It is make fucking Bush.

Where??? I'd really love to see one. I saw the one on nova hahahaha. The only problem with their animation is that the core columns are still sticking up in the air and the floors are still there stacked up on top of eachother. (this is the offical theory also)

Please show me an animation that shows how the buildings fell like they did at the speed that they did.

Demon you are too retarded to debate one thing any "truther" says All you can do is call names. haha bill o'reilly 100% baaaaaaaaa

Yeah, one is defying the laws of gravity and putting human beings in an environment they can't normally survive in then landing on a celestial object before returning home and surviving re-entry and landing.

The other is blowing up a building.

Ahh, but didn't you know that by purposely NOT finding weapons of mass destruction they *planned* to look inept at covering things up so people would think they were too inept to fill 9/11 with explosives.. wake up!

lulz.

I always like how they're super undectable ninjas except when their NWO plans are being read out from Reuters.

Not only that, it's completely unneccessary.

Problem: Need to create fear and rationale to create caspian sea pipeline etc

Choice A: Spend 6 months using 100 engineers to rig 3 buildings while 30,000 people are working whilst employing a team of people to train up a squadron of terrorists to fly planes/construct $50M remote controlled planes with a 99.99% chance of getting caught because at least 200-300 people are involved from the government, from the security firms, from the engineers down to the person managing payroll for them. This is NOT two guys and two rifles shooting a president, it's a massive long term federal contract.

or

Choice B: Hear some terrorists are planning it (or suggest they do) and simply do nothing about it because

WHO THE FUCK CARES IF THEY FALL OR NOT. You think the two passenger aircraft slamming into the WTC buildings, burning the shit out of them for days and days and killing at least 500 people WOULDN'T be enough to scare the living fuck out of people and wouldn't demand swift reprisal? You think the massive burn marks visible for years of reconstruction or a real demolition and rebuilding to ensure structual integrity wouldn't have the EXACT same psychological effect? Jesus, having to demolish and rebuild.. Isn't that the equivalent of the terrorists using our own hand to slap our own faces and a massive loss thereof?

You scream and cry about the NWO using psychological warfare in tv sitcoms once our natural defenses have been deteriorated with chemtrails and flouride or whatever to introduce themes to us over the course of years but they're too retarded to be able to use hundreds of dead people and an image of the WTC burning and people jumping to their deaths to escape the flames to spin a war? Fuck, Clinton did it with a BJ.. Then again Clinton might have actually put Afghani's and Iraqi's onto the planes instead of Saudi's, y'know, in the spirit of NOT formulating a retarded conspiracy and actually wanting a propaganda success.

Of course there is also the chance they were just totally, totally inept at protecting the country, and like any large group of people trying to work together.. prone to the occasional failure.

I can't believe someone who thinks they are so educated in politics believes this myth. I'm not sure there was a Tampa crime family at the time, but I know that New Orleans had their own world and didn't work with Chicago or the Northeast mob.

Johnson went to his grave thinking it was Castro.

I'm not that smart or informed (especially as you are with all your insider information) so I think it was one nut with great killing skills who really didn't do anything that fucking amazing at all since all data shows a person with far less marksmanship skills than Oswald could have easily got off those three shots with more than enough time left.

I think Donnie Darko might have done it for real. He was a pretty fucked up dude and was into Time Travel too.

Sorry about not responding the other day. I got distracted by something.

Anyway, I have no problem admitting when I am wrong and something like GW having siblings is something easy to look up see if it's right or wrong.

You haven't given me anything you can legitimately check on from a legit database or anything else. You're just speculating and talking anti government conspiracy bullshit. I used to do this in high school cause it was more interesting than my classes, but take my advice and don't do that.

In high school, I failed Spanish cause I didn't know about Pablo Escabor at the time and thought it was all about bull fighting and I won a national award for Latin because I got into the Romans and Caligula and found them interesting.

How useful is Latin going to be for a guy who doesn't want to be a doctor or wear a collar and rape little boys?

Wait, you can't believe someone believes that JFK was killed by the Mafia, but you CAN believe that 9/11 was an inside job possibly? That's an interesting double standard. Unlike the latter belief, the former believe has a hell of a lot of evidence for it. Furthermore, I'm somewhat of a Mafia historian and you're sounding ignorant stating all of this. The Tampa Crime family existed since the 40s and was run by Santo Trafficante Jr by JFK's time. Carlos Marcello ran New Orleans and Sam Giancana ran Chicago at the time. Those three families worked together on many projects. Only the Chicago Outfit was dealing with the 5 Families on most occasions, while the New Orleans and Tampa crime families dealt with them once in a while. However, Trafficante and Marcello both had a seat on the Commission. There's plenty evidence to support the Mafia having to do with JFK's death and his brother's death. The most compelling is what Trafficante's lawyer told the public a few years ago. He said he was having dinner with Trafficante a few hours after JFK's death and Trafficante was extatic, saying "we finally got that SOB." He also went into details of how they got to him but I need to find those specific details. I'm not sure if this was ever approved by the Commission, because the original gangsters like Luciano, Lansky, Costello and Adonis would have never approved a hit on an official, much less the president. However, JFK unleashed Bobby on the Mafia and they thought the only way to get Bobby off their back was to kill JFK. Without JFK, Bobby was powerless. So yes, it was those 3 crime families along with Jack Rubin and Jimmy Hoffa. I won't say that this is definitely what happened, but I'd say that the evidence is there that the Mafia had something to do with it.

Dude check this out. I never was pro 9/11 conspiracy so that's a typo if you read it from me and please post so I can correct. I believe in only one government conspiracy and that was Lincoln cause it was proven, and hopefully you have a clue what I'm talking about.

Your facts are off on the Mafia, but I know nothing of Tampa. I know all about Marcello and I think you tossed in Giacana (Sam - Chicago) cause it's such a used up myth you wanted everyone to know you were informed. There is no way the mafia had anything to do with this with all the rats that had come forward and couldn't substantiate anything on this even though they could on all other things just proves it unless you are a complete gullible moron, and if that's the case I'm still for Donnie Darko

P.S. taxes are lower this year with a black democratic president in office! Just thought you'd like to know that in case we missed each other on the next round.

First off, I don't care what everybody knows. secondly, you're telling me I'm using myths without any proof. You're telling me I'm basically full of shit without any kind of logical backing, and completely ignoring the fact that I have studied the Mafia intensely, and my knowledge of them far exceeds yours. Finally, I'm not sure what "rats" you're talking about regarding the JFK assassination. Simply claiming the mafia had nothing to do with it without offering any kind of argument, doesn't make it so.

Also, I tossed in Giancana because allegedly, he was the most involved out of the 3, and he was the Chicago Boss at the time, as well as having connections with Jimmy Hoffa and Jack Rubin.

You're confirming it by not posting the claim you made that I was pro 9/11 conspiracy. Also I'm going to keep this brief and simple, can you possibly believe they could keep this quiet with all the rats popping out of the woodwork and all the info they expose about La Costra Nostra (and I probably spelled that wrong).

I'll give them credit on Hoffa. That was pretty slick if it was even them (and yes I don't know who else it could have possibly been), but we're talking about the president of the United States of America and from one of the Richest Organized crime connection families in the Country. I guess that could prove your point, but it could prove mine too. Think about it.

Would any family like this let this slide? There would be Hatfields and McCoy's going on to this day of epic proportions and with WMG's. Just think about that for one second. We're talking about the most powerful families in the World!

P.S. for benefit of argument I'm saying Kennedy Clan VS. Mafia

This should confirm what the demon is all about!

Yes, I believe the official version 20 22.22%
No, I do not believe the official version 70 77.78%

Bumpity bump bump and I'm going to start a whole new thread about THE DEMON if he doesn't respond here!

I'm giving you two hours cause i'll be to drunk crazy and passed out after that. It is 11:30 am Pacific right now.

I'm not confirming anything. I'm saying that it's a very likely possibility. Secondly, which rats are you talking about exactly? Valachi? Gravano? What I'm aware of is if this assassination plot was real, it was discussed within the upper echelons of the mafia. In fact, I believe it was only those 3 guys, Hoffa, Rubin, and maybe a few more. There's speculation whether it was approved by the 5 families or the Commission, but that's just speculation.

What exactly is your point? How hard is it to kill a man driving in an open car, in an area that isn't incredibly secure?

I don't think the Kennedy clan could do anything about it after Johnson became president the next day. Not to mention, JFK's dad ran alcohol distribution with some of the heads of the 5 families during prohibition.

Where is my post about me believing 9/11 was a government plot?

If it's not hard at all about killing a man driving in an open car than what is the big deal and why the hell do you need your conspiracy theory? Seriously. Why can't a simple wacko do this? This makes me so pissed off!!! ERRRRG!!!!

hehe yeah...
brainless fucks will believe anything they see on TV

I totally need to start a thread about THE DEMON if he doesn't quickly post me saying in a quote I believe the government was behind 9-11, I mean like yesterday! Pretty much he'll say anything he wants to say otherwise.

they did it

What kind of legitimate shit you want me to show you?? the 9/11 report? The 9/11 report didn't even cover building 7. I posted a video by richard gage who is the head of architects and engineers for 9/11 truth, over 1200 arch's and engineers and counting signing on for a new investigation. Try debating anything richard says please.

I posted A presentation by a firefighter who was there. If you want more research, look up stephen jones who is a physicist at byu who found traces of thermite in the wtc dust. Of course it does not matter what I show you or what their credentials are, cause they are immediately called loonies and their credentials do not matter.

I even posted a video from an interview a few weeks ago of a teacher from the army war college saying that it was an inside job, not only that, but saying it was an israeli operation and lots of people high up in the military know this. He says unlike the political part of the government, the military hasn't been bought. Is this all fabricated? Has everyone gone nuts?

I don't claim to know all the answers, but all these people bring up some real real good points, to ignore what they say in automatically label them wakko's is just ignorant.

I think instead of people trying to prove conspiracy theorists wrong they should try to prove the offical story correct, which is very very hard to do.

Judging by this poll people are at least questioning what they've been told and that makes me happy.

I just blew a fart. I'll get back to you when the air clears so you can get the same data you are giving me!

Do you see the irony in your post?

Blanket statements ftw.

it's you that cannot see the reality of it.

fact is, there's not a single iota of irony in my comment- i've discussed the issue ad nauseam with many people- my point stands and is accurate based on my experience and knowledge on the matter.
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amazing 78% think its all a big lie!

Yes demon we should have respect for the families even though lots of the families didn't take the government hush up money, and are part of the truth movement. Bob Mcllvaine is one of em. Have you even researched this one bit, or are you scared that O'reilly will call you a pinhead? hahahahahaha. Weather you like it or not people are believing this "conspiracy" more and more.. I'm sure you'll jump on when its safe, or when fox can make a profit from it, like the tea parties.

You don't see the irony in claiming you won't have a debate with the persons you blanketed? Your excuse for not debating with them is because they're unable to debate like adults, yet what's going over your head is how you're indirectly throwing ad homs at them.


It's pretty simple.

nothing is going over my head, you are incapable of seeing beyond my one post, turning the topic to be about me.

if you want to continue to point fingers, you best should do some research learn wtf you are pointing at, because if you did, you would know this is 2010, 9 years after the event and i've spent HOURS debating the subject in that 9 years. moreover, you are completely naive to think the topic can be *debated* on gfy.

as i mentioned in another post, which you chose to wax over, you would see i post in these threads for fun.

either way, feel free to continue to make this about me.

Those are the same people who probably scored like 400 on their SAT's if they bothered to take them.

It's funny people can't pass tests on common knowledge that isn't really disputable and takes a bit of actual work like studying, but they can pull all this global statistical bullshit out of their asses like it takes some accomplishment.

Hopefully they are at least making adsense pennies off all their hard work or else they are really wasting their time.

Sometimes it seems the more "educated" a person claims to be, the more they throw their common sense out the window.

I'm naive to think a political topic can be debated on GFY? I didn't know only the ignorant frequented this forum. If you're going to pull that card, I'd be willing to bet money that you're not nearly as educated as I, and thus should just ignore you.

Your narcissism is humorous, though. It's fun to poke at.

Whether you're posting for fun or not, that doesn't excuse you for using blanket statements for which many people in this thread have brought solid points.

dang, you sure have a hardon for me eh. not only can you not contribute to the topic, you take one of my posts and harp on it like it's the defining factor of who i am, even going so far as to assume i just pulled the conclusion out of hat at the spur of the moment.

either way, feel free to continue to make this about me.

i don't play e-penis so i won't go into my education level, not to mention the complete lack of relevance that has in this thread, this forum, life, success, or happiness. but you obviously feel less than, else you wouldn't of assumed yourself to be the most educated of us, so go ahead and post your credentials and we can all go oooooooooh-ahhhhhhhh.

also, i applaud your ability to psycho-analyze me based on a post at a message board, that's impressive.

but your diagnosis of narcissism falls short, i hope your formal education is not in psychology.

Your narcissism was evident when you made your blanket statement, and then with your 9 year investigation, yada yada. Tough to follow along?

it appears you have priaprism of the brain with your perpetual hardon for me. i haven't been watching the clock but i figure it's been around ~4 hours-you need to call your doctor.

this was all in the past. lets move on now and look forward to a brighter tomorrow. enough with the "blame game" guys

Yes forget all the wars that we are still in till this day because of this event. Forget all the Patriot acts and Detentions of innocent foreign and domestic "terrorists" because of this event. Forget all the soldiers that are sent off to this day to "prevent this type of even from happening". This isn't like JFK, this is an open sore still and the truth needs to get out.

That might be the most retarded thing I've heard yet haha. sorry no offense.