That's fucked up. Only idiots will promote them.

Take a chillpill and harden the fuck up a little. Im basing ALL my knowledge of you on how you present your "board persona". Isnt that what you and others are doing about me all the time?

If your 100% faulproof, why dont you show us some of your sites, lets see what comes up. But i guess you wont because of .... ?

For someone running a program for 4-5years you make some weird statements.

You "dont care about making "unknown" people money" ? Well i do. If my affiliates are happy they will keep promoting my programs. If i make them "happy" the return the favor by sending traffic. They get sales, they get happy, and I get happy because they are making me money too. Must be me, but i really thought thats what being a sponsor was all about. Guess we dont agree on that then. Or did i misread that too?

The fact that im running a program for a couple months doesnt mean i dont know ANYthing about cb's, refunds, or whatever. You think its that complicated to learn? Its not actually, and im learning 18hrs a day.

Thanks, but again, i hope to be a better sponsor then ..

Harden up? If I called you something you'd defend yourself too. I don't know how my "board persona" relates to saying I'd do anything for money. If that were true wouldn't I have a sig with a refcode or something? I think screwing surfers only makes it worse for the rest of us. If you signed up for a free trial and got charged $120+ you wouldn't buy porn again.

As for your thread my very first post says "But isn't that just like all the other tube sites?". Did I say anything bad about you personally in that thread like you did to me? Nope. And I bumped it only after you just attacked me.

Im getting called stuff every week by people that have nothing better to do. 100% of them dont know me at all. At first i was trying to defend myself in every thread that had bullshit about me. But i learned that winning an argument with some idiots only costs me time. So im letting it be.

You have a company in your sig. Is it yours?

Relax again. We agree on the fact that screwing surfers is what kills this bussiness. As for my thread, you can keep bumping it together with teencat all day long. But THATS exactly how people will see other peoples board persona. If you hang out with the fakenicks, trolls, surfers and other useless trash on the board, you cant blame me for basing my judgement on that.

If i hurt your feelings, my bad but get over it. This is gfy. Welcome.

No offense, but isn't there a thread on the front page about you and the legitimacy content on your tube program? You have just avoided it and not responded.

I'd probably address that and lay off on trying to give others a lesson in ethics.

:2 cents:

What would I do? I would ask for a refund, simple as that. But first of all, I would be smart enough to un-check the xsales I don't want.

And I'm not Santa Claus, no, I just processed transactions for over $2mil before and did all customer support by myself, so I think I know something about sales, refunds, CBs.

I will be addressing that as soon as i know whats going on. I can reply with a nice story but i rather figure things out myself before blaming it on someone. Dont worry though, i will take responsibility. And im not giving lessons in ethics here. But one shouldnt be holier then the pope. No offense.

Dont get me wrong, if you are telling me you did $2million in transactions i will believe you. But from the answers you are giving, it didnt sound like that at all.

I think that's the case as well.

Best case scenario- a developer plugged a TOS in and it "slipped" someones mind to go back and replace it with their own. But that's probably not what went down since its been over 24 hrs since this shit started and GFProfits is STILL flying the plagerized TOS. They probably just swiped it and thought no one would ever catch on.

Its LAZY, its BAD BUSINESS, and its THEFT.

They are obviously aware that this is being looked at as they reworded the section that got this thread started.

They changed #5 to say:

Which essentially says and does the exact same thing as before, just excludes the names of the third party billers you will not be getting commission on.

And still the rest of their TOS, for the most part, remains stolen content.

When item #2 for both programs read:

... how did they think this would go unnoticed? Its word for word the same across both sites. :disgust

I didn't doubt you'd address it for a second. I just thought that it was funny you were in here partaking in this "drama" when you've got a little bit of your own and weren't in there taking care of your own business first.

The last person you'll get a "holier than thou" attitude from is me. My shit stinks and I am fully aware of it. :winkwink:

No worries. The thing is, to figure out what has happend with that issue in the other thread im depending on some other people to be online. I left them a message but they didnt respond yet. Theres a bit more to it then me just saying "its a rogue <whoever>" thing. I temporarily removed ALL adzones from the website untill i know whats going on and how to fix it. I want to make sure i have the best and honest answer i can give. Besides that, most people in that thread are trolls (NOT ALL) that have nothing lost in this biz but trolling and trashing. So im gonna answer mutt, not the other dumbwits there.

In the meantime, im doing my regular things. Like posting here :)

Again no offense taken, and i hope i didnt offend you with my reply.

Take it from me ... if they ask you for a refund then "YOU" are the pope who gives thumbs-up or thumbs-down.

When they just do a chargeback then you have nothing to say ... they just take the money back from you. PERIOD

Most people don't ask for a refund, most people don't even know where to do that because of all the cross sales ... On their visa statement they see
blal19ala19lain.inc - $39.99 / bjdsqhjdhjkdh.inc $39.99 / whatever.inc - $39.99

Do ya realy think they're going to investigate it? Be real man, they just ask their bank to recover the cash because they have no idea where it's comming from. And believe me the bank "WONT "ASK" YOU FOR A REFUND".

If you realy think that CB's (charge backs) are per sé fraud .. then ya are the most stupid sponsor/webmaster that I've spoke to in the past 12 years.

How many transactions did you do so far? Over $2mil? And you still believe all that shit?

Kk dream on dude ... :1orglaugh


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Dreamteam what are your paysites and how long have you been running them?

good thing I've never promoted them. It's another example showing why you should always read the fine print...

Just touch a little but on the CB / Refund issue you can't assume everyone who is refunded is a dissatisfied customer and everyone who charges back is fraud.

In my experience people really do call first to see what the charge is before processing a CB. If someone calls in and it's a clear cut fraud case then they are instantly issued a refund. You would be a fool not to. So that's one case where a refund can be CC fraud.

One thing I love about Discover is that they send retreval requests, it;s like a friendly heads up letter that says something to the effect of- "Hey merchant, so and so is saying they didn't make the charges from card number and want to process a chargeback."

From there you can pull up the account and act accordingly. If it looks like fraud, naturally you are going to refund it. There's another way a refund is also CC fraud. Alot of people automatically refund all retreval requests and I can totally understand that. Card companies and merchant banks do not fuck around, as online merchants- especially in adult you have to keep a narrow thin margin.

Also with chargebacks alot of it is friendly fraud. Wife wants to know what the charge is for or they forgot to cancel and they could really use that money so they try to charge back their whole membership. This has nothing to do with the quality of the site or the service.

I've always worked in the dating industry, so I'm in a slightly different position than most of you guys reading this. My advantage is not only do I have an email and an IP, but I have a location, physical description, personal details and in alot of cases I have photos and phone numbers. When a customer throws some friendly fraud at me you can bet your monkey ass I fight it.

looks like they change it, and it was wrong write :D

Sweet - Two companies whom I will never touch.

And Ryan, you're so full of shit it isn't funny. How many affiliates have bitched now that they haven't been paid by you and now this? :1orglaugh