I think he only has one brother, but I might be wrong.

Actually I feel bad for W. now ever since I saw the Oliver Stone movie LOL. :1orglaugh

But, I'm still a democrat!

George W. Bush is one of four sons and two daughters.

Exactly! But this is the part I don't believe ever happens. It makes for good movies and tv series like Jericho, but there is never any real clandestine conspiracy. There is too much money at stake to let any real revolt get out of control, even in the abstract sense.

No shit? That's what i get for watching Oliver Stone again :1orglaugh

I should have at least checked wikipedia before posting, huh?

I see. I look silly because I actually use a word properly (It's not a typo dude, it changes the entire meaning of what you wrote). Got it. That is one of the ills of our society: lazy intellect.

I don't think it's unreasonable to think that a government would hurt the people its charged to protect to pursue government's inevitable goal: the consolidation of more and more power over the people it's supposed to serve. It's as predictable as a moth to a flame.

Governments all over the world and throughout history have done this. Our country has even helped many of them. Why do you think our government wouldn't do something like that to our own? Because we're Americans? Is American DNA different from any other human DNA?

Well said, you should write books

I look silly when I point out an incorrect usage of language that completely changes the meaning of a statement and I look crazy when I point out a theory that is in stark contrast to the one neatly packaged and marketed by those who stand to benefit most from its acceptance.

It's not really THAT hard to draw a line between two points, is it?

Was it our government attacking our own for twenty years or more...including the first attack on the World Trade Center and all of the different "terrorist" orgs just volunteered to take credit for the attacks?

the fact that a poster named *cosmic tang* actually feels the need to analyze me, concluding i have a *lazy intellect* all based on the use of one word at a message board named gofuckyourself is of absolutely no consequence to me, but by all means, do go on

obviously, you waxed over my earlier post stating i do not believe the official government version but that comment by me is not conducive to you making this about me.

no need for the history lesson either.

I'm not analyzing you. I have no idea who you are to be honest. I certainly am not judging you. I am judging your post. That sort of thing is symptomatic of what we've become, an intellectually lazy society. Whether you are or not I have no idea. My apologies if you feel I was making it personal.

I don't care what the board is or where, there's no reason to be uncivil or stupid when it can be avoided. But hey, that's just me.

you concluding i am intellectually lazy for referring to the 9/11 conspiracy theory as *official* in an inconsequential thread here is a judgement, certainly a wordsmith of your caliber would know that.

i've yet to be uncivil or stupid in this thread but, please, continue to make this about me.

This. Both "stories" are pretty far fetched.

?If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.?

-Joseph Goebbels famous Nazi

No, you haven't as far as I can see. Didn't claim that you were. If you're more comfortable with me judging you I can oblige.

And a simple, easy, cost-effective way to repress dissent is to label the dissenters as conspiracy nuts.

i'm here to waste time and have nothing to prove. you are also free to enjoy yourself here as you please.


threads such as these crack me up and i enjoy killing time on them knowing full well they go no where and accomplish nothing.

On this we agree.

If 1 person decides to research the offical 9/11 claims on their own cause of questions posed in this thread, then I think its worth it. No matter what their final decision on the attacks is.

you gotta see this 911 Clues, Fake Media Mind Control pt 1/9

What if that person was just about to discover the cure for Cancer, but before they could get there, diverted all their resources to this?

This the only comeback you have? I really don't know the answer to that question.

More nutjobs.

Firefighters for 9/11 Truth



Richard Gage of Arch's and Engineers for 9/11 Truth



How you can label these people "crazy" nutjobs for asking questions is beyond me.

Okay so what if one single legitimate person could do one legitimate thing if not for this distraction then? I understand Cancer is very minute and and insignificant and this conspiracy is so fucking huge and important and probably true!

For one I don't think this is a distraction from anything. This is THE reason that america is killing innocent people around the world. As long as people think that a bunch of arabs directed from a guy in a cave they can continue to do what they do. As far as cancer, there are cures, I personally know someone who cured himself with bloodroot. There is way too much money in people getting treated for cancer than there ever will be in a cure. This is why you'll never see a cure as long as our "health" system stays like it is.

Okay, I understand now. There's a cure for Cancer and 9/11 was a conspiracy by the government for reasons yet to be determined. We're cool. It would really be tough for me to discuss this any further without Bigfoot backing me up.

Anyone who thinks the Twin Towers were brought down by controlled demolition, know nothing about controlled demolition.

You really have to feel for the simpleton democrats.. 9 years and they couldn't provide one single shred of evidence to implicate the previous administration.

sure, that's cool. ftr, the only conspiracy theory i take real issue with is the one claiming lunar landings were faked.

Short statement and pretty much says it all.

Try debating some of the topics that Eric Lawyer and Richard Gage bring up instead of attacking me. This is common especially on the main news stations especially when its hard to debate the topics they bring up.
Here is the guy from "NIST" denying molten metal under the towers. Are these the people you put your faith in for your facts?



As far as cancer, I'm not gonna debate that right now.

err, bomb sniffer dogs had been put outta duty for weeks and there was some kinda "construction" work going on in both buildings while security wasnt that tight ... um, and dont forget the millions of bucks silverstein made with his anti-terror insurance ... oh, and looking at the security company for the towers --- wasnt there a cousin of GWB or such responsible for the security at that time? the whole story smells fishy to me :helpme

I saw that documentary on fox in like 98 and actually had some questions in my mind. I then saw mythbusters, and they answered some questions that I had. Although I don't always put my faith in mythbusters, they seemed to make a good case.

I think we should plan a conspiracy right here and now just to see if we can pull one off. Like farting in some celebrity's grab bag or something.

err, the twins and wtc7 came down to a convenient little pile of rubble and barely damage was done to the surrounding buildings ... sounds pretty much like controlled demolition to me :2 cents:

Up until a few minutes ago you thought GW was an only child.. how much more don't you know. ;)

i dunno
whats the official version this week?

The Twin Towers was over 12million square feet of office space. The largest recorded controlled demolition is under 3 million, and took months to rig by an army of engineers, with miles of wiring and unfettered access to the building, which was ABANDONED.

It doesn't take anyone with more than layman's knowledge of CD to see the magnitude of the task of rigging the WTC to come down, and realize its not only improbable, but impossible. Even assuming the insurmountable logistical hurdles could be overcome, there's also the job of keeping the evil demolition experts quiet after they had killed innocent Americans.

You guys that even entertain the idea are just fucking silly, and don't even stop to think for second how it could even be possible. The funniest thing is, you act like the burden of proof is on the people who believe the official story, who basically have common sense, and Occam's Razor on their side.

Oh yeah he really makes a compelling argument. I've heard many demolition experts say that it is impossible for the buildings to free fall the way they did, unless it was caused by some kind of controlled demolition.

there's been some very sophisticated non-gov computer modelings of the collapses and they support the fact that the planes crashing into the building and the consequential damage caused those bldgs to fall the way they did.

This is exactly the point of this thread. It seems nobody can ask questions about what happened without being ridiculed. I never specified that it was the previous government. There are plenty of stuff that the public doesn't know about what happened and it seems that asking questions is simply frowned upon. For all the people speculating about what the founding fathers would have done in this or that situation, think about whether they would let such an atrocity go uninvestigated.

Do you remember Watergate? How about the infamous blue dress. People ask questions every day. My point is.clear. It's been 9 years since 9/11 and no one has provided a single piece of evidence. And to think that the democrats where so in love with President Bush to give him a free pass on anything is laughable.

Proof..that is the operative word.

inside job aka conspiracy aka False Flag aka Operation Northwoods

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Memorandum.jpg

4:20 it starts to get really interesting ... damn

Well I heard what is supposed to be one of the top three Demo crews in the country explain how many man houra...how much material and the method that would have to be used...that it would take to prep even one of the Towers for a controlled demolition that it would make it a virtual impossibility for the buildings to have been prepped. I also saw a demonstration using a model based upon the design of the Towers (which was a new and unique design) would collapse in pancake fashion giving the appearance of a controlled demolition.

Exactly...just one of the building is 3 times the size of the biggest job ever done.

This is what seems to be going over the heads of those who subscribe to the demolition theory. There's never any explanation as to how crews of engineers could get a job of this magnitude done in one of the busiest sites in NYC. It's not like some commandos could get it done by just sneaking in and throwing a few timed bombs behind some desks while office workers are at the water cooler. The only things they have is .."well, the WTC was shut down and there were these mysterious trucks and stuff"...and that never even happened.

CD involves lots of drilling with large equipment, miles of wiring and unfettered access to the building. The WTC site is decidedly "fettered". Its fettered as a motherfucker.

Not. Possible. Case closed.

sounds like you have thought this through....and for that kudos.

however i think you are unaware of some facts.

important to note i said facts....you look them up, i went over this years ago when no one cared

fact 1...large portions of the towers were put under security control, by the people running security at the building....even the head maintenance worker who could in all sense say they were his buildings....he was not allowed in these areas...meanwhile work was going on, heavy work as reported by staff when they would see the comings and goings of material and the people themselves doing the work

fact 2...for months and months before the event, office workers in the building were complaining about dust on their monitors every morning.

fact 3...wires were laid all over the building, to upgrade the networks


that in itself doesn't amount to much i know.
however, in light of the magnitude of the event in question, you really need to look at things that stand out like this...its not proof of anything really...but when added to the pile of things that dont add up that day...it certainly is noteworthy

there are many flaws in the the controlled demo theory.

1. timing. why was there such a delay between the planes impacting and the collapse? not to mention the actual plan: let's fly a plane into a building, we know it won't make the building fall so we will load the bldg with tons of explosives and then wait a while after impact to blw the bldgs.

2. so the 3 bldgs were wired to blow but the decision to blow bldg 7 was not made until after all the shit hit the fan and even then, the decision was made by silverstein.

3. a complete lack of any explosive debris after.

4. 30,000 employees work in those 3 bldgs and not 1 of them noticed anything out of the ordinary while the bldgs were being wired.

5. nano-thermite, it burns, it does not explode. the amount required to collapse those bldgs is more than there is available at any one time on the planet.

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sure is freaky if there were no planes at all.