It amuses me no end you do not think 10 years ago is a long time in terms of the internet. That's sweet.

It amuses me no end that you know so little about the market you work in. Try marketing a product you understand.

The figures I posted were true until a few years ago. But that was when the decline set in, when sites thought all they needed to do was fill their site with content shot on the cheap. Sites producing a quality product are keeping members a lot better than sites churning out content that is not quality.

Yes you still have to protect it from the pirates, but you have something worth protecting.

The author of the articles offered a solution and I see no one here offering a solution that will work. Lots of crying about what we already know and some self promoting but no solutions.

The Adult Net went largely exclusive and it was not the solution, sales still fell.

The future for the industry is not to all go niche, it works for Mom & Pop sites and not for the big sites.

A lot of customers have rejected what we are selling.

So what's the answer?

Yeah, I haven't got a clue. That is why I was asked to contribute to the GFY educational series and you spam rehashed cut and paste out of date waffle here.

I don't give two hoots about the figures Paul. I was laughing at you suggesting 10 years ago 'online' isn't a long time. It is Paul. Very long.

You can't protect anything from filesharers, Paul. Haven't you realised that yet? Stop wasting your time with that pointless persuit and start another thread spamming your pictures pretending you need 1000 for glasses. That was a winner.

i second that

I do not think anyone has a definitive answer.
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Additional remarks from O.P.

What solution did he propose? I guess I missed that.

Ok here's an anology. All these porn companaies are like blackmsiths 100 years ago. They did fine for along time when everyone used horses to get around, but then 100 years ago people started buying cars. Instead of accepting that and perhaps start selling tires the industry is acting like blacksmiths who try to get people to stop buying cars and go back to horses. Well that wasn't going to happen. And stopping tubes and torrents and free porn in general isn't going to happen either. If it was that easy it would have been done years ago. Now you can be a balcksmith that tries to still sell horseshoes and eventually go out of business or you can start selling tires.

The porn industy is just like the music and mainstream movie/TV industry and has it head in the sand and refuses to adapt because that means accepting the fact your product isn't worth as much as it used to be. For example eventually the music industry will have to realize that the money in music isn't from selling songs or albums. The songs will be used to promote the concert tour of the artist and thus be given out for free. I will be shocked if in 20 years music is actually still being sold.

Let me ask you this question: do you still surf the web the same way you did 5 years ago?

What sites do you still visit? And why?

That's all the answer you need in my humble opinion.

Well said. :thumbsup

Exactly.

People can blame all these other things, and they do play a role to be sure. But there simply are more things online now trying to get surfer's limited amount of online time. Porn is a second class citizen to social networks and other things now.

Add in cross sales, card banging, free porn glut, the credit crisis and that just turns up the volume on all of the other problems of the world.

Some tubes out there are trading traffic with TGPs.

He's still in business. People used him because he was the cheapest. They even knew he was going to fuck them and that was OK.

Porn is full of failures and desperate people. That's why scammers thrive here.

Agreed. We need to change but no one has a clue how to, except becoming Tube sites. There is a finite number of sites that will survive by giving it away for free. Lots of Tube sites are asking for hosted content. Without successful paysites where is that going to come from? Dating and Cam sites might not be able to afford everyone giving it away.

Songs have always been used to promote tours and tours to promote songs.

So we give away porn to promote a models tour of strip clubs. :Oh crap

We need to change but how is the problem.

this discussion, again?
spend less time talking about it.
spend more time making money.
there's your answer.

Tubes hurt absolutely ...

But the biggest problem I see is that most porn being sold sucks. Same old same old that we've all seen over and over again ...

I wouldn't pay for it so why would my surfers? There are only a few sites out there I'd gladly pay for and those are what I promote. They are creative and different without needing to be HQ.

My 2 cents

And that, for those who don't get it, is what the man is saying. It's not just about getting it in focus, lit and HD. It's about shooting content that hooks people into buying it. Saying even good porn gets stolen is no excuse for producing bad porn.

You're so myopic. Yes songs have been used to promote ours but also been sold themselves as a stand alone item. Those days will soon end. No one is going to be paying 99 cents a song in 10-20 years. They shouldn't be paying that now. Ever go into a business than they have pens there with their name on it? Do you PAY for those? No they just give them out. WHY would they give them out for free? Because it promotes their business. This is where music is heading.


The movie industry bitches about pirates when the solution is to release movies on all formats at the same time. Of course this is heresy to them and suggesting such a thing would get you called insane. Though they are slowly startng to sort of get it. At a glacier pace but I think they are. For example they now have movies on PPV via cable/satellite or internet( Itunes, Amazon, XBL etc ) the same day the blu-ray/DVD is released instead of making you wait 30 days.

If you can't figure out how to promote porn in this new age of internet with tubes, torrents etc etc then do something else. Pining about the "old days" is not going to help. They're gone they're not coming back.

Exactly how many ways can you show a slut getting fucked in the ass? Oh I got it! quadruple anal........with ninjas.......and pirates........and a unicorn in the background.....on Mars.

Well said. The technology is not going anywhere. Fighting it is futile as historically reinforced.

People either need to adapt or go super size some fries.

But what are you going to promote?

Dating sites, cam sites and gambling if they allow you. Will they be hosting the full scene movies that a few can afford. Without them the surfer will slowly migrate to those who have them.

Many will be left praying pornsites stick around.

Yes the technology isn't going anywhere. But I think more than you imagine will be asking "Do you want fries with that sir?" than you think.

I agree with the points made at the beginning of the thread.

Ialso don't think that one model will prevail. You can have a situation where a TV channel makes its money from cheap production and ads and another from subscription and high quality original production, HBO seem to be doing alright - look at the DVD sales of "The Wire".

I have used the tubes, but I find the material all the same, often very old and poor quality.

I have also joined a couple of pay sights, one a Czech site. I pay $30 and downloaded all their films. Value for money absolutely, if fact I have all 100 of their films on my computer and 5 months on still havn't watched all of them. Are we not giving away too much for the price? I notice that clip stores can sell one film for $10. I assume a lot of the problem is caused by old material that has earned its production costs being put online for extra income.

I assume that as income falls so will new production. New productions will then start to look better and the valur rise again.

At Cinema Erotique we have found that making less but better works for us.

We spend a lot of time chosing the right girls, after all we feel who wants a 1000 girls we really want the one hot one.

The other problem we feel is with the model of rebills, after all the punter gets 95% of the value the first month then is ripped off for the rest of the time. We try and have a model where we charge a lot lot less for the rebills to reflect value for money.

Also we hope to rotate our content so that over all each member will pay the same amount for each film he has access to.

We find the real problems we have is building traffic and net presence, in an industry that is very conservative as to how content should look.

I have no doubts many will be phased out.
:2 cents:

Good stuff.
:thumbsup

LOL ... That was hilarious ...

Ok, to give you an example of what I mean, there was a thread not long ago about a cam girl who was broadcasting from her car parked outside. She had a lot of attention because of it and probably made good coin. She was doing exactly the same thing performance-wise as every other cam girl out there except it was in a semi-public place which made it more erotic. No need for ninjas or HD ... just something a little different to turn up the heat.

If I was doing a solo girl site for another example, I'd try to incorporate her true personality into the scenes so that the sex looks (and is) more authentic. That itself would create a better connection between the girl and the surfers and set her apart from every other solo girl out there ... again with no need for HD or ninjas ....

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Interesting analogy.