I saw that. But I'm not some wigger talking fool like that guy. heh-heh

Do I think that somebody with skills could go in and figure out some way to download it? Yes, of course. Do any available software programs in the world work on it right now? NO.

The key is to keep your content in your members area to the best of your ability. And I'll guarantee you that if you downloaded one of my vids in the members area it will take you some time. You won't be doing it by using a download software tool.

MPAA = Motion Picture Association of America
RIAA = Recording Industry Association of America

No you can't download it. You can screen record it. And guess what? You're IP and username appears on the vid every couple of minutes at random and in random places. I'll nail you. That's a deterrent.

Look man, instead of trying to be a negative person...just understand that I am NOT the kind of guy to just roll over and die. I don't want to be one of the cry babies on here who doesn't do anything. I did something. It has been working for me. What else do you want?

As opposed to everybody else doing nothing

Dude I don't have any fancy "technology"

We're talking about stopping somebody from downloading a streaming video on a porn site.

I can't stop people from ripping a DVD or a CD. WTF are you talking about?

To GideonGallery, this just in:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-31001_3-20005091-261.html

Pirate Bay just got took offline by Hollywood again.

I just joined your site. I both downloaded a full scene mp4, as you offer and got the flv from the stream from the temp folder.

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First of all. Let me refund your money. You didn't have to join. You could have just spoke to me in private. Second of all ICQ me and explain to me in PRIVATE what you did and how you did it so I can stop that.

And by the way...the full scene mp4 IS the downloadable version I offer in a smaller rez. And the stream in the members area is an mp4 as well. So if you got an flv...

Keeping stuff from being saved by an easily available tool that any 14 year old can put a link into and click save on is basically what you need to protect against. Most people won't or can't jump through hoops to get something.

I just went to rabbitsreviews though to see how much stuff you had so I could give a it would take x weeks to rip your site individually while going insane sort of prediction but the review is a bit out of date so I don't know how much there is.

How many times have you tried to 'nail' someone using this technology? I tried to see any court cases and cannot find any?

I'm being practical and positive. I always suggest alternate ideas. I persuade people to do something that may actually increase sales. It's just that posting tens of thousands of words as you do is such a waste of time. That's all. But it's none of my business really if you want to spend your time telling everyone to fight piracy. That is totally your call and I should shut up.

You do what you want. That's your perogative. I just think that anyone that tries to steal your content was never going to buy it. You think differently. Cool. You carry on trying to stop the unstoppable, and I will carry on doing things to try and generate new sales.

Have fun.

Damian

Damian, I do things that generate new sales. I don't just sit around all day with blinders on focused on piracy. lol

As I said in the beginning. I'm not going to try and convince you. You have already made up your mind. I just want to let other people who actually own paysites know that you CAN put a cap on this. You are not helpless and you CAN turn things around and make great sales again.
Supply and demand

Damian, please check your icq.

Fiddy one solutions? lol

By the way...the people taking content are already taking it from the members area. So they already paid. My beef is with the torrents and illegit tubes that post it for free to draw massive traffic to monetize it. THEY are the thieves.
I am merely trying to keep my stuff off of their sites.

EDIT: And please answer your icq. I'm trying to set you up with a user/pass I already refunded your money so I don't want to use that user/pass for you

Well then, if it's not a technology thing - because, honestly, I agree with DamianJ that if what you are doing inside CM's mem area is tech-based then that's a sellable product that could change the face of Adult overnight.

But if what you're saying - without really saying it - is that you're using a 'Macgiver-like' low-tech solution that consists of clever editing and watermarking then that's great! That means the cleverer ones on here can 'figure it out' and try this or that....how about a giant blue bunny that flashes onscreen for a second or two every fifteen seconds? Oh wait, that would ruin the fantasy. LOL

So what I'm saying is if it's not some special script you yourself have (and no one else does, and you're not about to share/sell) then why not just use a Flash player, watermark the fuck out of the clips, insert an IP addy or username every minute or so and be done with it?

I feel like jilted lover. Damian....ANSWER YOUR ICQ

I have to jump in the shower and head to the gym. I refunded your money and I want to make you a new user/pass for free. I also want you to show me how you were able to download that stream so I can figure out how to stop that method to if possible.

No it wouldn't. I have spoken to many paysite owners who are living off of old rebills. They are all worried that putting in streaming might piss off their current customers and with new sales so slow they can't afford to do that.

I had the same trepidation when I first did it. It was scary. So no, the majority of sites and especially the bigger ones with a big member base of rebills aren't gonna take a chance of losing anybody.

I've cum already :1orglaugh

Can you watermark the flv if it is just downloaded without going through the player though?

Ok, Damian.

I just figured out what you THOUGHT you did.

We had an old movie as an flv in a temp folder that we were working on a player a long time ago. You didn't download the movie that was actually streaming. Matter of fact I just deleted that old temp folder because I had forgotten it was even there.

So you didn't really download the stream. Not that I want you to, and I'm not "challenging" anybody either. I'm sure there are folks on here plenty smart enough to do so. But I'd like to keep it from happening on a massive scale

And by the way...you downloaded a trailer. Which is what we had in that temp folder. Check it for yourself.

Well, since I do things the way i know how to do them - in other words, probably the wrong way - I watermark the vids before I convert them to Flash. Check out PeabodyCash and see the Fellucia Blow or MILF Mia clips I have on there. All FLVs (hosted) and all watermarked.

And Robbie, two things:

1. As trepidacious as I am you've convinced me to go for it anyway. Rebills are 'steady' - not down or up - and I've just started A/B testing this week. So I can always A/B test the new streaming mem area, send out an email before I make the switch asking members their thoughts, insert a poll on the site for mems to vote, etc. OR I could do nothing and continue to bitch and moan like many others do.
2. At the gym, breathe. Always b-r-e-a-t-h-e. :)

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I was thinking about the IP address and username marking. Always like to learn stuff :)

Fiddy one Robbie business threads.

Ahhh! Yes, I like learning things, too, like how to properly read a question. :)

I don't rightly no, that's the short answer, but I am thinking either a PHP solution (somehow) or a watermarking tool integrated into the stream/Flash player (and it's prolly not 'Flash', either). Guesses, tho.

You should stick to magic imo... No offense but you are fairly clueless on this particular subject by your posts.

I get so tired of the "parrots" repeating what they heard on some pirate site. The reason you don't know how Robbie, and I and a few others are stopping piracy is for a reason. We all keep it hush. I've been doing the same thing Robbie is doing for over 2 years now... infact I am the one that came up with the idea and concept. Infact I have numerous other methods that deter piracy without affecting your actual paying consumers experience. Stuff I haven't shared with Robbie yet either. Most of which are techniques to be used, and not tech that needs to be implemented.

Sticky, was it your code I seen on another other forum that was inserting the ummm let's just say 'digital fingerprints' on the fly? Can I ask if you guys went further with it as it was pretty impressive stuff even in those early stages of development from what I remember of it. I understand if you don't want to talk much about it, just thought it was pretty badass :)

Yeah it's a shame some of the really good posts get lost, might be actually worthy to check new threads by poster involved instead of the thread name

Few bring a thought and even less bring experience into their posts

No that is QuantumX I believe and it is another method. People get their heads stuck in the "box" too much.. Too many see it as black and white, there are many gray areas.

could i get a temp pass to poke around for a second? :)

I just have my doubts as to how effective this can really be. even with a streaming server, it's still fairly easy to rip a stream.

actually watermarking the video would require encoding the video in real time, which is far too computationally expensive, unless you were doing something similar to that whole "smooth streaming" concept and chopping the vid into chunks and watermarkin only random small portions.

i think its a great idea though even if not a 100% fullproof solution.

Lol. I am in England. I went out for the night salsa dancing. :)

As now you know as we are chatting on icq.

Hi, I can cure cancer. I am just not telling anyone. You know, you don't want EVERYONE finding out I can cure cancer. Cos then everyone would want to be cured and that would be such an effort.

:)

Only cure those who promise not to start Tubes. :D

Please show me a site you have a video where you think I cannot record it on my screen.

No offense, but if you really think you can serve a video locally on my mac and stop me recording it, the you are fairly clueless on this particular subject.

NOW we are onto something.

That would piss me off no end as a punter.

"Hi we think you might upload this so we are literally BRANDING you like a common thief".

Imagine if mainstream tried that with Avatar!

Also, it's a piece of piss to strip out. People are now managing to strip our bugs from TV show logos so obfuscating an ip and user name would be a piece of piss. Or just editing it out. If they really want the content, they would view this cat and mouse as a game. And guess what, the content owners will always, always lose.

Piracy is bad. Treating your legitimate customers as potential thieves from the gate is bad too.

This is a major, major fear right here - and one that I assume Robbie faced when he was feeling trepidation at first even attempting streaming (not to speak for you Robbie, sir - or is that Sir Robbie?).

I worry about that - treating my members as thieves - but since I know SOME of them ARE thieves (cause it's the unwatermarked vids I see out there; the watermarked ones I view as advertising) so it kinda has to be done. There are locks on doors for the 15% (my estimate) of actual thieves out there who would try to break in, not the 85% of 'good citizens' who would never think of even testing to see if the door was unlocked in the first place. Just sayin'. :)

I don't treat our members as potential thieves. They aren't. They are CM's fans.

But the whole surfer forum mentality of sites like pornbb tricks them into being pawns. They are shown an illusion of a forum where buddies are encouraged to share their collection of porn vids amongst each other.

Of course they don't know that the truth is that the owner of that site is using them to generate traffic for his pre-paid ad spots.

And I do my part to educate my members. I talk to them all the time as I personally do the support for CM's site. And when they have asked me about such things I explain to them the entire business model of a site like pornbb and of course the file sharing sites, torrents, and illegit tubes.

And they are always shocked. And our members send me links to CM's stuff whenever they see it out there on those kinds of sites. Our members do NOT feel like thieves. They feel like they are part of a community.

Who do you think helped Robbie initially get on the right track? lol And its already been tried to get my videos on my paysites I have this protection enabled on. No standard methods work, and YOU do not understand how RTMPE works at all, it is not the same as a standard flash stream. So right off the bat I know that YOU do not know what you are speaking of.

Incase you missed the last 2 or 3 years I have been preaching content protection and was initially laughed at... then less laughed... then big programs started hitting me up about how they can protect their product.... then only a few clueless people still keep parroting the same crap. ANYTHING that ANYONE wants they can get if they want it bad enough. IT comes down to this... Is the juice worth the squeeze? I've already had my doubters, and proved them wrong, so for me to waste anytime showing someone that uses a MAC anything is worthless... lol.. Steve Jobs is going to turn off porn on macs anyways, so you better go buy a nice properly priced PC before its too late.. :winkwink:

You are about a year or two behind on this whole topic... Catch up with the rest of us, and we'll talk more. :1orglaugh

I hear and appreciate what you are saying and didn't mean to imply that I view my Members as thieves. LOL What I mean is that some members - at least some - have scraped the content and put it 'out there' on torrent sites and such. It's the only way UN-watermarked videos can appear anywhere outside the member's area (since I don't post non-watermarked vids anywhere).

So what I'm saying is I don't want the members who aren't doing this - the 98.7% or something - I don't want them to FEEL like I'm treating them as thieves. LOL if that males sense. "Hey, I used to be able to download the vids, now..." And yes, I plan on giving them a downloadable (highly watermarked and lower quality) version, too.

Just saying it's a concern for some paysites, I would imagine, pissing off their members while trying to protect their shit.

It's all in the presentation of what you're doing. I don't have a big announcement on the site saying "I'm taking preventative measures to keep my stuff from being stolen"

You know what I mean. When I go to my favorite music store to look at new guitars and amplifiers, the staff is super friendly and I enjoy my experience there. Nobody accuses me of possibly wanting to steal anything. And yet, if I go back there at midnight...they have the place locked with an alarm system. I don't get offended by that.

And I don't take it to mean that they consider me a thief.

Most people on the internet these days are well aware of content theft. I'm sure that 99% of my members are smart enough to know what's going on in the world. And since not ONE of them has written me complaining, I'm gonna have to go with actual real world experience over what some people might theorize to you what MIGHT happen.

Reality is I do all the support for CM's site. Hell, I do EVERYTHING. lol And the only emails I get from our members are requests and ideas for scenes. They are FANS. And when they find one of her scenes out there they report it to me. They are anti-thieves if anything. Once you open their eyes to what's happening, they not only don't feel like I'm insinuating that they would steal...they also help me in stopping our stuff from being out there. :)