That is for sure.

thepiratebay still down :1orglaugh

The fact that CM members are fans first is what convinces me to try this with Fellucia Blow, since she has a very loyal fan base that rebills great. I, too, do everything. LOL So i read the emails, and the requests. I think you're right, about fans not being offended, and I think it's probably easier to 'make the switch' with sites like CM or FB because their members ARE 'fans' as opposed to guys who just want to beat it. I would think mega-sites or multi-girl sites would face angrier members maybe.

:thumbsup Thumbs up for Robbie's solution. It is all about keeping your content exclusive!

That is my feeling too. When you have a website full of the same LA models that every other site has and no interaction...it's a different beast than what we have going on. Matter of fact I'm not sure what the answer is for those kind of mega-sites. I know I wouldn't want to own one of them at this point. I'm guessing that the only thing that's going to save them now that x-sells aren't gonna be as profitable as before, will be when the new international treaty is signed by all the countries and puts an end to this stealing.

I performed a search for content with Claudia Marie.
As benchmark I used Samantha 38G. She is a curvy blonde milf with a solo site as well, and roughly equals CM in popularity.
Daily estimated google searches for Claudia Marie: 9,084
Daily estimated google searches for Samantha 38G (aka Samantha Anderson): 4,540+2,899

First I checked the Usenet:
Claudia Marie: One private show 99MB
Samantha 38G: 5000MB of HQ movies

Second I checked all the file storage services like rapidshare on filestube(dot)com
Claudia Marie: clicked through the first three pages of results, scenes from naughty America available, otherwise :”In response to a complaint we received under the US Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA), we have removed this result.”
Samantha 38G: 160 Results ~30GB of content

Third I checked the tubes at tube search engine tubegals(dot)com
Claudia Marie: three full scenes from Naughty America and Sensationalcash, otherwise promotional samples
Samantha 38G: 23 full scenes

At last I did a google search (first 40 results):
Claudia Marie: only promotional content and movies from Naughty America
Samantha 38G: links to spankwire, youporn, xvideos… with dozens of full scenes

To sum up you CAN protect your content if you put some effort into it.

If sponsors would finally pull their heads out of their asses we could at least DOUBLE our income WITHIN A MONTH.

Just imagine if sponsors would start cleaning up the serps (which takes little effort), we could easily triple our SE traffic income. Instead of full scenes from tubes, torrents, storage services… the surfer would get our blogs and sites…

"No Damian. I will not tell you a single site that has my awesome system on."

Fair enough mate.

Been thinking about this overnight and maybe instead of the 127.0.0.1 thief-username watermarking a more nicer way of doing it would be to drop the IP Address and have something like This video was produced especially for username by Claudia Marie xxx.

Although without having a look this might be what's already being done and i've got the wrong end of the stick.

Point is, if you do it 'nicely' or 'crudely' it still says to me that you are expecting your customers to be thieves. AND it is totally ineffective as it is either gonna be removed through editing as it's only up for a little while, or through the same technology as pirates use to obfuscate tv channel bugs. etc.

What if you bought a digital file of a TV show or film from iTunes and every x minutes it popped up saying DAMIAN BOUGHT THIS.

There would be outrage!

rtmpe streams can be ripped

No wais!

Keep up the good work Robbie!

:pimp

I suppose so. A bit like the only dvds with anti piracy shit at the start are the legitimate ones.

Indeed

http://www.techxav.com/wp-content/up...iratelegal.jpg

Nice to see this business thread still going and staying on topic.
:thumbsup

Damian I'm not sure what your argument is... What is wrong with a paysite owner taking basic protective measures which have boosted his income?

i love your analogies
your justifying
the equivelent to putting a power adapter on an guitars that makes it impossible to use unless you play your instrument in the store (for a fee of course)
or having an annoying voice recording that plays bought for robbie every 30 seconds that the instrument is played.

and comparing it to the reasonable action of putting a lock on the door.

I see no proof that any of the time Robbie, or anyone, spent removing/"protecting" content has boosted income. People that infringe copyright are not (imho) a lost sale.

One would think that people like RYC would have case studies etc? But none I can find.

The point, and I am sorry this wasn't made more clearly, is that you will never stop piracy so the time you waste trying could be spent actually doing something to increase sales.

I go into this in more detail http://www.adultmarketing.co.uk/2010...-about-piracy/

Again, apologies for not being clear.

If Robbie, or anyone else, wants to spend what is a limited resource (time) trying to stop something that can't be stopped, then cool. As a marketeer, I think that spending that time doing some marketing would be a better choice.

But everyone has the choice to do as they want.

Hope my position is clear now.

Damian, as you know we have no heat with each other. I consider us "internet friends" :)

But just as you have given your opinions on what I'm doing...I'd like to give you MY opinion. My opinion is that I have been very successful in this business. I have a ton of experience owning, running, building a few companies in adult that all became wildly successful while I watched thousands of competitors fail.

My experience and knowledge has led me to do each and every move that I make. And yes, when someone shows me something I hadn't thought of I am all ears. Matter of fact what you said about not realizing that you needed to scroll down for the movies yesterday put me in action. You are the only one who ever made that comment...but guess what? That's one too many, and I respect your opinion. So we stuck a link under the first 3 vids with an anchor to take you to the rest. Thank you for that observation.

As far as protecting my content...you're damn right I do everything possible. I watched my sales come back. I watched our rebills come back. All AFTER I put the clamp on piracy. THAT is the result of protecting your content. It can be done, and it does have direct positive results. I just want other paysite owners to know that you CAN stop the bleeding. None of us are powerless.

On a side note...drop me an ICQ. I'm still wanting to get with you and find out if you have been able to download the streaming video yet. I'm hoping you haven't. :)

i think what your doing is certainly working in the right direction and i think both your hearts are in the right place.

robbie: good luck "nailing" someone who put a video on bit-torrent that they stream ripped off your site that has an IP on it once in a while. i doubt any court in the world would let that stand. tooo many variables, remember in court, its not what you know its what you can prove. and thats not "proof" of anything.

Agreed.

I think Damian does a good job making some educated arguments as well. He posts on some other industry boards, and some of the discussions are always fairly thought provoking at times.

The vid has their username and IP showing at random. I have all their info in NATS. Name, home address, etc. I think that is enough to make a person think twice before doing a screen recording and uploading the vid to a pirate site.

I think the IP Address is more of a deterrent to your average clueless sharer than a see-you-in-court thing.

Shit didn't notice was another page now I sound like a drunk parrot :(

Absolutely. Plus the username and the knowledge that since you joined the site, I know who you are and where you live as part of what I can tell the authorities.

But those are the kinds of things that our members don't even think about.

The ONLY person who is going to be worried about that is the one in a thousand who might be looking to steal our content. They are the only ones who would be interested in doing a screen recording. I already give them a downloadable version of the scene for personal use.

The screen recording is never going to look as good as the download I already give them. So the only reason to screen record the stream would be to get a copy with bigger dimensions to put up on a pirate site. It's a definite deterrent to a thief.

But to our members? They don't even notice it. Why would they?

It's just like everything else in this world. When you go to Walmart, do you spend all your time staring at the security cams that are watching your every move? Or do you just shop for what you want? Well, the THIEVES are definitely watching those security cams and worried about them and trying to figure ways around. Normal people who are legitimately shopping don't even notice it.

It's all about intent in that regard.

Anyway, all I can tell you people is this...it works. I wouldn't do anything that would COST me money. Everything I do MAKES me money. If something doesn't work, I stop doing it. When something does work, I continue. Again, this ain't rocket science.

The law of supply and demand ALWAYS takes precedence. If people on GFY believe me, cool. If they don't, I don't care. I'll live my lifestyle and continue to move forward and make money and give CM's fans exactly what they want.

You were talking about RTMPE the whole time? Ahahaha.. :1orglaugh
Your videos can be screen-recorded like anything else. Next thing you tell me is that you can protect images from being downloaded locally... :1orglaugh

My biggest problem with piracy is that the torrent and tube sites rank higher in search engines than legitimate sites for the paysites name. The people who steal the movies would have never bought anyway, but now that you can search for a model's name and there are 5 full length tube sites or torrent sites in the top 10 search results, you are losing sales from potential buyers :2 cents: This is a shift that just happened in the last couple of years with the stolen content sites steamrolling the SERPS.

One could also argue that the border should be open as illegal immigration cannot be stopped. We should also tell all the police agencies, worldwide, to stop busting drug dealers because it cannot be stopped. :thumbsup