Vipers are alright but I don't know if I could spend all that money on something made to go pretty much in a straight line

awemsomeeeeeee

We don't own a Viper (I wish!) but we do have a 2005 Dodge Ram SRT-10 that we are using as a daily driver now and it had been beyond reliable. And strong as hell.

It is reliable, loads of power, but hella bad on gas. Either way, it is a lot of fun to drive and never any problems with it. :upsidedow

Didn't Lensman buy one a few years back?

I own a newer one. I'd highly suggest spending the $110k on a new one over getting a used one. They're built like absolute crap, but they've been GOLDEN about honoring the warranty.

Here's pics of my personal Viper:

http://edgeprod.com/dom/toys/viper1-sized.jpg

http://edgeprod.com/dom/toys/viper-front.jpg

http://edgeprod.com/dom/toys/viper-side.jpg

First pic is in the driveway at my old house, before I had it washed for the first time. Second and third pic is after a bath and before any mods.

I'd sell you mine, if you're interested -- I want to get a black one instead.

edit: ^^^ This guy bought it for his wife. That's the only explanation.

Don't go near first gen vipers. They have bondo'd hoods from the factory :1orglaugh:1orglaugh Also, if you need parts, they are astronomically expensive. They also have inconsistent gaps between panels and are just generally the shitty 1980's daewoo of the viper.

The new vipers aren't really vipers. At least not in spirit. As the first few gens looked like a viper. The new ones don't conjure images of a snake at all. They just look like a sleek (albeit really heavy) sports car.

Don't expect much soundwise from their v10's. A v10 can sound absolutely incredible, just not the truck engines that powered the vipers. Basically, they sound terrible and don't make you think of a sports car when you hear one. They do make lots of torque, though. They will also rape your wallet if you enjoy them the way they were built to be enjoyed, because they will eat rear tires all day long. And their rear tires are HUGE.

Ignore the new ones, try to find one from like 1999 or 2000. New ones are for people who don't understand what the viper was all about. They got rid of the rawness of the sports car experience and replaced it with something your wife can drive. Interestingly enough, I've only ever seen women driving the new ones.

I think you might be confused. Vipers handle pretty nicely. Over 1g on skidpad.

I remember when they first came out. A friend of mine had a gig driving cars to their new owners. He lived in a not so good part of town, and you entered his house from an alley.

I will never forget pulling into that alley and seeing two of them sitting outside his garage. Each car was worth as much as any two of the duplexes around there.

Very cool looking car. The shape is smooth and the colors are bright and exciting.

heres mine :pimp:pimp:pimp:pimp:pimp:pimp:pimp

99 Gts, Supercharger installed by Undergroundracing.com (which holds the world record for the fastest standing mile, in texas) Currently has 755hp and 875tq. 3 tunes for 116, 93 and E-85. On E-85 it gets 22mpg. Has 9k miles. If anyone is interested it IS FOR SALE.(for the right price) just saying.:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._5002264_n.jpg

@ Penisface, yes you have some good points but you have some more 'opinionated' points.

btw, these tires are 355's, YIKES!

50 viper owners :thumbsup

HAHAHA ... I actually did! Too hilarious. Christmas present, actually. When I hit the gas and it snapped 0-60 off in 3.5 seconds and put the old crappy Vipers to shame ... I got off my high horse about the "new" Vipers losing the "spirit" ... same reason I'd drive a 2010 GT500 over the 1960's Mustang. Just my :2 cents: I guess ...

Post pics of your older model Viper ... would love to see if you have any mods under the hood to make it less slothly.

I had a 2001 and it was an absolute beast. I put less than 1200 miles on it in 5 years, but it really looked good in my garage. Not built for comfort, but if you are a weekend racer it's the tops!

:1orglaugh Thanks, owned a few:winkwink::thumbsup

Care to share some pics of your friends you once had? :1orglaugh

what years?

That one was 400 or so HP, right? You should try the newer ones .. they're an 8.4L with 600 hp ... it's a HECK of a ride. I took mine out yesterday on the highway and had some fun.

too bad its not 600hp to the wheels, more like 515rwhp, even still 500+ is like you said, a blast to ride!

I drove one once for about 2 hours a long time ago and decided I didn't like these cars. It was too small for my 6'3" body so I felt a little cramped. Visibility was ok with the top down but strange with the top up. It had alot of power but bad traction control. The back end bounced alot when going over bumps and if you happen to step on the gas during one of those bumps, it became scary. It also had some rattles here and there. On the plus side, it's a sexy car to look at and I loved the styling both inside and out at the time. I'm sure the newer ones have all of most of these kinks worked out though and have heard from 2 friend/owners that they kick ass.

I drive a skyline, I have no desire to drive something with a huge engine engine that makes like 70hp per liter. I think I'm making something like 200hp per liter right now :D Also I can spin to 8300rpm, the viper is to lazy for my tastes. I wasn't refering to the spirit, however. I was refering to how the new viper doesn't make you think "that car looks like a snake... like a viper!". It's a viper that looks like a fast sports car, not a snake. The older ones however, when I see one of those puppies, I immediately think "that car looks like a venemous snake".

I wish they put the update engine in, but kept the original body style.

mustang4life bro rock on

I kinda prefer this:

http://www.mercedes-amg.com/images/s...3_1024x768.jpg

More expensive, but at least its a quality built product inside and out, and it handles very very well. Including in corners ;)

If you plan to spend above 100k on a car, save some more money and get something real...

Yes, the newer have all the "kinks" fixed. Unfortunately, the looks of the newer ones are not the same, shitty imho.

So, for a 1stGen or 2ndGen itll take some money to get the kinks out...

Now do you drive a skyline or the new gtr? The gentlemen who sold me my viper, owns a ford gt40, the viper I have, 2010 camaro, mini cooper... he says the gtr are by far the most bang for the buck. Hp, handling and all. Understand this is coming from only one guy/one opinion, yet hes also built cars for earnhardt jr and tony stewart so I would take his word lol.

With that said, if you guys/gals have a car in mind and want it 'built' let me know and I can forward you his information.

So true!

Um duh, the first Gen rt10s was a race car on the street.

This isn't pointed at anyone specifically here, but most of the "hate" I get about my Viper is NOT from fellow Viper owners, but from losers driving shit cars who couldn't afford a Viper if they cut the price in half.

But you have the balls to brag about it on an internet forum, youre great. :thumbsup

I was looking into them a year ago considering getting rid of my camaro and buying one of these to leave stock...

But then several thousand dollars later my car makes as much to the wheels as a Viper, gets slightly better MPG, has loads more room and is less likely to get keyed.

It's still and ugly, beat up, pile of shit rattle trap and I still want a Viper but for now it's the same power for WAY less money and still doesn't do shit for cornering just like a Viper so I'm happy with it.

An example would be this fine fellow, who also lacks the ability to read the thread title, which solicited opinions.

Let's end this bullshit. I'm not calling you an idiot, but I'd like to explore the facts. A lot of non-Viper owners are talking shit about its ability to corner, so let's compare.

Viper skidpad average acceleration: 1.06 g (10.4 m/s²)

2010 Camaro SS is apparently 0.90g. What other cars are people comparing the Viper to on the skidpad?

Mine has NEVER broken loose unless I wanted it to, and even without traction control, ABS, or any of that other pussy shit, I find it a pleasure to drive hard into the corners.

Seriously, let's talk hard numbers, so we can end this "the Viper can't corner" ridiculousness spouted by people who have probably never even driven one.

Again, not directed at you, Jon, you were just the latest to say it.

in all seriousness you'll get a better ride with a newer z06 and just as much power 'as you can use' in an everyday situation. put a supercharger on a z06 and you'll be putting 650-700hp to the ground easy... reliably as well... that should keep ya pretty busy :)

It's interesting to compare the Z06 and the Viper. I love eating Z06's up on the road, but Edmunds is an independent source to confirm it.

From Edmunds, comparing the Z06 to the Viper:

Here are the key points for the TL;DR crowd:

Article here: http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=122700

Get em EdgeProd! You are absolutely right. Most of these guys relay the "hearsay" about hp, cornering, etc etc. I doubt half of them have ever driven a viper to know about the drive of the vehicle.

All late model American cars suck dick!

LOL I'm just giving the Viper crowd a little shit. They can corner but your average driver will be doing donuts all the way around the track because it makes more torque than most people can handle properly.

Hell, my car BEFORE the new motor put down 446/509 to the wheels on a dyno, the motor baseline with the LS2 was 414/386 so assuming the kit didn't mysteriously stop working right the car should make roughly 560/600 to the wheels through a loose converter on 19's. That's in Lambo territory and yet just about any car with a mediocre driver can get around a track faster than me because it's not set up to do anything but go fast in a straight line and stop about twice before I have to let the brakes cool down for an hour. And I've even got upgraded brakes LOL.

I have yet to drive a 2010 SS but frankly I'm unimpressed and don't care to. I'll stick with my 8 year old car with fresh running gear that will walk most exotic cars all over a (straight) track. When I get bored with this set-up in 6-9 months from now I'll be doing a full suspension swap, putting a 6spd in it and doing the heads and intake, possibly putting a couple of small turbos on it.

Fact of the matter is that the Vipers perform EXTREMELY well stock. They go fast in a straight line AND they corner well - but you have to know what you're doing and really respect the fact that you're driving a car that makes over 500lb/ft of torque from an 8L+ motor.

Put it in the hands of a skilled drive and you have yourself one helluva car.

But you put it in the hands of the other 99% of the world and you've got a huge powerful car that drives like it's on a frozen lake.

I can dig the response lol. Say, you got any pics?!:thumbsup

Of my shitbox?

current
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...SS2010036c.jpg

few months ago with the drag set-up
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...rostars027.jpg

cam-only dyno print-out
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...amonlydyno.jpg

little twisty fun
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7.../cruise1-1.jpg

a little extra horsepower to merge onto the freeway
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...Nitrous005.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...us011Large.jpg

nice, way to NOT hide the bottle haha jp jp....

My friends viper rt-10, has his hidden in a cubby hole and a velcro hardened curton over it. (really nice and slick install) THEN he has a "dummy" braided hose in the trunk very visible incase the cops look and see, clearly theres no nos bottle hooked and ready lmao.

Car looks clean bro!

LOL it's easy. I don't want to put a remote bottle opener in the car because it's too much fucking wiring for me, then it would end up being a bottle heater, a remote pressure gauge, and a lot MORE wiring but you can put them in the spare tire well.

I MIGHT do that if I keep the unit in the car, but when I'm not using it, it's easy enough to throw the back seat back in the car and have 4 seats in it again. Plus with the bottle where it's at I can reach back and crack the bottle open when needed - which honestly isn't often. 19's aren't the best for traction and even on the 325/50/15 BFG Drag Radials it still blew the tires off unless they had a lot of heat in them so for the most part I drive it like a granny.

Cops don't give a shit about nitrous around here as long as you aren't in the middle of using it. :)

The car is super quiet now too :) I don't know when the last time I posted the video but this was before the exhaust was modded again to quiet it down so you could talk in the car.

Haha, I hear ya. Like any tool, though, it's more useful in the hands of a skilled user. Of all of the Vipers I've owned, I'm most impressed with the 8.4L engine, making 600hp out of the box. It's unbelievable how well it performs when you learn that driving isn't about stomping the gas and hoping for the best.

Great looking F-body. I've had two Firebirds and two Camaros, and I loved every second of making them into stage-2 and stage-3 cars. Here's two of my F-Body babies, on either side of my Porsche (don't ask -- mistake to have bought, LOL).

http://www.edgeprod.com/dom/toys.jpg

Camaro is an SS, and the Firebird is a Trans Am convertible. I've also owned the WS6 Firebird (sold now), and the LS1 SS Camaro (also sold). I go through muscle cars very rapidly ... buy 'em, build 'em up, get bored and sell 'em.

My wife is driving a Denali now, so I am using the Viper as a daily driver so I don't put miles on any of our nice cars.

edgeprod send me an email of your email lol. seriously, I have a few questions for ya. :):)

my email is Tilimakeabillion [at] hotmail

Thanks in advance.