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DateDoc 05-11-2010 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by JA$ON (Post 17128558)
Wanna know something funny. Now this may have changed since the bank shake up and the FDIC limits have been raised from 100k to I think 250K? Mabey its 200k. Anyway...if you look at the FDIC's fine print if the bank goes belly up, you are insured, but Under Federal law, the FDIC is required to restore funds ?as soon as possible.? :( Now this may have changed, but its scray how many people assume that if their bank went under that they'd get a big check right away and it would all be puppies and rainbows. I think there is enough to handle small banks going under...or one big bank at a time. But if there was a TRUE collapse of the entire system, nobody would be getting their money anytime soon

I dont think thats ever happened, but if lets say B of A, Wells and Chase all went under at the same time....you can bet they would exercise that option, as there is now way in hell the FDIC has enough cash on hand to cover those hundreds of billions in losses.

What is also bad is the 250k insured limit is temporary and goes back to 100k on Jan. 1, 2014.

Mutt 05-11-2010 09:19 AM

what is a legal way to use offshore corps to minimize taxes in your country of residence?

the hugest companies in the world do it, legally. how can a personaly corporation do the same thing?

plsureking 05-11-2010 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 17128755)
what is a legal way to use offshore corps to minimize taxes in your country of residence?

the hugest companies in the world do it, legally. how can a personaly corporation do the same thing?

offshore corporation - like in seychelles - and an offshore bank elsewhere non-taxable. ccbill wires to the bank and the sales are made by offshore company. no taxes because no customers reside in the domicile of the corporation and the corporation is not liable to any government.

only thing you'd be liable for is personal income tax on your company paycheck. the US govt still wants their cut even if u are outside the country working for an offshore company.

of course the company doesn't file anything to the US IRS, so it doesn't really need to be reported. they might just wonder why u keep getting money wired into your bank account.

large corporate execs will usually keep most of their income offshore or in stock and only bring in a small amount of living expense income. all their cars, planes, houses, meals, clothes, etc are business expenses. thats something i've been legally doing for years after getting it explained to me by my lawyer bro-in-law.

no lawyers in DC pay taxes :thumbsup

SmokeyTheBear 05-11-2010 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo (Post 17128347)
that list is about 5 or 6 years out of date, at least. Things have changed radically with those countries, and there are MUCH better tax havens now.
Moral of this story...

DO NOT RELY ON NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC FOR ASSET PROTECTION ADVICE!!!!!!!!
:2 cents:

according to national geographic the data is not that old, but i think you are missing the point a bit. Obviously the list wasn't intended to be a guideline to "asset protection/hiding"

I was actually just suprised usa was at the top. Remember the list is based on secrecy/volume, those arent factors you would combine to find a good tax haven. The list is more i think to show what countries help hide the most amount of cash.

SmokeyTheBear 05-11-2010 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by JA$ON (Post 17128661)
Its all fun talking about this on an adult board, but anyone who is seriously considering moving money around offshore and does so with the advice they get here vs. consulting a qualified accountant AND tax attorney probably shouldnt be in controll of finances at all. Theirs or anyone elses, lol.

Just to be clear the thread was not meant for such purpose and of course the list does not reflect the "best place to hide money" it merely shows volume/secrecy, these factors aren't ones you would using to decide where to hide money, secrecy yes, volume no.

Mutt 05-11-2010 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by plsureking (Post 17128786)
of course the company doesn't file anything to the US IRS, so it doesn't really need to be reported. they might just wonder why u keep getting money wired into your bank account.

yes, and when they wonder why i keep getting money wired into my account I better have an explanation and a legal one.

any money from an offshore corporation that you bring into the country you definitely are going to be held responsible for tax wise.

JA$ON 05-11-2010 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear (Post 17128831)
Just to be clear the thread was not meant for such purpose and of course the list does not reflect the "best place to hide money" it merely shows volume/secrecy, these factors aren't ones you would using to decide where to hide money, secrecy yes, volume no.

Understood :) As other people started to post, I just threw in my experience in the offshore matter in general since I know most people think it is some sort of cheap and easy way to not pay taxes. when in reality it can be quite expensive to set up properly. Also people seem to forget one thing...its EASY to set up a structure offshore and stick money in it....brining BACK the money so you can use it is the difficult and dangerous part if you plan on avoinding the tax on that as well . I posted Not so much as dircet reply to your specific wants or needs. Should have made that mor clear :thumbsup

plsureking 05-11-2010 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 17128832)
yes, and when they wonder why i keep getting money wired into my account I better have an explanation and a legal one.

any money from an offshore corporation that you bring into the country you definitely are going to be held responsible for tax wise.

the truly clean & legal way is to get an offshore account with a debit card. then u dont worry about paying yourself as a US citizen. just withdraw money at a local bank or atm like any foreign tourist.

Klen 05-11-2010 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberClaire (Post 17127926)
I would assume the USA has tens of thousands of bank accounts with multi-million dollar balances....I dont think they just go around freezing accounts unless they have good reason to see something that makes them feel the need to investigate.

Btw do foreign citizen can open bank account at all?I know you cant open it online,so i have partial usa bank account(i can receive ach and usa domestic wire but account is in other name).And i received once some weird letter about tax but didn't understood anything,i wonder will usa tax me anyway even if i am not us citizen.

marketsmart 05-11-2010 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberClaire (Post 17128468)
Mike....what would your top 5 be and why ?

he gets paid for that information.... :2 cents:

and is probably one of the most knowledgeable about it, period... :2 cents::2 cents:






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Barefootsies 05-11-2010 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear (Post 17127538)
Was reading this months national geographic and saw an article on tax havens, they listed the top 15 "most secretive tax havens" , based on volume and trasparency

#4 cayman island
#3 switzerland
#2 luxembourg
#1 ???????? enter a guess

Thank sire.
:winkwink:

Domain Diva 05-11-2010 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart (Post 17128866)
he gets paid for that information.... :2 cents:

and is probably one of the most knowledgeable about it, period... :2 cents::2 cents:
.

Thats why I asked ......cant see why it would be a secret.

The difficult part is setting it all up in the correct way to suit the individual.( in my view)

grumpy 05-11-2010 12:42 PM

Holland ;)

fatfoo 05-11-2010 12:53 PM

I saw some texts written about offshore tax havens, supposedly these operations would not be on an island or land, but offshore. I think it's possible that there are some territories of the ocean that do not belong to any country.

Also, theoretically International law stipulates that new uninhabited countries become the possessions of those who find them by right of discovery. So, if you find an island that has not been found before, you can start your own country there.

kektex 05-11-2010 02:27 PM

Ive been wondering about this for quite some time. I am looking to incorporate somewhere as I get more and more serious about my online ventures.
Right now, since I still run a regular business in my country (not US), most of my online income just goes to a bank in the US and is kept as savings for the future. But that income is quickly gaining on my regular income and Im looking for ways to get more "serious" about it.

As a non-US citizen, what would you recommend I do? What might be the best way to setup a proper company and in what country?

Im not looking necessarily for a way to avoid paying taxes,etc. I just want to setup a company in a country that is adult safe, and will not just place me under investigation and block my bank acct.
I've read about panama, belize,etc. but Im not 100% sure.

If anyone can share their experience or point me in the way of someone that is an expert in the field, that would be great.


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