I think some of you are missing the OP's point.

It's not that MFC does or doesn't have a brilliant model. Or that the model benefits consumers, the girls, and the program itself. Or that there will always be whales willing to pay $100s or $1000s a month on private cam shows.

Rather, it's that MFC is giving away more free explicit content in its free delivery, and is clearly being successful at its business. So, it's only a matter of time before other cam sites do the same, only more, in order to be competitive.

The tubes should have taught us a lesson: this is a business of one-upmanship, to the point of shitting where you eat. Today, MFC may have a great model, but in a year when 20 other cam operators are doing the same, only showing more and more for free, that's the problem. At first tubes seemed like a good idea, too.

It's been pointed out MFC doesn't have an affiliate program, because they don't need to. So imagine more and more free cams, showing increasingly explicit content to get the business, and few of them with an affiliate model.

Where does this leave the affiliate marketer? I guess extolling the virtues of someone else's idea. Certainly not able to make any money off it.

Well the difference is live girls... it's hard to steal live girls and put them on a site without them making money. Not enough money to keep the girls happy in advertising/tube model.

Buying some tokens now.

Agree, nice post.

Not sure what you mean, but the live girls on MFC in most cases are making more than they were on the regular big cam sites and yet in many instances are getting naked before any money is exchanged.

i'm saying that the biz model (that of MFC and offsprings of that concept) are not set out to be doomed from the start because it is very difficult to steal live girls who want to make a living. Tubes on the other hand just need to steal content and bam... tube up

Forget live girls. That's not the point.

Think cams giving away a ton of free content, and without affiliates. If it works for MFC, why wouldn't it work for others? How does an affiliate-free model work for the bulk of people here?

Even if some cam sponsors kept the affiliate model, once they begin giving away more explicit content - and they will to remain competitive - it means lower overall sales, because at least some percentage of the buyers will satisfy themselves with fewer live shows.

Or put it this way: If a guy used to spend $25 a week at a cam spot in order to get interactivity AND graphic content, if he gets pseudo-interactive and graphic content for free there's no reason to suspect he'll continue to drop $25 a week. He'll continue to spend, but it won't be at the same levels, because at least some of his needs are taken care of at no $$ to him.

It's yet to be seen.

Regarding affiliate model... you have a point. If the site is just that good it will get the traffic.

However, I'm not sure about the $25 guy. I had the browser open for a long time yesterday and girls continuously got taken into private, groups, whatever. 10 tokens to 200 tokens were commonly tipped. Also, blocking the chat is a big deal, people want to chat... its the allure of the live cam girls. So these guys are forced to buy a min. of $20 in tokens. Now they chat and throw a tip and the girl gives him all the attention.

I like the concept... The best thing is when other sites pop up and try to offer more and more and it effects the buying, the girls will leave because they are not making enough.

The girls almost seem to keep the biz plan in check

Not saying they don't have a winning formula. Obviously they're doing something right, AND without affiliates. I join the chorus congratulating them.

In this model, the girls are essentially the affiliates, and doing all the hard work of converting looky-loos to paying customers. They SHOULD be the ones getting the money, not some IW who simply threw some hits at the site.

But on to the downtrend to spending: there's no where to go but down the more you give away. It's simple human nature to prefer free to paid. Yes, there will *always* be those wanting to go private, and will pay, but that percentage HAS to go down as cam spots stumble over themselves to maintain revenue levels, and end up giving anyway more and more.

Witness what's happening on the tubes. They're fighting themselves for eyeballs, and even the so-called legit ones are doing so by adding more and longer videos. There isn't a week that goes by here when someone doesn't ask about sponsors with 5-10 minute clips. Since it takes most men less than 10 minutes to orgasm during masturbation it doesn't require many free clips to do the trick.

If I wanted to see semi-hot chicks doing nothing but giving disgusted looks while smoking and listening to music, I'd return to high school.

I clicked over 10, and they were all dead channels with chicks doing nothing until their 'base' was paid with about 20 dormant users. Great use of bandwidth.

they don't have Japanese girls....and Japanese Girls are the hottest. :thumbsup

I guess that free cam website will not hurt what I promote...

Chekc this out

http://www.2much.net/miricam/index.php

What software is used on these kinds of sites to do the video streaming?

hey sabby shut the fuck up you wrecked pussy whore

nice to see so many GFYers spending hours per day on MFC under the guise of 'research' :1orglaugh

if anybody has developed or is developing MFC type software let me know, i'm interested.

Flash streaming - either Flash Media Server, Red 5 which is open source or Wowza

awesome site

So simple but genius.

That's the problem. Men think "giving it away free" is the answer, and it's not. If women ran the adult industry, we wouldn't give anything away for free. Make them all pay for it. These idiot men giving away so much free stuff are chopping their own heads off.

Free, free, free. The death of paysites everywhere. What moron came up with the idea of free porn? lol

We often ask young people in bars about porn online, and in the last 6 months, we've must've asked at least 40 guys the same question, "do you buy porn online?" EVERY answer was the same...... "Who buys porn anymore?" and "Porn is free now, I would never pay for it."

Every year the newer generations are getting more savy and know they can get off online for free now. Tubes, free cams, and the millions of free tgp's. It's a slow dwindling cycle of the end of the online adult industry. Making money in porn will be like owning a dry cleaners. Sure, you can make some money, but you'll be working everyday, long hours, while the world passes you by outside your window.

Denial is spreading to those clinging on to this dying industry.

I think its pretty cool idea. Its no way going take away business from paid sites.
Eventually everything will be subsidized. Just like gmail , or facebook all supported by ads. That way companies can pay a set monthly fee for good talent to join their site, and provide good quality service.

I'm not so convinced about that. Yes it does hurt the bottom line but I've been reading gfy for awhile now and that's what people are always saying here. Yet there are still ratios of 1:600 ....

Again I'm not saying that 'free' doesn't hurt .... just that I don't believe it's the end of the industry. There's always something to sell.

Oh yeah ... And yes there is an affiliate program for MFC ... it's by private invite from Leo and I think he pays $2 per free (only option).

In beta he had lots of big affiliates help him test it and they still send lots of traffic to him today but with revshare. So he didn't do it alone.

Also, the site is not completely free. He gives a bit more than other cams sites and that lures people in which is great in my opinion. But who 'just' wants to see a model pull her shirt up? Most people are going to want to see more and for that they have to pay.

I've seen many shows on there and I didn't pay a penny for them. Toys in the ass, lesbians, tits galore... you have to look through the girls but there is no shortage of FREE cam shows there.

didn't we just have this convo in another thread like a week ago?

some of you are retarded if you actually think the girls are doing it for free or next to nothing.

I watched a girl dildo fuck her ass and hum vibrate her pussy and then followed with a massive squirt orgasm.

I am not knocking the biz plan at all and actually think it is more innovative then most... also believe will be very successful.

But to say just pull the shirt up... that's not how it is working compadre

I'm watching three american milfs getting drunk and stripping down with each other right now.

I don't think anyone has said the girls are on there doing things for free. However, its free for us to watch many of the girls do shows we'd normally otherwise have to pay for. The girls I've been talking to in the last six months that have left some of the other major cam networks, are now making 3-5 times more per hour with MFC than they were before. I'm sure you and Sabby are going to continue telling us how you don't give yourself away for free. Either way you are stripping and playing with yourself, why not make the most for your time?

Ever seen camfrog?

Some people just like to whore out. :2 cents:

I've done shows for MFC before. They have a great crew, Leo is a stand up dude ;) and very easy signup/setup for the models..

your sexy... no matter what fuzz gets in your head

i still luv ya