live

I think the online adult industry in general has been sleeping over the last few years in terms of technology use, in other words we are not innovating/creative anymore.

Everyone is offering the same stuff using the same business models and adapts new things from the mainstream sector while in the past is was the other way around.

I case of MFC, Leo is a smart guy and did a hell of a job in such a short time bringing MFC where it is. As a premium webmaster for many cam sites he provided quality traffic and after a while he launched MFC, in other words genius thinking.

In his business model there is no place for affiliates because he don't need them and he is the one and only affiliate, that's why he can offer amateur performers and studios high payouts.

If someone should get an Xbiz Award then he should get it!

About the product MFC, for wankers/visitors this is perfect but its not good if girls stuffing dildos for free in their asses. In other words it harms the earnings of other performers and studios.

Tipping models and showing stuff is good, it will make other surfers hungry to see more or eventually pull their creditcard.

I'm personally living in the centre of this whole webcam business in Central EU and hear many stories from studios/girls who are not making money because all of this while 1 year ago they made top notch money on MFC.

They are all begging for attention and doing whatever it takes to get it. Competition will only benefit the consumer.

I just watched 30 minutes of a top cam... 10 tips at least of 600 tokes at 0.05$ /token! That's 300 bucks in 30 minutes alone... holy shit :-)

Leo, hook me up with your affiliate beta will you if you read this?

do they do request or even talk to you much for free? or do you need to pay them to get them to talk to you and do things you want to see?

So basically you like watching porn videos with the perception that it is live vs being recorded as the only difference. You are obviously not some one who pays per minute for private cam shows or you would understand how this will not take away from cam sales, at least not enough for any one of us to notice.

See this thread: http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/958239-webcam-sites-serious-fucking-trouble.html

lol seriously, it could be recorded for all you know. How is this really that much different than a tube site full of webcam clips? because there is 1000 idiots chatting and the girl is chatting back to some of them who are paying her. How is this experience really any different for you than if you watched a recorded video on a tube site ?

that is $30 not $300

working not for me :D

Ok, so being THE WORST at math ... and I mean absolutely nothing with this other than what it is ... cause im so so bad at math myself

600 tokens @ $.05 x 10 tips = $300 (600 tokens @ $.05 = $30)

sorry to go off topic, I just couldn't resist the urge to correct here, as I am usually the one who is facepalming due to bad math LOL

(this is why i have a calc with me at all times lol)

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It is an innovative way to allow the people who typically can not afford to spend $3 a minute on a private cam show to have a little control for a couple seconds. It is a good way to capitalize on the market of surfers who typically would never be a traditional ppm cam site member. At the same time very few people who appreciate private, one on one attention, control, etc... would stop being a ppm cam member to go over to a crowded room with 1000s of idiots chatting at the same time.

Basically, its like a strip club. You have the high rollers who go the private room and others who have the money to afford lap dances. Then you have everyone else who can barely afford the cover and one drink minimum all around the stage handing out dollars to the girl hanging from the pole. Lap dances and private rooms, escorts, etc... didn't all go out of business because of stage shows.

MFC did do a good job by finding a way to tap a bigger part of the market and make money from volume.

actually it is more of a grammatical error on his part when you say " 10 tips at least of 600 tokes at 0.05$ /token! I read it as there was 10 tips made during the 30 mins that totaled for 600 tokens. meaning each "tip" was worth 60 tokens. If he would have said " 10 tips made, Each of them being 600 tokes at 0.05$ /token! " that would have then meant to me 10x600x.05

but whatever ;)

I totally agree with you.

Freeloaders are totally different compared with members who what's to have some nice 1:1 time with a girl and are willing to spend good money for it.

Each site has its own strategy and business model. Most of the cam sites are aiming on having as much models online while they are mostly working on X sites at the same time.

My personal aim/target is more focussed on quality instead of quantity using some new technology and trying a different approach.

Nothing on cam4 is pre recorded, its all amateurs so you're going to get some fuglys.

Yes, most of them are highly engaged with the audience in free chat. The genius of MFC is the flexibility of the system. You can take any girl for 1 on 1 private at any time just like you would a tradition ppv cam site. You can also enter into a group mode whereby a few customers can split the cost of a private. Girls can also perform in free chat instead of private and are usually rewarded with tips. What the camgirls like about the system is that they get to choose how they want to get paid. Some girls only do private and won't show in free chat, while others refuse to do privates and rely solely on tips from performing in free chat. The girls who seem to make the most generally start off showing tits and teasing in free chat and the tips start flowing in to show more or to do things like squirt or get in the shower. MFC also allows girls to promote their own sites, so girls will perform and broadcast their own url in chat or watermark it to their cam.

I've been monitoring MFC for the last year, its actually been around a lot longer than that. What I've noticed is there is a large drop off in earnings after about the top 15 girls, although this generally applies to most cam networks. MFC has a rating system whereby the higher rated models are pushed to the front of the list and are seen first. Many of the lesser attractive girls will sit in free chat mode refusing to show and they won't get a private for hours and are usually gone within a couple of months. I've also seen very average girls who would probably make next to nothing on a traditional cam network, make a killing on MFC because they are willing to do hardcore shows for free and they rake in the tips.

Over the last six months, I've watched at least 20 of the top camgirls from a variety of networks jump ship and try MFC. Most notably, I've seen 6 of the top earners on a long time well known cam site come to MFC recently. I've watched girls perform their weekly 1 hour show for Camz which they do free to market their own site, while simultaneously broadcasting the show on MFC and take in tips. I've seen lots of custom scripts made to compete with MFC, but nobody has been able to bring anything substantial to the table that I've seen. I'm just surprised that none of the well established cam programs haven't put out a similar product, probably because it would greatly conflict with their existing main site.

i say LOL and WOW and THANKS !

i've just spent 4 hours on myfreecams... good stuff

I remember when Keezah the creator of Pornhub said that the next huge things was free cams and that the tube boom was over. Guy is fucking smart you gotta admit. Even if he did fuck us all in the ass for the most part.

How much skim does operator take? How do they verify the girls are legal?

I am guessing here but I would say 40% is what is taken.

That's what I would... and will, take when I get something like that up.

They do the whole scanned photo id's, i have an account on there and while it said it takes "24+ hours to verify" I got verified instantly. I do not think they really enforce it much, I see a lot of fake pictures on profiles on there, I know a few of the camwithhergirls (or ex cwh girls) work on that site also under different names and make good money, but they get fucked big time when they do any hardcore in free chat, they get suspended for i dunno how long and get some of their earnings taken away. It is also a 50% split..

I really wasn't impressed with MFC. Too many lurkers and models pandering for tips, and in some cases I thought (but could not verify cause the model wouldn't respond) were pre-recorded vids. Overall I thought it provided a negative user experience. If you're there for the the free stuff, then it's awesome, but if you want some individual attention, forget about it... MFC has a good setup, but there's def room for improvement. That's just my two cents...

Spamx!
Jack

So you can only tease on free chat and all hardcore has to be in private?

I have heard there is this test....

I don't want to give away any industry secrets but it involves shoes.

http://shoesonheads.com/wp-content/u...oe_on_head.png

It is the only way you can truly know for sure. :1orglaugh

So who makes the script? Everybody wants one now im sure. :)

That is the "rule" they only enforce after the fact, or if model a hates on model b and goes and cries i guess =\ i heard some models complaining about it in their chat rooms a few times.

You sound like someone who would pay for a private show. While some girls offer private shows, as LazyCash pointed out, the rest of the site is as you experienced it. 100's of people in the same room, no way the girl could talk to all of them even if she wanted to, her focused on tips. IE. people who can't afford, nor care about doing a private show. And a lot of free loaders who get excited because some dude named Joe gave the girl 100 tokens to take her shirt off. btw, joe would have never spent a penny in his life on a regular ppm site.

MFC makes a lot of money, because it found a good segment of the market to appeal to. The only people who think a site like this will kill all ppm cam sites is someone who obviously doesn't understand ppm cam sites and isn't a regular user of them.

this isn't chat roulette or cam4, you need to know a little more about cam sites then just throwing some programming on a page and sending traffic to it. PPM Cam sites are the hardest sites out there to do.

What if one wanted to take a serious look at it? Any scripts or advice?

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Good post. Paysites have been stuck in the mud with no thought of what they sell other than getting more people to view it and say no. This could of been inside paysites years ago why isn't it? Ask sponsors without live shows. www.paulmarkhamteens.com includes them.

Are they fullup?

I got this page this morning.

Unless being in CZ bans me from viewing it. :(

Said it before in yet another thread about MFC, but I'll repeat here anyway:

MFC is to McDonald's what premium chat sites are to fine restaurants. Some want cheap, fast good, others want the full dining experience. There will always be a market for both and neither is going to put the other out of business.

True. It will screw sites offering a McDonald's level to porn and put the better ones on a firmer footing.

whatever the policy...
 

There is a lot of DP et. al. on the free part of MFC. Personally I think they are raking. I see quite a few porn girls there. Several girls actively promote their paysites and surfers tip for hardcore clips. If they keep that open market feel and continue to let the girls be entrepreneurial they'll continue to do well. It's about being the meta-market, right?

You can show everything in free chat, but supposedly insertion and other hardcore acts should be in private. However, I've seen just about everything in free chat, so I suspect its as DT said, where they let most of it slide.

Yes some countries are banned from viewing.

You can take any of the girls private at any time, unless the model does not want to go private (which is rare). Generally, only about the top 5-10 girls on the list at any given time will have over 100 in their room. Scan down the list and you'll find most have less than 10 people in their room and you can get an immediate dialogue going. Many of the girls turn off chat from "basics", which refers to those who are on the site as a guest or the very bottom tier registration.

Some of you seem to be suggesting that the traditional ppv customer can't get the same experience on MFC and I disagree. I view MFC not as a cheap cut down version, but a more advanced version of the traditional ppv model. The models have more flexibility to do what works for them and the customer has more flexibility to spend how he wants to. I've talked to customers on MFC that have spent well over 5k without ever going private because they enjoy rewarding the camgirl for her efforts and making everyone else happy also.

reminds me of the guy that had a great idea, he said why bail out the banks with 700 million dollars when you can take 300 million bucks and give every one of the 300 million americans a million bucks

i think the best course of action is to dismiss outright whatever one cannot understand.

I probably would have used that analogy a year ago with MFC, but not now. Their site and system have been refined and the quality of their models is greatly improved. I will certainly concur with you on the "less expensive" aspect, but at MFC you can also still get the full dining experience as you put it. I do think that MFC is somewhat of a threat to traditional ppv cam sites, simply put, they offer the same thing and more.

They might propose a threat to other cam sites from the aspect of getting more market share and hurting other sites profits, but they don't pose a threat to the pay per minute model of going private and personal attention. There will always people people who only want to do private shows and not do group shows.

I haven't spent as much time on myfreecams as much as you have but the time I have spent there it gave me the impression that it is popular for people who are 1, looking for something for free, 2, will spend but don't have a lot of money. Basically the "non premium" spenders on the net. The middle to lower class spenders. Sure some people hit their site and do go private and spend lots of money because then can. Sites like cam4 offer free to get the traffic then upsell with ads. MFC's keeps it all in house, they offer free to get the traffic, then offer multiple ways for people of all income levels to spend.

However, myFREEcams i believe will always carry the stigma of being a site for the lower end spenders and people looking for free. While you are 100% right they do offer the ability to do private shows, the basis of the site is the free shows and tipping. That's their niche, that is the people they attract. They will get some potential big spenders mixed in through the door that they will then upsell to themselves with private shows vs upselling them to ads like a cam4 would do.

I like my analogy I made earlier of a strip club but can alter it a little based off what you and I said in the last couple posts.

MFC is like a strip club that offers no cover, no drink minimum, and when you come in there is a large group of guys crowed around a stage with a couple girls dancing on it. Some guys with a fist full of ones, others just kicking back watching. If you want to go to a private room or get a lap dance you can then make your way through the crowd grab one of these girls and go in the back with them.

Tradional PPM Cam sites are like a strip club that has a $10 cover, 1 drink minimum and no pole dancers. You walk into a quiet place, find your favorite girl and go right to the private room and have fun with her. If you want to chat before or after you can do so in a nice quiet setting.

Typically, if given the choice between the two, the people with a good bit of money to spend are going to go to the place just for people like them. Where they know the girls aren't pandering to the masses and giving anything away free. For most of the bigger spenders its the mentality, the power trip, that they know they are doing what a lot of people can't do. That this is "their girl" and not some two bit chat host begging for tokens so 100 guys can see her tits.

Maybe I can't explain it as good as I like but i have received great feed back from some big whales over the years and with these guys they don't want cheap, don't want to be around cheap, want what everyone else can't have etc... SO i just don't see a lot of them (if given the choice) to go to a site like MFC to try to find girls there to take private. I think they would stick to more traditional ppm sites.

The people you saw spend $500 on tips to girls on MFC, they would have done the same on a ppm cam site. A lot of ppm cam sites don't offer this among other things to allow the guys to give the girls "extras". But they should. So many ppm cam sites miss the boat on several other features they can offer to make more money.

I'm not knocking MFC, i think its a great concept, but I don't see them excelling in every sector of the cam niche. I think they are carving out a great area in between a cam4.com and a cams.com . They will make some money from private shows, but I see their bread and butter from the group shows and tips from free shows.

I would change his analogy slightly to saying MFC is like Mc Donalds, that also offers steak sandwiches. Most people go there for the cheap burgers, and some might get the steak sandwich, but most people who want a good steak isn't going to eat at Mc Donalds to get one.

There is nothing wrong with McDonalds they make a shit load of money.

I agree with just about everything in your post and your strip club analogy is good. I know MFC isn't going to threaten the bigger cam sites as just another ppm site. The cam customer who likes to develop a mini relationship with the model, get to know her and become her regular spender probably would only be mildly interested in MFC. I do think the segment of the cam audience that gets all worked up randomly stumbling upon a model and pays simply to see the model undress and perform would be highly interested in MFC and would realize he can now get for free or at a steep discount what he was paying much more for before.