And this is helping the job market how? People in mass numbers are either unemployed or under employed and that number has been steady for how long? It's just bankers making money, thats what the DOW is and thats what got us in this mess to begin with. So forgive me for not thinking sunshine is coming out of Obama's ass!

Yes investments are better, but what about the people that live off their CD's, they live off the interest that comes from money that's been saved for a long time.They are lucky to get 1.5% on their money. My mother is one of them. She didn't trust wall street with her money, but is now being hurt by low interest rates because she put it in CD's

The only real indicator that the economy is getting better is jobs, without more jobs for more people that want to work, the economy forecast is bad

Yeah, for the bankers and they got us in this mess

Goldman Sachs is on trial, Obama says he wants their head on a pole. Did you know that they contributed almost a million dollars to his campaign.
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/co...&cid=n00009638

And Obama want finance reform, I call bullshit

You clearly don't know anything about the Dow. If you look at the volume of traders, it's shit low when the dow rises, and extensively high when it goes down. This means that a select few are grabbing up the pie and more and more people are getting out. This ALSO means that despite the government's constant intervention and spin in the stock market(reason for it rising), people have stopped believing them. And finally, the dow is highly overvalued. But I shouldn't expect you to be objective, or intelligent, should I directfiesta? Hint: Rhetorical question..

Actually, things have gotten progressively worse. Bernanke and the Obama Administration are doing everything they can to try and put a spin for all of the problems. Hell, they blamed ice storms for rising unemployment claims. Foreclosures keep rising and haven't even bottomed out yet. The dollar continues to be debased. Our national debt and budget deficits keep rising thanks to Barry. We're fucked pretty much, thanks Obama!

The leftists want to smear the Tea Party movement by calling them "racists" but it just isn't so.

I call bullshit as well on the financial reform but I don't think that has much to do with the numbers in that graph.

The bankers didn't get us in this mess. The politicians on both sides cleared the way for the bankers and now they are sitting their acting like the bankers are the crooks.

Wow so bush did save the economy! After all Obama can not take credit for anything bad in his first two years right? BTW that is the worse way to judge how the economy is doing, so we can lose millions of jobs for a year and gain nothing so the economy is rebounding? How many jobs lost :1orglaugh

People are fucking retards! You would think human beings would learn from history but they never do!

The spinsters on both sides of the fence will always make it out to be to their advantage in an effort to smear the other side. If you want to see if the economy has improved or not...just look at how real life is. Are people spending more? Are people working more? Are people on welfare more? Are people paying more taxes? Check out your own life...are you at risk of losing your job? Have you lost your job? If you're in any kind of job where the exchange of money is involved, has the trend increased or decreased? If you walk the streets, do you see more or less homeless people? If you're in the market for a house, or looking to sell a house, how's that going? Prices going up or down?

This is such a bullshit one-subject issue that both sides are gonna push around but in reality, the effects of policy have very little effect by themselves. Neither Bush nor Obama are responsible for economic changes, as much as we would like to make them both into scapegoats. The real cause for economic change comes from the select few at the top who control the flow of money. Their actions dictate the economy, not the government's actions. Although the President and Congress can certainly influence the economy, they have no direct control over it.

Now, here in PR, things are entirely different. The government CAN and HAS royally raped the economy. Aníbal Acevedo Vilá, the last governor, totally fucked PR by screwing with the tax system...after promising that there would be no service tax instated (the New Progressive Party stated that they WOULD implement it, and the people voted against them for this reason), he went ahead and did it anyways. In the meantime, they decided to do away with the import tax of 6.6%. Prices should have fallen...in fact, many places were advertising that prices would now be 6.6% lower. A total ruse...nothing went down in price, and now there was a new 7% tax stacked on top of the prices people were already paying. Between this and the large number of corruption charges he faced, he was easily defeated by Luis Guillermo Fortuño Burset in 2008. Of course, Fortuño fucked PR further by cutting over 17000 low-level government jobs by lottery. PR needed to reduce its number of government positions, as there was a huge insurgence of "useless" government jobs given to lackey asshats by Sila María Calderón during her reign of terror as governor. But instead of cutting the jobs in high-level positions, where it would have had some kind of effect, they just started cutting low-level positions by lottery, firing teachers, police, etc. at total random. The high-level fat cats in San Juan all still have their jobs untouched and voted themselves yet another raise while thousands of real workers got screwed. The economy here did a nosedive and has yet to recover.

Pretty much.. like I've said to various IRL friends... It's been "building up" the last few presidencies and shit will either a) explode in a few years or b) politicians will start to listen and everything will be kosher

Just like how Tea Party people are racist, inbred hicks who hate everything and everyone?

I'm sure George Soros and other "lefties" thought those "commie hippies" were freedom fighters and patriots. The only difference, really, is that most of those "lefties" aren't fighting for anarcho-communism or a brand of libertarian-socialism, but rather complete state control. The Tea Party people are more "freedom fighters"... especially if you take out the religious nuts. There are bad apples in the movement.. and the media focuses on them.. know why? Look at this thread - it's got people talking and watching their station(s) more often. I live in the Bible Belt and haven't seen any of these "crazy Tea Baggers".. mostly libertarians who are tired of the bullshit.


And to the TS..

Give me any group of 100+ people and I can show you a racist, a gay guy, and maybe even a pedophile. Coincidences are just that... coincidences. :thumbsup Don't believe everything the alarmist media shows you. :winkwink:

Nothing that has been done will achieve what I've emphasized in your post.

The US should have done what Taiwan did. Take the best aspects of what Japan, the UK, Canada, Germany, and France did... combine them, and bam. THEN and ONLY then would we have a good health care system costs-wise. Tort reform may help, but it wouldn't do anything. JUST tort reform won't do shit - and JUST making everyone buy health insurance definitely won't do shit. When a hospital has to pay a 1000% and higher mark-up on a bunch of things, there's an issue. Yet Wal-Mart barely even puts a mark up on their Plasma TV's.

That's because they strangulate their suppliers. :) We used to work for a company that supplied Walmart with product, so I know this from first-hand experience. If hospitals had the kind of bargaining ability that Walmart has, would things change?

Yeah, I'm aware of that. A friend of the family's family owned a chemical plant that supplied the regional Wal-Marts with a lot of their soap(what they use in the break rooms, etc) and they were forced to pretty much break even.. ended up going out of business. :helpme

To answer your question: Maybe, but I doubt it. That'd take every hospital standing together.

There are people that live in reality, and then there's Tom.

Lol comeon obviously he is a troll. Many of those are photoshopped.