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Vendzilla 04-20-2010 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 17056601)
If you believe that in the previous 8 years, that Bush helped the middle and lower classes of the US in ANY way, or that America's global standing was boosted in ANY way, then you are a delusional idiot.

If you believe Obama is NOT attempting to right the wrongs of 8 misguided years, and that he is NOT attempting to HELP the lower and middle class, and that he is NOT trying to fix America's global credibility and importance, then once again, you are a delusional idiot.

That is all.

I never said I liked Bush, I don't, 6 years with power and he did nothing but go to war.
Democrats ran on change in 2006 and won, unemployment took a dive since then.
Obama, I don't like him, I don't think he's trying to help the middle class, the middle class wants jobs, they're not getting them, instead they are getting government health care, I think most of them would rather have a job

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Originally Posted by J. Falcon (Post 17056602)
I don't know if it's unamerican or however you want to label it, but they spread HATE in every fucking show. They supposedly report the news but they spend EVERY FUCKING EPISODE criticizing democrats and defending republicans.

Yes, criticize the democrats, they are in power and unemployment is at a bad level, but instead of doing something about that, the government has grown, putting more pressure to pay for more government, how is this helping America?
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Originally Posted by J. Falcon (Post 17056608)
What was the liberal media before Fox News?

And give clear examples of why you suppose they were "liberal media".

http://www.mrc.org/static/biasbasics/mediabias101.aspx

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Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 17056615)
If Hilter had a talk show on Fox he would have high ratings too. People are drawn to extreme rhetoric - that does not make it right.

No, Hitler would make it about him, nothing to do with the "RIGHT"

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Originally Posted by J. Falcon (Post 17056623)
How the fuck is an asshole, lying, hypocrite, racist, piece of shit like O'Reilly number 1 for 9 years? Are Americans really that fucking stupid? It baffles me, really, how people can take that guy seriously.

Please show me where he lied, I'm interested on where you get your information?

I watch him and the one thing I love about the show is that he gives the liberals a place to come on the show, watching it when Jon Stewart comes on is a crack up

J. Falcon 04-20-2010 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by BestXXXPorn (Post 17056691)
However, I occasionally watch the show for entertainment value or for a specific guest so really you're saying I'm an idiot as well :P

That's why I started my previous post with "no disrespect towards you". :)

mayabong 04-20-2010 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by BestXXXPorn (Post 17056691)
However, I occasionally watch the show for entertainment value or for a specific guest so really you're saying I'm an idiot as well :P

I agree though, most people probably do take him quite literally and many of the right wing fanatics probably take much of his word as law.

I wouldn't change it for the world however... it's free speech and even if I disagreed and hated the content as much as you I'd still never want to see it squashed.

I think your problem is more with the people that watch the show and take the word as law; the right wing extremists. All we can hope to do is educate them (and the left extremists too IMO). Since that's the case I prefer not to call them idiots but instead refer to them as misguided ;) I've seen many an intelligent man fight tooth and nail for an ideal they later realized was incorrect. Sometimes it was hours of debate which changed their mind, sometimes it was a book they read... either way they're still intelligent they just aren't understanding the facts correctly or are two blinded by a set of ideals that they're willing to sacrifice reason at the expense of the emotion which is engaged by that ideal being challenged.

Either way I say educated them don't desecrate them, lol

I admit I watch, him and beck sometimes. Its good to watch the mainstream news cause you can see where the agenda of the government is going. To take it as fact and let your emotions be driven by it (other than laughter), can be dangerous though. :)

Tom_PM 04-20-2010 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls (Post 17056522)
You are right, the IRS has no power to collect the "fine" as it stands NOW. But that wont last long when the system starts to bankrupt itself in the first 2 years. Then I am sure the IRS will have the power to collect the fine and back fines, seize your property and throw you in jail.

Why do you say "I am sure" when you clearly CANNOT be by definition? Why? Read this:

"In the Senate, the Finance Committee?s health care bill was amended to nullify the possibility of jail time for not paying the penalty tax. It stipulates that in the case of nonpayment, "such taxpayer shall not be subject to any criminal prosecution or penalty with respect to such failure." Instead, the Senate measure would allow the government to collect the tax by deducting it from any IRS tax-refund checks or other government payments. Should the full Senate approve that language, a House-Senate conference committee would have to wrestle with the question of whether or not a person who refuses to obtain coverage and refuses to pay the penalty can be charged with criminal tax evasion."


It is NOT sure by anyone as of this date, 4/20/10. So you can NOT be sure of anything, and if you were a reporter claiming to be fair, you could report it exactly as written. A committee would have to be selected to even decide! And thats only if they dont pay, AND have no government checks or tax refunds due in the first place. It's a million miles from "I am sure" as a person can get honestly.

So, is it ok that some TV personalities have warned and joked about being sent to jail if you dont buy health insurance? I'm sure to some people it's perfectly fine, and to the rest of us it stinks to high heaven.

Vendzilla 04-20-2010 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 17056679)
Can't spend hours looking ... but here is an example :

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hate+amer ica

You are so proving against yourself, have you seen the latest figures under Obama in foreign aid? How much has he spent on further war efforts since taking office?

Vendzilla 04-20-2010 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 17056720)
Why do you say "I am sure" when you clearly CANNOT be by definition? Why? Read this:

"In the Senate, the Finance Committee’s health care bill was amended to nullify the possibility of jail time for not paying the penalty tax. It stipulates that in the case of nonpayment, "such taxpayer shall not be subject to any criminal prosecution or penalty with respect to such failure." Instead, the Senate measure would allow the government to collect the tax by deducting it from any IRS tax-refund checks or other government payments. Should the full Senate approve that language, a House-Senate conference committee would have to wrestle with the question of whether or not a person who refuses to obtain coverage and refuses to pay the penalty can be charged with criminal tax evasion."


It is NOT sure by anyone as of this date, 4/20/10. So you can NOT be sure of anything, and if you were a reporter claiming to be fair, you could report it exactly as written. A committee would have to be selected to even decide! And thats only if they dont pay, AND have no government checks or tax refunds due in the first place. It's a million miles from "I am sure" as a person can get honestly.

So, is it ok that some TV personalities have warned and joked about being sent to jail if you dont buy health insurance? I'm sure to some people it's perfectly fine, and to the rest of us it stinks to high heaven.

So what your saying is that the IRS can add more taxes to you to pay for the health care bill, what happens to people that don't pay their taxes?

IllTestYourGirls 04-20-2010 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 17056720)
Why do you say "I am sure" when you clearly CANNOT be by definition? Why? Read this:

"In the Senate, the Finance Committee?s health care bill was amended to nullify the possibility of jail time for not paying the penalty tax. It stipulates that in the case of nonpayment, "such taxpayer shall not be subject to any criminal prosecution or penalty with respect to such failure." Instead, the Senate measure would allow the government to collect the tax by deducting it from any IRS tax-refund checks or other government payments. Should the full Senate approve that language, a House-Senate conference committee would have to wrestle with the question of whether or not a person who refuses to obtain coverage and refuses to pay the penalty can be charged with criminal tax evasion."


It is NOT sure by anyone as of this date, 4/20/10. So you can NOT be sure of anything, and if you were a reporter claiming to be fair, you could report it exactly as written. A committee would have to be selected to even decide! And thats only if they dont pay, AND have no government checks or tax refunds due in the first place. It's a million miles from "I am sure" as a person can get honestly.

So, is it ok that some TV personalities have warned and joked about being sent to jail if you dont buy health insurance? I'm sure to some people it's perfectly fine, and to the rest of us it stinks to high heaven.

You really don't believe that the government at some point in time wont come after people who do not pay the fine? :Oh crap

sperbonzo 04-20-2010 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 17056685)
This country's great right/left divide became very ugly during Bill Clinton's presidency. It was always there, but it wasn't until Fox (which officially launched on October 9, 1986) fanned the flames, and the hatred was heated up to the point where it is today.


I'm not sure what the heck you are talking about, but the things said during the 70s and the 80s on both sides politically were just as divisive as they are today. As for the media, there was ONLY liberal viewpoints represented before the rise of talk radio and Fox. I worked as a camera operator on an ENG truck contracted to KTLA in the 80s. Every single person I worked with and came into contact with was an outspoken liberal, and I personally saw news stories re-edited or just not aired at all in order to align with the viewpoint of the editors and producers, who were all liberals.


You can say what you like about the "Liberal Media" being some kind of false rumour being spread by conservatives, but I know what I witnessed first hand back then, so......





.:2 cents:

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IllTestYourGirls 04-20-2010 10:53 AM

I wondering where all the "lefts" mistrust/healthy questioning of government went. What a sad state of affairs.

J. Falcon 04-20-2010 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17056694)

Please show me where he lied, I'm interested on where you get your information?

I watch him and the one thing I love about the show is that he gives the liberals a place to come on the show, watching it when Jon Stewart comes on is a crack up


Yeah he gives them a place, in order to ridicule them and cut their mics when they say something he doesn't want to hear.
















This last video is the best. Watch the end.


Vendzilla 04-20-2010 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 17056685)
This country's great right/left divide became very ugly during Bill Clinton's presidency. It was always there, but it wasn't until Fox (which officially launched on October 9, 1986) fanned the flames, and the hatred was heated up to the point where it is today.

Yeah it's terrible when people get both sides

I remember the people shouting out baby killer at Bush rallies covered by MSNBC

directfiesta 04-20-2010 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17056724)
You are so proving against yourself, have you seen the latest figures under Obama in foreign aid? How much has he spent on further war efforts since taking office?

You are RIGHT ..... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

The Demon 04-20-2010 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17053368)
Why would a difference in politics equat to respect?
If everybody thought the same way, it would be a boring existance.

Ignore GatorB and the liberal morons. If it's not leftist bullshit, it's automatically right wing propaganda.

J. Falcon 04-20-2010 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17056694)
I watch him and the one thing I love about the show is that he gives the liberals a place to come on the show, watching it when Jon Stewart comes on is a crack up

Yes, here is interviewing (attacking) the son of a 9 / 11 victim.



J. Falcon 04-20-2010 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17056755)
Ignore GatorB and the liberal morons. If it's not leftist bullshit, it's automatically right wing propaganda.

STFU you worthless troll.

The Demon 04-20-2010 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by J. Falcon (Post 17056764)
STFU you worthless troll.

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Originally Posted by J. Falcon (Post 17056764)
Boohoo nobody acknowledges my existence on this forum because I'm a moronic tool.

What a loser..

IllTestYourGirls 04-20-2010 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17056752)
Yeah it's terrible when people get both sides

I remember the people shouting out baby killer at Bush rallies covered by MSNBC

Being anti-war and for small government (they actually go hand in hand, something the left has yet to understand) I have been to both anti-war rallies and tea parties. The anti-war rallies were the most hate filled events I have seen. I would never take my child to one. However, the tea parties is like a Sunday picnic. Tons of children and families.

mayabong 04-20-2010 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by J. Falcon (Post 17056745)
Yeah he gives them a place, in order to ridicule them and cut their mics when they say something he doesn't want to hear.
















This last video is the best. Watch the end.


NIce Montage!

directfiesta 04-20-2010 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17056752)
Yeah it's terrible when people get both sides

I remember the people shouting out baby killer at Bush rallies covered by MSNBC

At your level .... pics you should understand ...:1orglaugh

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/image.../bush_baby.jpg

The Demon 04-20-2010 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls (Post 17056769)
Being anti-war and for small government (they actually go hand in hand, something the left has yet to understand) I have been to both anti-war rallies and tea parties. The anti-war rallies were the most hate filled events I have seen. I would never take my child to one. However, the tea parties is like a Sunday picnic. Tons of children and families.

No way you're lying and spewing right wing propaganda.

J. Falcon 04-20-2010 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17056767)
What a loser..

Right, that's why I'm in conversations with people every here every day while you just troll for political threads where you can call other people "morons" right? Isn't that right Dave?

The Demon 04-20-2010 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by J. Falcon (Post 17056775)
Right, that's why I'm in conversations with people every here every day while you just troll for political threads where you can call other people "morons" right? Isn't that right Dave?

That's why you are virtually 100% ignored in political threads when you try so hard to post? That includes making threads and being ignored, calling me a troll(the irony) and being ignored, and calling me "dave", and being ignored. You're a sad human being:)

mayabong 04-20-2010 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17056767)
What a loser..

This is an honest question demon that I don't know the answer to. What is the difference between a liberal and a true conservative republican? Since I hate labels anyways I'd like to know what a liberal is, (their beliefs)

Vendzilla 04-20-2010 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 17056773)
At your level .... pics you should understand ...:1orglaugh

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/image.../bush_baby.jpg

Right now, your level is that of a tree stump, let me know when you can do better than a bad picture

The Demon 04-20-2010 11:06 AM

The funny thing is, I'm on this forum mostly for intellectual discussions, if not finding random dating sponsors, and I don't troll adult threads. You embarrass yourself on a daily basis trolling intellectual threads with your nonsense, and then wonder why nobody, including the admin, pays any attention to you. :)

The Demon 04-20-2010 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by mayabong (Post 17056790)
This is an honest question demon that I don't know the answer to. What is the difference between a liberal and a true conservative republican? Since I hate labels anyways I'd like to know what a liberal is, (their beliefs)

Depends on what you mean by liberal? Do you mean classical liberal, or modern liberal?

http://www.ncpa.org/pdfs/Classical_L...ervatis m.pdf

This is the best read I've ever seen on the different political ideologies.. You won't find anything more descriptive.

J. Falcon 04-20-2010 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17056799)
The funny thing is, I'm on this forum mostly for intellectual discussions

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

mayabong 04-20-2010 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17056799)
The funny thing is, I'm on this forum mostly for intellectual discussions, if not finding random dating sponsors, and I don't troll adult threads. You embarrass yourself on a daily basis trolling intellectual threads with your nonsense, and then wonder why nobody, including the admin, pays any attention to you. :)

I've honestly never seen you have a discussion demon haha. If you can't debate something that has been brought up you just call names or say people are on drugs. Great intellectual debater!

Tom_PM 04-20-2010 11:10 AM

Do I "believe" that at some point the government would go after someone who 1) doesnt buy insurance 2) doesnt pay a penalty 3) doesnt have any government income to garnish and 4) doesnt ever get any tax refunds or rebates from which to garnish either?

Shit I dont know. Maybe? How many permutations and strange twists do I, a nobody, have to imagine and then answer for others on gfy? Zero.

:pimp

The Demon 04-20-2010 11:11 AM

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You see, today's liberals want to be ruled by an enligthened despot, the "best and the brightest," not "Joe Six-Pack." Kings, so to speak, descended from other kings. Or even better, a Lightworker. They distrust individual rights and disdain the "normal, average American."

Contast this with Classical Liberalism as espoused by John Locke, Adam Smith, and Thomas Jefferson. They believed strongly in limited government and the free market. While Modern Liberalism believes that people only have rights as delineated by the government, Classical Liberalism held that people have natural rights from the Divine Creator, apart from government. Government derived its power solely from the people, and the people could dissolve the government at will. The only legitimate purpose of government was to protect these individual rights.

Jefferson believed the power of the government should lay with the comman man, the so-called "yeoman farmer." He distrusted elites and felt legislators would be influenced by the wealthy.
...........

J. Falcon 04-20-2010 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by mayabong (Post 17056815)
I've honestly never seen you have a discussion demon haha. If you can't debate something that has been brought up you just call names or say people are on drugs. Great intellectual debater!

Or maybe he just tells people like Vendzilla to ignore so and so because so and so is a retard and a moron. Or quotes people like me and tells me everyone ignores me, although ironically he is always responding to whatever I say. But in his own mind he is a great debater and apparently an intellectual :1orglaugh

The Demon 04-20-2010 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by mayabong (Post 17056815)
I've honestly never seen you have a discussion demon haha. If you can't debate something that has been brought up you just call names or say people are on drugs. Great intellectual debater!

When people below my intellectual capacities try to criticize my intelligence, I find it amusing. By your logic, nobody is able to debate with you because you come up with the most outlandish shit, and expect people to prove you wrong. Try again:)

The Demon 04-20-2010 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by J. Falcon (Post 17056824)
Or maybe he just tells people like Vendzilla to ignore so and so because so and so is a retard and a moron. Or quotes people like me and tells me everyone ignores me, although ironically he is always responding to whatever I say. But in his own mind he is a great debater and apparently an intellectual :1orglaugh

Poor guy. He hilarious omits the fact that I always tell him I have so much sympathy for him, that I'm the only one who responds to him. It's sad talking to someone almost twice your age, and half your IQ. Oh well, you're in the right business JFalcon!

Oh I forgot, anybody who ignores or makes fun of JFalcon is either me using another username, or me telling them to ignore/make fun of him!! ROFL talk about delusional.

mayabong 04-20-2010 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17056822)
...........

I don't understand, do you agree with most of what ron paul says? or more of what palin says? You seem to lean more in the ron paul direction (maybe I'm wrong). Isn't that a more liberal position?

J. Falcon 04-20-2010 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17056827)
When people below my intellectual capacities try to criticize my intelligence, I find it amusing.

Are there people that stupid?

Vendzilla 04-20-2010 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by J. Falcon (Post 17056760)
Yes, here is interviewing (attacking) the son of a 9 / 11 victim.



I don't see where he was attacking him, he was attacking his politics, maybe writing like that you should work for Fox news?

The Demon 04-20-2010 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by mayabong (Post 17056833)
I don't understand, do you agree with most of what ron paul says? or more of what palin says? You seem to lean more in the ron paul direction (maybe I'm wrong). Isn't that a more liberal position?

I agree with Ron Paul's economic policies because he's a genius in that field. I think his foreign policies are shit.

The Demon 04-20-2010 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17056842)
I don't see where he was attacking him, he was attacking his politics, maybe writing like that you should work for Fox news?

JFalcon is the dumbest of the dumbest. It's inconceivable that this moron doesn't have some kind of help getting through the day. His stupidity is both amusing and sad.

J. Falcon 04-20-2010 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17056842)
I don't see where he was attacking him, he was attacking his politics, maybe writing like that you should work for Fox news?

You don't see where he was attacking him? Telling him to shut up, ordering his microphone to be cut off, saying shit about his father. Please. And what happened to the other videos I posted? You couldn't find anything to say about those?

mayabong 04-20-2010 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17056849)
I agree with Ron Paul's economic policies because he's a genius in that field. I think his foreign policies are shit.

According to ron paul you can't have a foreign policy like we have and have an economic policy like he preaches (it cant be sustained). His economic policies are directly tied to his foreign policy.. don't see how you can like one and hate the other. This is the paradox of the hijacked tea party these days.
:2 cents:


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