Then they shouldn't be using it.

I don't blame anyone for not being able to afford something.
The blame gets introduced when they use lack of money as an excuse to steal.
I'd love to have a new yacht. Can't afford one right now. But, if I use your excuse, I can just go steal one instead.

100% of us in this thread have used stolen software and all of us have purchased software, often the software we stole. If it wasn't Photoshop it was something else...

Adobe made hundreds of millions because of Piracy, without it Paint Shop Pro would be the leader.

And for the 1 guy that hasn't ever pirated software... grats newbie.

*adobe has profited off of pirated software* is an internet myth

Adobe made hundreds of millions through sales.
Piracy doesn't pay anything.
Paint Shop Pro is not in the same league as Photoshop.
And we're not just talking about the image editor, but usually the entire Adobe Suite.

So what?

Shantanu sent me a brand new copy of CS6 last week. :)

Go fuck yourself fake nic. :321GFY

LOL

So I guess I'm the newbie in the room. :1orglaugh

No it's not... Years ago Adobe said at a Seminar that Piracy paved the way for them.


Way back about 15 years ago, Paint Shop Pro was the leader and kicking Photoshops teeth in. Everyone was using Paint Shop Pro on a PC, even after Photoshop came out of Beta. People didn't rush out to buy it.

Then the piracy started, Photoshop hit the piracy market shortly after Beta like no other software in History. It took about 3 years for Photoshop to crush the entire market...

They didn't only crush them in sales, they crushed them by 1000x in users. When you have a reach that big, you get more sales than everyone, you get more of everything because it's what everyone is talking about. And it created a massive sub-market for products, like plugins and actions and 100k's of tutorial sites, spreading the brand. Piracy is also not perfect and not without bugs...


Piracy is also the fastest and cheapest way in the world to reach the global market, and do it without every direct marketing anyone.

It sounds expensive, but only because everyone on the internet is used to getting shit for free... any reasonably skilled designer can do one job and get that $1k investment back...
try doing the same running any offline business... :2 cents:

I don't believe you haven't ever pirated before... :thumbsup

Never downloaded music, a movie, never watched a music video on Youtube?


Put your moral values away.

i've yet to ever find or see someone link to or provide any official adobe document, memo, email. video, etc stating that piracy has been a part of the success of photoshop and that piracy *paved the way* i mean seriously, to think that piracy of your own product is no only acceptable and condoned, but paved the way for the success of what is clearly the best product in its category

having been in sales for as long as i have, i would hope i would of come across more info on this.

If you are really that good at convincing webmasters to pay for software and you take your "valuable" time to "defend" a giant like ADOBE, then try to convince 100,000 visitors, entering sites like pornbb dot org, or extreme-board, every single day and downloading COMPLETE SITE RIPS, thousands in $$, for FREE.... that they should actually PAY for it...

Yes, we talking about the same shit here..

Wouldn't your commercial usage be breaking the licensing terms of the educational pricing/version?

I got it for free and didn't have to download it from a torrent site. Haven't even bothered installing it yet.

Oh then you have missed out, they have talked about piracy on several occasions. They aren't saying, hey pirate us - but they recognized what piracy did for them.

They aren't the only software company, film company, producer, to make such claims.... at all. I have personally made millions directly from Pirating my own content.

Piracy sucks when it happens to you - but at the same time, it's a MAJOR information gateway, it creates entire Industries, it allows trash to be put away and the best to rise to the top - and it allows for everyone to play the game.


Fair use for example: "accounted for 23 percent of real economic growth"

http://www.ccianet.org/index.asp?sid...8&evtflg=False

"It found companies benefiting from limitations on copyright-holders’ exclusive rights, such as “fair use” – generated revenue of $4.7 trillion in 2007 – a 36 percent increase over 2002 revenue of $3.4 trillion."

While this is fair use, it really makes no difference... when we want to see how powerful this side of the 'net can be.

If anything Piracy made it harder for shit Companies to rise to the top simply because they have the marketing dollars and it allowed the proper Companies like Adobe to sling shot straight to the top....because that's what the people called for.

Do you think Adobe would rather have my $199 or just use a Keygen like most "students"?

Never mind...Really not worth my time.

But at least I know where you stand on stealing shit.

I installed the trial, will see if i will upgrade

Amazing how some of you are advocating piracy here

... with all the piracy hurting our business these days, you would think that's kinda hypocritical no?

Maybe it's lame to buy a license, but I think it's worth it, so let me be lame :321GFY

No worries... I saw your quote.. I don't believe you, straight up.


I own my software and my music and damn straight, I have tested, listened and tried TONS of stuff online, before I buy it - almost 100% of the time. It would be impossible for me to know how much money this has saved me.... allowing me to invest my money back into my Company and not someone else's trash.

while piracy hurts in porn it also helps in small amount. If everyone stole photoshop adobe would be SOL, same with porn. But with a limited spread, it spreads the brand out... everytime someone sees idk bangbros on a tube site and likes it, it just keeps them with that brand... etc... too much piracy is bad for any company, or product but a certain amount can be just marketing and brand awareness....

unfortunatly porn is getting past the tipping scale :helpme

:2 cents:

So because YOU are a thief, that means everybody else in the world must be one too?

By your logic I should run down to Best Buy and steal a bunch of their home theater stuff so I can make sure I like how it sounds in my own home and it works for me.

Also by your logic it's OK for surfers to steal content. I mean why would they buy a membership if they haven't tested, watched, and tried TONS of stuff online?

"That case of beer looks good but I can't see paying for if since I haven't tried it. Guess I will just steal a case of it then buy more in the future if it agrees with me."

Until today I had a decent amount of respect for you...Not that you care or it really matters one little bit....However you calling me a thief and a liar doesn't sit too well with me.

nobody talked about "tubes" here...

quite a difference with complete site rips in HD, don't you think so?

No offense, but you calling him a thief is just as out of line as him calling you a thief and liar.

http://stuff.lifetimeblood.info/piracy-is-not-theft.png

well, i've yet to see any official adobe statement as such. and based on who their target market is and the quality of the product, the success of the product is based on the quality, not the fact that script kiddies can crack it and have that on their box to show off their hacking skillz eh.

Either you're a thief like me or a liar not like me, I'm not calling you both.

You can often try theater stuff from Best Buy for a bit and return it if you don't like it. Just like with most software you can try it free, with limits - however Best Buy doesn't give me limits other than time.

It is okay for Surfers to steal (ie duplicate) your content - you allow them to download it don't you? Did they sign an agreement with you? Did they take the Org copy from you?

Bars often let you try a Drink first before you buy it... I have many friends let me try what they have before I buy it.


If you don't like thief's, then why do you hang around who you do? Don't you sip drinks with the same people I do?

Right...Because the word "Piracy" originated from people copying things from one ship to the other.

:1orglaugh

I didn't catch the official statement either.... then again they have probably made about a million and it's not like any of us read them all. However, as stated it was in a Seminar that they said it.

When Photoshop first came out, it wasn't really better than Paint Shop Pro - actually it wasn't a "web graphics creator", it was a Photo editor and sold as one.

Photoshop was later pirated... mostly by Graphic Designers, Design Companies and Web Developers - which turned around and purchased it, after it was made better.

Anyone else, didn't care to learn how to use it, so they weren't a factor either way.

Fuck All This Bullshit! Do It Or Don't And Don't Throw Stones. You want a URL? Cause I ain't giving it to anyone who was calling people thieves! I just don't want to force anyone into hypocrisy!

LOL, i before e except what..? LOL

The word piracy is new (1990's) it means to Copy Digital Goods.. You can't pirate a dishwashers.

You are so full of shit it's beyond stupidly funny.

No, I do not allow surfers to download my content. I'm sure they find ways to do so but do I allow them to? Absolutely not.

"Bars often let you try a Drink first before you buy it... I have many friends let me try what they have before I buy it."

Are we talking about your friends or the bar? I have NEVER had a bar tell me I could try the drink first unless they were doing a promotion of some sort.

It seems to me that you find any and every way you can to manipulate any and all systems you can. That says a lot about your character.

My issue is not as much with you being a thief as it is with you calling me one.

And yes, you have indirectly called me BOTH a thief and a liar.

I sip drinks with all sorts of people. That doesn't make them my friends and also doesn't mean I know all their dirty little secrets. I limit my everyday activities to a very select group of people for exactly this reason.

Since you like to generalize about people though....Some of the people that you and I "sip drinks with" also snort cocaine. By your miserably flawed logic that means you and I do as well...Which, you most likely do however I never have. Never felt the need to steal any so I could try it either.

I suppose one can't steal gold from a ship either because that would be piracy and not stealing. You're a fucking idiot.

Piracy is stealing. PERIOD.

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/201...-piracy-video/

You have made a conscience decision to be a thief and proudly promote that fact. Congrats to you and yours. :321GFY

I'm out.

hindsight is another matter though eh, in hindsight, adobe realizes that their early product was easy to pirate and pass around the office. but that certainly does not mean it was planned or strategy or condoned. it simply means that at that time there was much to learn about combating it.

adobe wouldn't of incorporated all the anti-piracy code the product has and it also would not of introduced products such as ps elements and educational versions if it were actively marketing/advocating its product via piracy.

funny thread

Really? You can ask for a sample at almost any bar or pub.

That depends on what it is... manipulation is creation.


Well, I don't believe you haven't ever downloaded software, music, watched a tube stream, watched a music video, checked something on spike or some network like that which is all pirated...

... it's just complete bullshit - and nobody is going to believe you.



The point was you lost respect for me because you think trying things is stealing, when your "FRIENDS" that you hang out with from show to show - are far worse than anything I have done when 'testing' software....

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/piracy

Please mix me a Long Island so I can try it before I buy it. Right. :thumbsup

I lost respect for you because you called me a thief and a liar, not because you are those things yourself.

Name ONE "friend" of mine who steals. I'm waiting........

Not that I will believe you as you've already lied in this thread at least once.