Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 17057004)

Obama is a two term president - GUARANTEED!

Originally Posted by mgtarheels (Post 17057421)

Not completely up-to-date.


For example, CBS is currently 42 approve, 50 disapprove.

Originally Posted by BestXXXPorn (Post 17057381)

Hahhaah I didn't say I had the answers! But I do believe I have a firm grasp on the problems :) That, of course, may be debatable BUT I'm a firm believer in placing logic and reason above every and all emotions when it comes to defining legislation and laws.

In that respect I try and analyze the data sets presented to me without bias. For me personally, and being that I'm a Libertarian, I put individual freedom, liberties, and property rights above EVERYTHING else. This is a core value for me that I will never sway on.

REGARDLESS of the issue I apply only these core values. I don't care if it's the KKK wanting to hold a rally at the local park (which I would NOT want but it IS their right) or if it's raising minimum wage. I try and leave all personal attachments completely out of the picture. This is where I know I differ with a LOT of people, specifically those that lean to the left. For example in healthcare... I think cheaper healthcare and easy access for everyone is an AWESOME idea, I fucking LOVE it. However when I remove my own personal feelings from the issue what I'm left with is. How can it possibly be cheaper if you have to add a massive amount of overhead in order to regulate the healthcare industry... That really just means it's more expensive... ANY way you slice it. The money is moved around differently however so it makes it look cheaper. Before I get the "lower the cost by having everyone insured so ER visits by idiots aren't driving up the bills" speech. I'd like to say that I see that is an issue and something needs to be done... However something ELSE could be done to address that problem without putting in place more government regulation and more employees and more spending...

Hahha I know I just rambled on there but that's a little insight as to all of my posts in these little political debates. You can count on my stance never changing regardless of the content of the legislation ;)

Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 17057431)

You could go on and on forever about healthcare and I think that's really this is going to be this guys main legacy or demonization in the end. Fact is though, we all know something had to be done and no one was doing shit about shit and you damn well know republicans weren't about to tackle something like this. I wouldn't be surprised if they are secretly happy this is being handled now. Shit they are probably going to vote for him for another four just to make sure this crap takes hold for better or worse.

Originally Posted by mgtarheels (Post 17057436)

Oh, and BTW...I'm a registered Dem ;)

Originally Posted by uno (Post 17057426)

:2 cents: He's guaranteed 2 terms unless there's some unknown repub phenom that will show up in the next year. The current crop is a sad testament to what the party has become.

Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 17057449)

And fancy that, if I'm even registered it's probably independant. Go Figure!

Originally Posted by mgtarheels (Post 17057440)

Uh, Mitt Romney proposed his healthcare bill before Obama.

Originally Posted by BestXXXPorn (Post 17057451)

I'd say the same thing about Democrats... Obama included...

Getting elected president has become more about your personal charisma than anything else anyway. Obama is very charming, he knows how to talk to people and that, sadly, is what most people are voting on these days.

After Bush people REALLY wanted someone with more "stage presence" and public speaking skills...

As much as I hated Bush in office I feel like too much focus was paid to his poor public speaking skills. Does anyone even realize these days that someone can have very poor public speaking skills but still be able to lead this country better than anyone else?

I for one wish there was a president who would stand up and speak like a normal human being with complete disregard for the PC BS... no prewritten speeches just some note cards... but there's too many expectations for that to be feasible these days. Amplified by Bush's stay in office.

It's one of the reasons I really like Ron Paul though... He doesn't sound the same all the time. You can tell he genuinely understands economics and the topics he speaks on very very well. Even if you disagree with the view point. Every president in the last X years, Obama included, rely on creative lead-ins to their prepared speech on any given topic. That's just politics but I don't like it and it doesn't give me faith in the person who's spouting it, only doubt. BUT I'm not the average voter either so it's really not targeted to me ;)

Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 17057457)

Mitt Romney is a fascinating guy. That's my home he won governorship in and if you had any clue about that state the idea of a mormon with magic underwear winning is just beyond belief. I live on the left coast now.

Originally Posted by mgtarheels (Post 17057462)

What's this have to do with you spewing your ignorant bullshit?

Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 17057431)

You could go on and on forever about healthcare and I think that's really this is going to be this guys main legacy or demonization in the end. Fact is though, we all know something had to be done and no one was doing shit about shit and you damn well know republicans weren't about to tackle something like this. I wouldn't be surprised if they are secretly happy this is being handled now. Shit they are probably going to vote for him for another four just to make sure this crap takes hold for better or worse.

Originally Posted by BestXXXPorn (Post 17057451)

I'd say the same thing about Democrats... Obama included...

Getting elected president has become more about your personal charisma than anything else anyway. Obama is very charming, he knows how to talk to people and that, sadly, is what most people are voting on these days.

After Bush people REALLY wanted someone with more "stage presence" and public speaking skills...

As much as I hated Bush in office I feel like too much focus was paid to his poor public speaking skills. Does anyone even realize these days that someone can have very poor public speaking skills but still be able to lead this country better than anyone else?

I for one wish there was a president who would stand up and speak like a normal human being with complete disregard for the PC BS... no prewritten speeches just some note cards... but there's too many expectations for that to be feasible these days. Amplified by Bush's stay in office.

It's one of the reasons I really like Ron Paul though... He doesn't sound the same all the time. You can tell he genuinely understands economics and the topics he speaks on very very well. Even if you disagree with the view point. Every president in the last X years, Obama included, rely on creative lead-ins to their prepared speech on any given topic. That's just politics but I don't like it and it doesn't give me faith in the person who's spouting it, only doubt. BUT I'm not the average voter either so it's really not targeted to me ;)

Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 17057483)

Well, I got the magic underwear in there, right?

It's like he's a governor from a liberal state that's more liberal than california, so if you're backing him you might be more ignorant than I know you are.

I guess that would be my point.

P.S, I guess your work doesn't take much cause you were supposed to get back to it about like fucking almost an hour ago. Shit, glad I dont' work for you. This could explain a lot about our economy these days.

Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 17057498)

Everything you just said is really what made people like Little Bush before hindsight. Just saying. He could talk to anyone. That was his skill. I really think he wasn't as evil as people think and just an idiot who was under qualified for the job, but maybe I fell in love with that Olive Stone movie. I used to think he was pure evil until that movie

Originally Posted by mgtarheels (Post 17057073)

Mitt Romney.

To start, I never once claimed Bush was better than Clinton.

Again, many polls have Obama with a higher disapproval rate than an approval rate. To think Obama is untouchable is laughable.

Originally Posted by mgtarheels (Post 17057503)

Multitasking is a skill, apparently something you don't have. I don't hire ignorant try-hards, regardless.

I'm also not following on how someone who would follow him would be ignorant?

Originally Posted by mgtarheels (Post 17057512)

You do understand he tested with a 143 on the IQ tests? I'm positive that's higher than you.

Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 17057528)

I agree - Mitt Romney is, by far, the GOP's strongest candidate they currently have to run against Obama. I still can't figure out how McCain beat him out as the frontrunner last time.

Obama has been incorporating numerous Romney ideas and suggestions, forcing Romney to debate against himself on many of the issues. Can you say "flip-flop"?

Obama vs Romney will be the tightest race possible, but in the end, Obama will still win.... unless Obama ties Bo to his car's roof for a 12 hour road trip!

Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 17057528)

I agree - Mitt Romney is, by far, the GOP's strongest candidate they currently have to run against Obama. I still can't figure out how McCain beat him out as the frontrunner last time.

Obama has been incorporating numerous Romney ideas and suggestions, forcing Romney to debate against himself on many of the issues. Can you say "flip-flop"?

Obama vs Romney will be the tightest race possible, but in the end, Obama will still win.... unless Obama ties Bo to his car's roof for a 12 hour road trip!

Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 17057529)

Well, since I didn't have to make a point of getting back to work and am still making money as I absorb your nonsense I guess I have a little clue of it.

Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 17057542)

You're big on numbers and I'm not or I would blow this one out of the waters, but my SAT's were very fucking high. I can't remember my last IQ but it was at least in that area, maybe less though.

I actually forced lower scores though to prove a point, myself and a few people I was working with. It is really funny how useless all the final test scores are and so many underachievers seem to succeed far better than these so called geniatrics!

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 17057111)

i love these threads - you have someone fuck up a country, an economy and a worldwide reputation in 8 years and then blame everything on the one who has to clean the shit up

Originally Posted by mgtarheels (Post 17057562)

Then I suppose we're in the same boat.

Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 17057583)

https://youtube.com/watch?v=1vUCGH61Uk4

Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 17057577)

Again I didn't make an issue out of having to get back to work, but you're the genius, right? :thumbsup

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17057571)

Im just waiting for him to start cleaning it up, it's just getting worse

And I blame Bush for the shit that happened, until at least the Democrats got into office in 2006 with the battle cry "CHANGE" Things went to shit after that and they didn't do anything to stop it, Obama got in office in 2008 on the battle cry of "CHANGE" even more people are unemployed

Originally Posted by mgtarheels (Post 17057595)

Who says I'm not working? Making the network larger is never a bad thing :)

Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 17057602)

Your network? Come on, think about that :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by mgtarheels (Post 17057606)

Yep. You've no idea who I am or what I do. CamHalo? A test. :)

Also looking for tests in several niches now.

Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 17057617)

Cams(dot)com has been around since they shot Lincoln. What's so special about your site and why would you promote a competition right in your header?

Originally Posted by mgtarheels (Post 17057625)

Did you conveniently miss the word, "test"?

Originally Posted by mgtarheels (Post 17057628)

And that header wasn't there earlier. It rid of my logo...weird.

Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 17057642)

That header shit makes all the difference.

Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17057639)

I love these threads. You have someone fuck up a country in a year almost as bad as the previous president did for 8 years, and you blame everything on the previous administration :)

Also, LOL@smut having a high SAT/IQ. That's like saying POed had a PHD.

Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17057639)

I love these threads. You have someone fuck up a country in a year almost as bad as the previous president did for 8 years, and you blame everything on the previous administration :)

Also, LOL@smut having a high SAT/IQ. That's like saying POed had a PHD.