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haha Gator you're comical.lol
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You guys really have no idea do ya. Chances are you know someone who is Militia. You see the pictures on TV with 5-6 hill billies who claim to be Militia but really it's one they started on their own. The real Militias you don't hear from much if at all till its time to act. These guys are ex police/military etc. Also they're main goal wouldn't be to over throw the government. They would want to work towards changing the government first before anything.
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I don't understand what the leftwingers on this thread are so upset about.... You guys have had majorities since 2006, you have bigger majorities now, and the executive branch also.... Just relax and enjoy your power... Why all the anger?
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yep, they're patriots all right. Great americans!
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There's no way to accurately predict what would happen in a Constitutional crisis where the country came to the brink of revolt. Maybe the armed forces would fire on their own people, maybe they wouldn't. In 1989 in Tianenmen Square the Chinese military turned on its own people. Two years later in Red Square the Russian military sided with the people and refused to carry out a coup effectively finishing off communist rule and facilitating the demise of the Soviet Union. In both cases the citizenry was unarmed.
I don't know what would happen here. The militias might cave in the face of better trained, better armed military and police forces. Or perhaps seeing the dissenters as plain folk like their families the kids in the military might refuse to fire. What I do know is that the fact this is starting to happen should give the government pause to think about what its doing to piss off so many people. The militia folks are not without their relevant talking points. As to the person who suggested we vote and use free speech...you haven't been paying attention. The government is doing what it damn well wants regardless of what the people who pay the bills are screaming for. The people roundly said no to the bailouts and they were granted behind closed doors. They voiced their opinions on health care, and yet again were largely ignored. And the final insult may have been the Supreme Court granting corporations--possibly including foreign ones--the right to spend as much money as they want in campaigns which would determine elections of our representatives. I think it's plain they don't have the people in mind. So the question becomes: when is it enough? Clearly the government isn't working for the people anymore and the Constitution is an afterthought to seemingly everyone in D.C. At what point do people have not merely the right, but the responsibility to do something about it? I would hate to see the situation come to violence but should these bullies and their corrupt and unjust system be allowed to continue while hiding behind the guise of democracy? Honestly, when is it enough? |
Well said Cosmic.
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When it was muskets against muskets that worked. People talk about how great the army is but they really have no idea the power they can yield at a target. The funny thing is I can sit and talk about all the real things I think obama and the politicians I are doing fucked up all day long and Im a lefty. I don't understand why the right and the tea party has to make up shit. They are protesting apr 15 when 47 percent of this country pays nothing in taxes. They are being played its really sad.
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Just my opinion here. but liberalism: the concepts of tolerence, combatting poverty & racism, the pursuit of education - these are things that prosper in an environment of peace & freedom. In places that are chronically unstable, like africa & the middle east, anti-intellectualism, xenophobia, & rascism still reign. By extension, the american right wing mimics these more primative values & prospers in a climate of fear & instability. This is why the right wing is obsessed with demonizing the government. |
I personally do not believe for one second that a majority of american people did not want healthcare reform. Thats just laughable to me. President Obama ran on several platforms, one of the most important being health care reform. He won the election. ie: the majority of american voters WANTED healthcare reform when it really mattered. It's just a negative talking point now for when people want to roll out poll results favorable to their own position.
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And the part about being able to vote them out of office if they displease us? Well I just laid it out for you. The SCOTUS just handed corporate America, and possibly foreign ones as well, the ability to elect your next representatives. Good luck getting what you need and what Corporate America needs in alignment. This country came about as a direct result of taxation without representation. More and more Congress is representing not the people, but the special interests and, coming soon, multinational corporations who line their pockets and foot the bill for their campaigns. Your tax dollars, trillions of dollars worth, are going to fight wars against people who've done nothing to you to secure resources and subsidize corporations you don't own for the purpose of private profit. Our republic is becoming a plutocracy. In fact, I'd say it's already there. |
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People have a problem with changing the health care system and having the government take it over, I mean they are doing such a good job with the Social Security, Border Security, Medicaid and the list goes on, so they are going to fight it in court. Although the government has violated the 10th amendment a bunch of times in the past, making people buy insurance is a joke. I'll bet that Blue Cross raised the cost of their insurance just to scare people into passing the health reform, I mean, who wouldn't want 30 million more government subsidized customers. If you think more people want the over haul, well we'll see in a few months after the elections, Bart Stupak doesn't have the stomach to try to get re-elected and Harry Reid is trailing behind all 3 GOP runners. I read where Harry Reid got a government paid for Bridge put on his property? Things are fucked up! |
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Let me play a little devils advocate. Obama got 53% of the vote or 69million votes. There are around 200 million eligible voters in this country and about 300 million total people. That means only about 34% of the eligible votes and 23% of the population voted for him. He ran on a platform of raising taxes, bailing out companies and creating national healthcare. Today his approval rating hovers around 47-49% depending on the day. So you could argue that aside from the supreme court thing, which he has no part in and was a terrible ruling that sold out the American people, he has delivered what he said he was going to and many of his strongest supporters still support him and his action. He really only cares about them and they are getting what they wanted. Much of this unrest is simply the right trying to regain their footing. The republican party is a dying animal. In the next 15 years we will see an increase in the black and latino populations (actually it is all ethnic minorities but mostly blacks and latinos) of 300% while the white population will stay about the same. These are groups that tend to vote democrat. Add in the fact that they are losing a grip on the religious right and it makes for a very dim outlook for them 10-15 years from now. They are working hard to build a new base and the tea party is that base. They are switching to the angry white person base and right at the moment it is working. But just because there is a vocal group out there doesn't mean everyone in the country feels that way. Voting can change it. There is no need for an overthrow. If everyone eligible to vote that was angry at the government voted against those that they don't like, we would have new leadership. No shooting, no uprising, just votes. Quote:
If you truly want your government to fear you, put the guns down and go to the voting booth on election day. As it is right now the Tea Party thinks they are being revolutionaries and in November they are going to vote republican and many of those people will be no better than the democrats that are there now. |
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The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows that 31% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty-one percent (41%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential The Tea Party movement is growing. Twenty-four percent (24%) of voters nationwide now consider themselves part of that movement, up from 16% a month ago. Support for repeal of the new health care law is also growing Yes these are poll results, go ahead, find a reputable unbiased pollster that thinks Obama has better numbers |
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I'm all for a mandatory voting act. There's no reason we shouldnt be able to register our vote from home in some fashion. Screw this notion that bad weather could tip an election. Weather!
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Why are american's so terified of their own government? I'll never understand that. The level of paranoia down there is immense.
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Vendzilla, thats just proving my point. It's a poll; the election is over. Polls will come and polls will go and for a few more years, Obama will be our president. Which is more important?
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Obama, Bush, Clinton, Ron Paul all have the same masters :2 cents: The 2 party system is just an illusion.
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Here's the good news...
Obama/Biden defeated McCain/Palin If you think we are in trouble now, with a balanced, thoughtful, intelligent, and well tempered leader at the helm, just imagine where we would be should the election have ended differently. The anti-GOP movement that would be going on right now would make the current tea party movement look like..... well, a tea party! |
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I don't support everything Obama has done and I am among those who feel that everyone in congress needs to be thrown out and replaced, but I am not blind to the reality that the Tea Party is simply just the republican party with a different name and they will elect the same people who helped to cause the problems we have now. |
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