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Tom_PM 04-13-2010 11:06 AM

Obama campaigned on ending the occupation of Iraq (coming along nicely). And increasing troops in Afghanistan. He sent more than even military expected and they were delighted.


Oh and dont forget Confederate History Month in Virgina where slavery never existed, lmfao. What a boner that was for that newbie.

BFT3K 04-13-2010 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by J. Falcon (Post 17029067)
I want to know where these tea party idiots were when Bush was raising taxes, starting bullshit wars, and destroying the country.

They were in their hick trailer parks, waving flags like moronic puppets.

They were cheering on the very administration that could not give a flying shit about them, as they were not the rich.

They were busy calling everyone who did not support the idiotic Bush decisions traitors, and bad Americans... that's where they were!

Hypocritical, racist, douches, who are so brainwashed by the far right wing asswipes, that they continued to cheer on their own demise.

Obama is trying to help them, and they are so fucking retarded, that they believe what the multi millionaires on the right convince them to believe.

I would love them to have their own country - good riddance!

J. Falcon 04-13-2010 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Martin (Post 17029037)
A few idiots with guns? Try millions of Americans taking up arms. You think the police could stop that? You're a brain dead sheep. Besides if things really went that far American troops wouldn't turn on their own country men. I don't believe things have gone that far yet.

First of all, millions are not going to revolt. Second, you are talking about every day people who were never in combat going against an organized army. And yes, the army will turn guns on their own people if ordered to. It wouldn't be the first time it happened. Or you don't remember the Ken State University shootings where UNARMED protesters where shot and some of them killed?

Martin 04-13-2010 11:07 AM

I've been following the Militia movement inside the US. They've been active long before Obama was even on the radar. They really got a boost after the events of 9-11. Stop with they're all racist red necks propaganda you have fallen for. They're resisting what they feel is a over reaching government.

Caligari 04-13-2010 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 17029128)
Obama campaigned on ending the occupation of Iraq (coming along nicely).

:1orglaugh

J. Falcon 04-13-2010 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Martin (Post 17029105)
You guys honestly believe that American Troops will go to war against their neighbors, friends, family? People that look like them? Are you fucking that stupid?

Try reading some history. If that doesn't help, gather up some of your friends, grab some guns, and try to start a war on the government and let us know if they have sympathy for you.

theking 04-13-2010 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by J. Falcon (Post 17029131)
First of all, millions are not going to revolt. Second, you are talking about every day people who were never in combat going against an organized army. And yes, the army will turn guns on their own people if ordered to. It wouldn't be the first time it happened. Or you don't remember the Ken State University shootings where UNARMED protesters where shot and some of them killed?

Exactly...for the most part people in the military will obey orders and will kill whomever their Commander in Chief orders them to kill. Kent State is not the only example.

Martin 04-13-2010 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by J. Falcon (Post 17029131)
First of all, millions are not going to revolt. Second, you are talking about every day people who were never in combat going against an organized army. And yes, the army will turn guns on their own people if ordered to. It wouldn't be the first time it happened. Or you don't remember the Ken State University shootings where UNARMED protesters where shot and some of them killed?

There is over 300 million people in the US. There is 90 guns per 100 people in the US. It's the most armed nation on the earth. You think the army is going to take going to war with it's own people lightly? Do you really believe that all these gun owners are just billy and Bob with a couple shot guns? You don't know whats going on inside your own country.

GatorB 04-13-2010 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Martin (Post 17029136)
I've been following the Militia movement inside the US. They've been active long before Obama was even on the radar. They really got a boost after the events of 9-11. Stop with they're all racist red necks propaganda you have fallen for. They're resisting what they feel is a over reaching government.

Yes and how is the government overreaching to them? What they can't enslave blacks like great-great-great grand daddy did? Once again if they fell the poweor at be are doig the job QUIT VOTING FOR THEM. Or here's an idea VOTE period.

directfiesta 04-13-2010 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17028898)
http://crashtheteaparty.org/

Yeah I remember the protests, it was about the wars, Obama has been in office for how long and how is the war going for you?

You know it's funny when Bush was in office we got a daily update of the death toll from the liberal media, now that Obama is sending troops, no more death tolls, did they stop dieing? Or is that not important to you?

and your point is ? Was the " non-liberal " media ( read Fox ..) reporting those deaths | daily " ? Are they now ? or both media no longer reporting it

Coalition Military Fatalities By Year

Year US UK Other Total
2003 486 53 41 580
2004 849 22 35 906
2005 846 23 28 897
2006 822 29 21 872
2007 904 47 10 961
2008 314 4 4 322
2009 149 1 0 150
2010 20 0 0 20
Total 4390 179 139 4708

http://www.icasualties.org/Iraq/Index.aspx


Other question: Is it true that in submarine they lower the oxygen in the air you breathe ? Just wondering ...

GatorB 04-13-2010 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Martin (Post 17029162)
There is over 300 million people in the US. There is 90 guns per 100 people in the US. It's the most armed nation on the earth. You think the army is going to take going to war with it's own people lightly? Do you really believe that all these gun owners are just billy and Bob with a couple shot guns? You don't know whats going on inside your own country.

I'm one of those 300 million. I'm certainly not rising up against the government. In fact I might help kill some of these milita retards. You are so fucking stupid if you think our troops are just going to lay down and not defend their country. That's very disrespectful.

Martin 04-13-2010 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by theking (Post 17029161)
Exactly...for the most part people in the military will obey orders and will kill whomever their Commander in Chief orders them to kill. Kent State is not the only example.

You think killing a few UNARMED hippies and getting in guerrilla war with people that look like them is the same thing?

GatorB 04-13-2010 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Martin (Post 17029170)
You think killing a few UNARMED hippies and getting in guerrilla war with people that look like them is the same thing?

So if some militias attack the white house and Congress our troops will just lay down and do nothing?

Martin 04-13-2010 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 17029167)
I'm one of those 300 million. I'm certainly not rising up against the government. In fact I might help kill some of these milita retards. You are so fucking stupid if you think our troops are just going to lay down and not defend their country. That's very disrespectful.

Go eat some more nut sacks.:1orglaugh You killin some Milita retards :1orglaugh:1orglaugh You're a joke.

directfiesta 04-13-2010 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by J. Falcon (Post 17029067)
I want to know where these tea party idiots were when Bush was raising taxes, starting bullshit wars, and destroying the country.

Cheering ... After all, it was a fun game of killing brownies .... and did not have to pay for it ... right away !

Martin 04-13-2010 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 17029179)
So if some militias attack the white house and Congress our troops will just lay down and do nothing?

Attack the white house :1orglaugh You're too much, killing me over here.

GatorB 04-13-2010 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Martin (Post 17029183)
Go eat some more nut sacks.:1orglaugh You killin some Milita retards :1orglaugh:1orglaugh You're a joke.

Still not answering the question. Tells me everthing I need to know.

2012 04-13-2010 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Martin (Post 17029105)
You guys honestly believe that American Troops will go to war against their neighbors, friends, family? People that look like them? Are you fucking that stupid?

you must live in a nice world



gumdrops for everybodeeeee !

directfiesta 04-13-2010 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Martin (Post 17029136)
I've been following the Militia movement inside the US. They've been active long before Obama was even on the radar. They really got a boost after the events of 9-11. Stop with they're all racist red necks propaganda you have fallen for. They're resisting what they feel is a over reaching government.

Continue to follow ....

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In 2009, the Southern Poverty Law Center tracked a 300 percent increase in the number of militia groups operating in the United States -- from 42 to 127 such groups at the year's end.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/03/3...tia/index.html

Tom_PM 04-13-2010 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Caligari (Post 17029150)
:1orglaugh

"President Obama said Friday he plans to withdraw most U.S. troops from Iraq by the end of August 2010.

Between 35,000 to 50,000 troops will remain in Iraq, he said. They would be withdrawn gradually until all U.S. forces are out of Iraq by December 31, 2011 -- the deadline set under an agreement the Bush administration signed with the Iraqi government last year."

So... I dunno what to tell ya. My phrase "coming along nicely" just reflects that it's on track according to reports.

theking 04-13-2010 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Martin (Post 17029170)
You think killing a few UNARMED hippies and getting in guerrilla war with people that look like them is the same thing?

Ever heard about the 1932 Bonus March...when tens of thousands of First World War Vets were protesting at the White House and the Government ordered General MacArthur use the military against former soldiers. Men...women and children died...by the hands of our military...during this event.

Martin 04-13-2010 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 17029197)
Continue to follow ....

I just had to read the head line. "Anti-government hate militias on the rise":disgust

Martin 04-13-2010 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by theking (Post 17029212)
Ever heard about the 1932 Bonus March...when tens of thousands of First World War Vets were protesting at the White House and the Government ordered General MacArthur use the military against former soldiers. Men...women and children died...by the hands of our military...during this event.

Different times. Listen, the American Military is not in the least interested in getting into some running battles with a well armed American people.

mayabong 04-13-2010 11:41 AM

If the troops just knew the truth about the depleted uranium they would join the militia movement in a second. They are already catching on to who was truly behind 9/11. Maybe they can discredit this military man who just came out. :)


GatorB 04-13-2010 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Martin (Post 17029224)
Different times. Listen, the American Military is not in the least interested in getting into some running battles with a well armed American people.

What color is the sky in your world? Honestly any troops that DIDN'T defend their country from attack should be shot on the spot.

theking 04-13-2010 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Martin (Post 17029224)
Different times. Listen, the American Military is not in the least interested in getting into some running battles with a well armed American people.

The military remains the same as it always has been...the over whelming majority will obey orders and turn their guns on anyone that they are ordered to turn their guns on...period. BTW...the American people are not well armed or anywhere close to being well armed...compared to the military.

Joshua G 04-13-2010 11:50 AM

i say let these right wingers play in the woods with their guns & act like they are defending their liberty. As long as they dont threaten/attack innocent people, they are not doing anything illegal.

As soon as one of these militias issues a threat, the Fibbies will shut them down in an hour. Should one of them actually attack anyone, the local SWAT team will clean house. The US military won't even get a phone call.

GatorB 04-13-2010 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by joshgirls (Post 17029273)
i say let these right wingers play in the woods with their guns & act like they are defending their liberty. As long as they dont threaten/attack innocent people, they are not doing anything illegal.

The point is the only purpose for wanting a militia is to ATTACK the government. We have police and national guard to handle any other problem that requires the use of force.

But I agree let them have thier militia. Makes it easier to identify who to shoot.

Martin 04-13-2010 11:54 AM

You guys have this picture in your head of the Militia on one side and the American Military on the other. That's not how it would look.

theking 04-13-2010 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by joshgirls (Post 17029273)
i say let these right wingers play in the woods with their guns & act like they are defending their liberty. As long as they dont threaten/attack innocent people, they are not doing anything illegal.

As soon as one of these militias issues a threat, the Fibbies will shut them down in an hour. Should one of them actually attack anyone, the local SWAT team will clean house. The US military won't even get a phone call.

Exactly...they are infiltrated and monitored by government agencies...be it local...state or federal.

theking 04-13-2010 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin (Post 17029286)
You guys have this picture in your head of the Militia on one side and the American Military on the other. That's not how it would look.

Since the military is a branch of the Government and they have taken a sworn oath...that is exactly how it would look

GatorB 04-13-2010 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin (Post 17029286)
You guys have this picture in your head of the Militia on one side and the American Military on the other. That's not how it would look.

You have this picture that 300 million people will rise up against the government. Half the country is too lazy to fucking vote. The other half voted for Obama.

Let me ask the Americans here. Would you join a militia to overthrow the current government. I won't. That's my vote. What say you other Americans?

kane 04-13-2010 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin (Post 17029224)
Different times. Listen, the American Military is not in the least interested in getting into some running battles with a well armed American people.

Kind of like how they flat out refused to help control the riots in Los Angeles after the Rodney King verdict? Oh, that's right, they followed orders, blocked streets and were prepared to shoot UNARMED US citizens if they were told to do so.

Every member of the military won't do as they are told. Many of them would refuse to attack fellow US citizens, but there are some that would follow orders and do what they are told. A handful of military guys in helicopters, planes and tanks would flatten just about any militia uprising in no time.

It's not like the entire country would rise up against the government. Half of those eligible to vote don't even bother. If they can't be bothered to get off their ass for a few minutes every four years do you think they are going to take up arms?

Joshua G 04-13-2010 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 17029279)
The point is the only purpose for wanting a militia is to ATTACK the government.

other than the Hutaree fiasco, i am not aware of any militias that have attacked, or even theatened to attack, the government. The Waco & Randy Weaver disasters, the government was the attacker.

Much more of a threat are the lone wolves like McVeigh, Joe Stack & the school/officeplace shootings the last decade. These lone wolves have done far more damage to innocents then any militia.

directfiesta 04-13-2010 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin (Post 17029286)
You guys have this picture in your head of the Militia on one side and the American Military on the other. That's not how it would look.

The destruction of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, was the culmination of years of escalation. In total, there were 845 acts of domestic terrorism from far-right and white supremacist groups between 1954 and 2004, including shootings, bombing and arson...


GatorB 04-13-2010 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by joshgirls (Post 17029325)
other than the Hutaree fiasco, i am not aware of any militias that have attacked, or even theatened to attack, the government. The Waco & Randy Weaver disasters, the government was the attacker.

Still doesn't answer the question of the purpose of the militia. It's amazing that the pro-militia people still have yet to answer that basic question. Why do you fail to answer the question?

BFT3K 04-13-2010 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by joshgirls (Post 17029273)
I say let these right wingers play in the woods with their guns & act like they are defending their liberty. As long as they dont threaten/attack innocent people, they are not doing anything illegal.

As soon as one of these militias issues a threat, the Fibbies will shut them down in an hour. Should one of them actually attack anyone, the local SWAT team will clean house. The US military won't even get a phone call.

Exactly. Militias are like full grown retarded kids playing war in the safety of their own ass-backwards woods or swamps. Sort of like civil war rein-actors. They mean ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in the big picture. Whenever they get a little bit out of control they are squashed like bugs.

GatorB 04-13-2010 12:16 PM

Let's say these militias could overthrow the government. Does anyone here actually want them in charge? Oh and by the way pro-militia nuts, during the time in country is in total chaos because of you, our enemies are getting ready to attack because they see that we are in a weakened state. So good luck when you take over. Good luck running the show. Good luck setting a budget, allocating funds, fixing bridges and roads etc., providing basic necessities to the 300 million Americans you just "freed" form tyranny.

christopherjon 04-13-2010 12:18 PM

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"but if you think a militia of ignorant rednecks can do anything against national guard/ army is just stupid."
Last time I checked the majority of the Military, both active duty and national guard swing to the right and who do think makes up these militias? It's not your stereotypical "deliverance" rednecks.

I think you'll find many retired and active military personnel involved in the local militia movements as well as local law enforcement. Many may not be "out of the closet" due to it being bad for their careers but that doesn't mean they aren't involved or don't have family who are.

I'm not saying anything stupid is ever going to happen but if it did you might find that the people with the big guns aren't necessarily on the side you think they are. It's not liberals who are joining the military or law enforcement.

J. Falcon 04-13-2010 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin (Post 17029170)
You think killing a few UNARMED hippies and getting in guerrilla war with people that look like them is the same thing?

People that look like them? lol


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