i've said my issues with nats4 so many times that it just hurts repeating.
Granted i do most of my speaking with program owners...
John, i've even called you directly about a year ago trying to explain issues with nats4.

Bottom line, nearly impossible in my opinion to analyze stats and create campaigns.
No way to sort by date / by site / by campaign / by program
Creating campaigns is such a pain in the ass, that affiliates might as well give up on that idea...
Charts, Graphs are useless... i dont see a need for them.. cant take charts to the bank.

Nats3 skin in nats4 is a huge help, but its not as smooth.

bottom line on affiliates end, everything that made nats3 so useful, was thrown out the window in nats4.

I still do not understand what it is about NATS 4 exactly that people seem to dislike. It would be nice to get some serious feedback on that: particular features and items that people do not like.

As far as "learning" - I really don't see that big of a learning curve. It is just as easy and intuitive as NATS 3.

and what sucks even more is no other affiliate stats package is worth recommending.

Interesting...

Well, the campaign creation is sort of a pain, you have to go into My Account, then click on Manage Campaigns. However, a program can easily add a link on every promo tool page to create a campaign.

Also:
"No way to sort by date / by site / by campaign / by program"

You mean in Stats?

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh especially since they get the sign ups! Fuck those silly affiliates. They can go somewhere else if they don't like all the fuck ups! :1orglaugh

AND WILL! :thumbsup

You did not speak with me. You spoke with Fred.

1) It is easy to sort by date/site/campaign/program. Certainly not impossible as you say.
2) Creating campaigns is extremely easy. You simply go to my account and click campaigns. From there you can add them, and now with v4 you can also rename & remove them if you'd like unlike v3.
3) Charts & graphs aren't useless. Some people like them, some don't. It's a personal preference.

Your opinions are based solely on you not wanting to actually know how to do anything in v4, but rather insist on things not changing. Things change & move forward. They get better. Spend some time actually learning instead of just complaining and you'll find that.

If you have actual complaints & issues I want to hear them as I've told you in the past. If you just want to say "there is no way to sort by date, site, etc." over & over again it's a waste of time. We've gotten lots of feedback from lots of people and we've applied it. We've been doing that for years & years now.

Did anyone other than you ever say fuck those silly affiliates? I think not...



That's a rather clear statement... I guess never expected someone could misconstrue it, but this is GFY.

Sorry, dude. That's the attitude I've been catching lately.

Seriously though, you don't know how many sponsors I've stopped actively promoting cause of screw ups in up grades.

Yep, this is GFY. Everything you say is immediately assumed to have the most negative and insulting meaning possible (often even what is beyond possible).

John, hit me up when you have a sec... ICQ'd you...

Why type of issues?

I would think a new version would have some improvement, and bug fixes.

So if I'm to understand this correctly. Nothing is actually wrong with nats4? However, you don't like the way it operates, it doesn't bend to your ego desires, thus you slander it?

You nailed it! Now we just need to work on your political views and you'll be perfect! j/k :)

I have noticed in the last couple of days while trying to export csv files for galleries. I am used to Nats 3 and have no problem doing it. In the few Nats 4 programs I have tried it with. I have had no luck. It might just be a learning curve because it is new to me but changing from one version to the next. There does seem to be some pretty big changes that might give of the effect that it is not that good. It is possible that it is a lot better then the old version. Just have to learn it. In my opinion if you have a good product (Nats 3) and you want to add new features that is great. But there is no reason to change around a lot of the look and feel of the old one. It scares people.

Every time Facebook changes their site groups of 1000's of people appear who scream that they MUST have the old one back. They insist that the new one sucks and the old one was perfect. They threaten everything they can think of if they can't have their old Facebook back.

Then, when Facebook releases yet another update they do the same thing, but this time they MUST have the Facebook that they just went on a crusade against back since it was absolutely perfect.

If you're having issues getting the dumps feel free to contact me and I'll be more than happy to give you a hand with whatever you're having an issue with. Lots and lots of programs use NATS and they often differ in how they have it setup & configured. Some also don't do it as well as others.

In order to keep moving forward things have to change. Some changes are good, some are bad, but often times you won't know what's what until you try it and see. With the number of people using NATS there is no way we're going to please everyone. Some people want their gallery dumps this way, others want them that way, others want them yet another way. If we built it to be one way you'd have a group of people unhappy (and being louder about it than those who are happy) no matter what. Therefore we made it very configurable. This may take an extra click or two and a few extra seconds here & there, but you can get the data YOU want how YOU want it. And you can also set those as your defaults so that when you come back it remains that way.

We're never going to please all of the people all of the time, but I think we've done a pretty good job of pleasing most of the people most of the time. I think the fact that argument is NATS4 vs. NATS3 rather than NATS vs. XYZ Software is a testament to that. There's always room for improvement tho.

nats4 annoys me cause it takes so long to load the adtools. every affiliate using nats4 seem to have the same issue. sometimes I can count to 60 when I'm trying to get FHG.

There are some speed issues with ad tools in some cases depending on how things are configured, etc. There are a lot of speed improvements for this coming in the next build.

Weird.. I can do all of those things you just said I supposedly can't in Nats4.. and I just did it to make sure I was right. :error

I'll try an catch you on icq. You can email me directly at
admin AT webventuresmedia DOT com

AMEN

I signed up to about 3/4 nats programmes that use NATS4 now they aren't getting traffic because

THEY HAVE NO DUMPS AT ALL with NATS4

Stay nats3 and keep the traffic flowing..... I can send you videos john of some tools not loading within 5 minutes.

I did videos to prove to the owner i wasn't taking the piss when i said the tools don't load and what did load took forever.

Fuck your ego desires Doc.
I never said anything was wrong with nats4
i simply said its unusable and explained why.

Since you make your living working / programming with nats4, please show me instructions on how to use it.

I never slandered nats, i gave an honest unbiased opinion.

I promote BuiltToConvert, I just hope you STAY AWAY FROM NATS4. NATS4 Suckass.

Why upgrade when your site and cause more problems and headaches for yourself and some of us. You could loose webmaster who are anti-Nats4 if you change it. NATS4 just horrible.

I would appreciate that, albright/toomuchmedia/com

Tho the fact that you sell a competitive product casts a doubt over it all :)

Script5 is nothing like NATS

DOESN'T cascade billers
DOESN'T Provide traffic stats
DOESN'T PROVIDE Sales stats

We just show case affiliate tools thats it

BUT WE DO HAVE CSV dumps :thumbsup

Yes, but the target market is extremely similar so they are competing products :)

I'd very much like to see the videos you put together if you wouldn't mind sending them over. You can always hit me up on ICQ or email also if you need anything.

You have email :)