Same thing here. I have noticed that after the 15th, credit card companies don't exists ! This has been going on for months now.

I am 100% with you. We are slowing getting killed by our own people in our own indsutry.
How fucked up can this be ? How stupid can we be ? I am speechless.

3 years ago, you would have dropped a sponsor with a 1:1300 ratio.

What will it be in 5 years ?
Will you say that a 1:5000 sponsor is great ? Do you really think it will stop ?

When will 1:10 000 be the average ?

But hey no problems : Tube sites are still making money because some sponsors are offering flv AND some people are buying publicity from them :thumbsup

1:5229

All I can say is diversify!

Large segment of the population gets payed on the 15/16th of the month and 30th/31st of the month. As you can see, ratios are higher on the 1st/15th by your stats... but as the next week rolls by, ratios turn worse. The difference in this relative change has been increasing for quite some time.

Hmm lets take a break and look at my personal site stats...

Jan 2010 - 1:2617
Feb 2010 - 1:3168
March 2010 - 1:2785
April 2010 - 1:2241
May 2010 - 1:3060

Overall
2010 - 1:2715 (more then double from 09)
2009 - 1:1333
2008 - 1:830
2007 - 1:775


This is all SE traffic. May not be the best targeted but it is straight from SE's. I do not traffic trading. If I think back, 2007 and prior I was pushing T/MGPs, and switched over to SEO end of 07 and into 08.

Just need to be innovative and switch things up. Marketing, content, sites, promotions, everything. There are too many things to list that are causing the drop in sales and ratios. Just need to be different and think outside the box. When I get some free time, I'll be brainstorming and trying to come up with some ideas to improve my overall marketing in adult.


All in all, stop complaining and do something about it.

Conversions seem to be going down for everybody...

I wish all of you guys the best

I guess someone forgot to tell you: internet porn is free now.

if you dont know how to make money in porn, learn russian :2 cents:

if you're not satisfied with your current sponsor...give us a try.

We can't pretend to sell something that is available for free EVERYWHERE.

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My sales as an affiliate are so bad the last days that if they were to continue like this I would just have to close up shop...:/ strange as the month before it were not bad at all..around 1:2000 or so where I am usually at..now...1:15000 or so...really hope it changes soon and that this is not the summer slowdown.

Ok, so most of you are in porn but I for example run foot/nylon fetish related web sites (which used to be vely well converting) with very high quality photos and this content isn't available for free apart from some crappy poor quality amateur clips on youtube and I have the same situation. First I thought people lost interest in this niche so I opened a channel on youtube and posted a few 1min. long promo clips from my web sites. And guess what - If I had as many subscriptions to my pay sites as I have to this free channel I would be very rich today. Also I reduced prices of one of my pay sites to a minimum today and I'm waiting to see what's going to happen. Conclusions?


There's also one more thing I'd like to discuss here regarding free porn. Do you remember when Metallica took Napster to the court of law? They won this lawsuit and if other corporations and webmasters did the same thing with fucking tubes and other sites violating every existing audio/video copyright on this planet we wouldn't have these problems nowadays. And do you know who's going to be next? Movie corps because when Avatar was still in theaters I could watch it for free on the Net. So soon people won't be going to cinemas, they'll just be waiting for a movie to be available for FREE on the INTERNET.

Hey man, I think you can't do much when banks doesn't aproave transactions, huh.. How can you think out of the box? Suggest your surfers to mail you cash in little red envelopes every month?

The main problem is banks. They are not approving transactions these days so noway surfers can get in!! Sales can't go dead the next day. I believe ups and down are normal but dead sales for a whole week is strange and something weird is going on...

There are others of us that produce foot and nylon content. <although not that many on here... How would a fetish lose popularity? That is not the case. Things are just pretty thin everywhere. I do think that it is more economically driven than many people are giving it credit for..

Well indeed... there is something really strange going on.
Yesterday I was converting at 1:4223 ...
May average is today :1969

I have to drive a whole lot of traffic to make some money...

It also confirms that the situation keeps on going all week and that is really weird. I remember last year also a slowdown for 3 or 4 days but it turned back on after that. But right now it doesn't. I checked with my 2 main sponsors to see if they had more decline reasons from ccbill but they both told me that they had ZERO declines from ccbill this week. They also confirmed the slow down this week.

It looks like all the surfers are hypnotized to not sign up...

I had good hopes for this weekend but at this time I don't have much good hope anymore... At this present time 0 sales while on a normal Saturday I have already 4 or 5 at this time... This is NO good situation...

Regarding banks...I read a few threds on this forum about Ccbill not approving transactions. I'm with Verotel and they always accepted more sales than any other processor, especially Ccbill and the situation is still the same: NO SALES. I mean c'mon, there's something weird going on here...we're not talking about 50K deals here, it's just $20 or so per membership and I don't believe people can be that poor. There's recession, not poverty. People are still travelling, buying food, cars etc...

perhaps, i pulled this off of google.
http://www.retailerdaily.com/entry/4...survey-update/

CCBill transactions are down and denials are UP UP UP!
I believe it's the banks and/or Visa.
Strange times - hope we can all get through it.

There is some kind of general consense among surfers, that PORN IS FREE everywhere.. And it's the truth.

Surfers are taught to find any movie they want for free and they know how to find it.

An average surfers knows how to download via rapidshare or similar... It's no longer something that only PRO experienced porn surfers from year 1999 do...

The guys are extreme-board or pornbb are doing a shitload of money, with two main incomes, AWEMPIRE.... AND PAYPAL.... YES PAYPAL...

PAYPAL IS PROCESSING ADULT AND ILLEGAL SITES NOWADAYS... AND NOBODY CARES AND NOBODY COMPLAINS about it.

porn is fucking dead. move on.

I know CCBILL does send an email each time a transaction is denied.
My 2 main sponsors told me they have NOT received more denials than normal.
However, they conformed both a serious decrease of new sales this week.

Do you, as a program owner, see more denials than normal?
Do you see an increase of emails from CCBILL that transactions have been denied?


I still make good money, and as a matter of fact my income stays about the same as normal but I have to say that the last couple of months I have worked much harder than normal and I have doubled my traffic but I really expected to increase my income but in fact I stay where I was and since this week I am really having my doubts in this bizz (I am in it for 5 years now)...

Hey MP

just wondering do you have the same amount of join page hits and form submits on a daily basis? or about close to the same daily?

because to be unstable like you mention seems very odd to me

especially when you said 25+ tues and like 4 on wed and back to 18 the next day
that seems fucked up
are most of your sales type ins or from affiliates? whats the split typein/affiliates 60/40 75/25 ?

Well, the short answer is 'yes' I get emails, and I've noticed a shitload more than usual.
The "long" answer, tho, is more informative:
I use cascade billing, with CCBill first, then Epoch second (and soon to be Zambaio third). I've had some issues with the cascade system - bugs, mostly - and as I do a lot of switcheroo-ing I've been on top of CCBill like on a daily basis sometimes to make sure everything is working properly (including denial emails). (Sorry CCBill for being a pain but sometimes it has to be done.)

More on denials and sales patterns below:

First and foremost: 'fucked up'? You bet, which is why I'm paying attention to it so much. LOL

About denials: my sites do very, very consistent numbers. I tweak and tweak the Tours until I get as much juice out of the lemon, so to speak. So some sites do great, some so-so, etc. But at least they're STEADY. So as long as the sales and denials "add up" to my "normal"-ish conversion ratio, I'm more-or-less cool with it. It's understandable why sales are down if denials are up and the number of "join attempts" remains relatively equal. Whats frustrating is, since April, i send more traffic and sales remain steady, but denails are going up. So this tells me it's a credit thing, or a bank thing (almost same thing). Out of my control. It ALSO tells me the new landscape may be: work twice as hard to maintain your average sales. Now, if it gets to be work THREE times as hard to maintain, then FOUR times as hard to maintain, where's the breaking point? A differant answer for everyone, I suppose.

Join hits: On my tours I have two join pages under my control (before the surfer gets taken away to a cc processor's join form). Some tours only have 1. My 'flow' is fucking fantastic as a huge number of ppl who stay on my tours for more than 30 seconds tend to go all the way through to the 'final' join page.

So this traffic is as steady as ever. Now when it comes to the cc processor's Join forms it's a differant story. Wild swings, as stated above. On one of those 'dead days' I described (4 sales after a 25+ sales day) I've had as many as 800+ form hits to Fellucia Blow with only 4 sales. Number of denials: 33 LOL

Okay, that was a record day. LOL But still, wild ratios so it's either THEIR join form is loading slow as shit or the banks aren't letting orders through. Whatever, it's weird and have noticed it now on a weekly basis, sometimes twice a week.

Talk about depressing! You work your ASS off 7 days a fucking week - look at me now, working at 7 pm on a Sat. nite for fuck's sake - and yet it appears like I only get sales 5 days a week! LOL Man, i should start taking weekends OFF...

Don't blame CCBILL guys, of course ratio sucks lately, but your are not attacking the real problem.

BLAME sites like extreme-board, pornbb dot org, AWEMPIRE or PAYPAL...

The first two are illegal forums with complete site rips of most paysites... The two others are One a cam sponsor supporting illegals sites and the other a PROCESSOR, PROCESSING and accepting donations for EXTREME-BOARD...

again, BLAME those sites... NOT CCBILL, the banks, or others...

I just compared my overalls stats with these and they match 100% .. the exact same dates that your ratio goes skyhigh my does the same .. funny how a global pattern can come like this

best answer:thumbsup:thumbsup

There you go: "coincidence".
NOT a Conspiracy Theorist. I'm a Conspiracy Factualist.

Fact: Whenever human beings manipulate anything there's Conspiracy (or collusion, next best thing)
ANYthing human beings touch:
the markets
religion
politics
sports
theater
school
ANYthing

So yes, when I see patterns like we're discussing I assume someone, somewhere, is doing something. If it were 'natural' then 'nature' would correct itself, not repeat itself. Only humans are that unimaginative. LOL

Things will clear up if and when those that are controlling the knobs decide to, not before. Ride it out y'all.

Yes last few days my sales have been sucking, after the 15th (as always) they take a dive, but this time a little more extended.
Now is a good time to think "will i make it thru the summer" cuz you all now how that goes. And if you say Yes, then start your plan of attack for September now.

Also something I have been doing is making sure surfers know about the inherent dangers of illegal tubes and torrent sites. I've made pages, posts all kinds of things and put them out there. Trust me, this stuff gets around and what i state is completely true.

A person posted here not too long ago that he had polled 1000 surfers on why they would pay for porn and the number one answer was "because I DONT TRUST tubes and torrents. too many viruses, malware, spam emails." All of this is true and there are numerous linkable cases of tubes and torrents loading people's computers with nasty shit.

So I capitalize on that and spread it around. Its a small way to fight back, but imagine if 1000 webmasters made posts and pages to the same effect?

and btw i don't try to sound scary, i just state facts and push the positive side of joining a legit paysite.

Yeah, conversions are fucked up for me too.

I would like to see those promoting dating or cams
or the dating and cam sponsor themselves tell us if they notice the same dirty patterns?

Yep

It's a fucking nightmare here. Something out of control. Can't do a thing about it. For the past few days (close to a week) it's 75% DOWN here ! Can you imagine ?
Adapt or die ? Adapt to WHAT god damn it.
I'm so pissed.

That's the frustrating part: we can just watch and see what is happening. My traffic numbers reach records and I get only a few sign ups. Strange thing is also I am getting sign ups now for programs that I send only a few hits per day and those make the very 1st of 2nd sign up for this year while the main programs where I send a shit load of traffic do NOT convert at all...
It is just impossible that those programs are dead as I made tons of cash with them untill last week...
It is just like all surfers are hypnotized...

The only good thing is that there are other honest webmasters that confirm the same issue... I hope for you and for me that this situation will change A.S.A.P.

click my sig, go mainstream

I got a software that i sell, only 60$ I used to sell some per weeks. Still scoring very well on SE for various niche keywords. ONE SALE THIS MONTH so far. Why ?

People makes the equation that internet = FREE

So they look around for the same fucking script for GUESS WHAT (drum rolls please)
YESSSSSSSSSSSS we got a winner "FREEEEEEEEEEEEEE" version

I think i'll go crack a couple of cans and sit my ass next to my pool and think i'm a king hahahahaha

Fuck internet

man.. that mainstream site don't give me any confidence, it remembers me to thsoe selling ACAI BERRY... they always use those highlighted old fonts and cookie cutter design.

no offense intended, just took a look and that's what I can say.

Although I agree that it's easier to do money with mainstream right now.

Don't be fooled - 'mainstream' is hurting, too. I have three or four friends in 'mainstream' who do B2B marketing, online sales, etc and they're all scratching their heads. Everyone's hurting. I'm sure it's the new credit card rules - people just have not adjusted their lifestyles/spending habits yet. But they will. I'm an Optimist. LOL

But I think it's a factor because now it's not so easy for someone to go over their limit if they are close to that limit, and many people are maxed out on their cards.

AND summer's coming. Oh joy.....

Ratios the the past week were pretty bad.
I had my worst CCBill week since November.
Today i am 10x usual ratios.

Everyone is overlooking what is going on around the world. The financial markets are falling apart with The Euro, The American stock exchange, Countries on the brink of bankruptcy and so on.

People are getting scared that we are heading into another dip in the global recession. Then add to that summer is almost here so people are saving money for vacations, still paying off Xmas and so on. Then add all the free porn that's out their. Not good for us.

I think it's a combination:

Free porn
Economy
Saturation

...and a couple of other things I'm not going to say.

I don't think things will change tbh.

Sales still suck to the same extent as they did when they started to totally drop for me on the 19th...how disappointing..:(

Same here...
I had good hopes for a good weekend but right now it's a total disaster.
I had last week my worst week since I did start in adult way back in 2005 when I had totally NO traffic (only 10K or so). Now I have over 200K and I make less...
It really does not make any sense.

I have heard a whole lot of webmasters with the same issues but...
Can you believe that a relative of me made over 750$ on the 20th of May with just blog traffic???? He made 24 sales that day with a 1:1000 ratio... (+14 rebills that day)...
WTF???

I know this may sound crazy, but I have not seen ANY changes in my overall sales for around 8 months now!

I only have a handful of affiliates, which account for approximately 1/3 of all sales, and my program is very small in comparison to what is out there, but seriously... NO CHANGES WHATSOEVER IN 8 MONTHS! A few sales a day, every single day, for 8 months.

This is part-time for me, and I would love more affiliates and more sales, but I am not complaining at all - a little extra consistent income every week is a good thing!

Kind of bizarre that there have been absolutely no changes in sales numbers over 8 months though....

Sorry i don't beleive you (no hard feelings)

I saw a print of his stats.
He has an exceptional good day that day....

I am happy for him but I saw that day just 25% of his revenue with 10X more traffic...

I have seen a drop in conversion ratios with a lot of our affiliates, especially in the past 2-3 weeks but so far those same affiliates are turning that all around after listening to some promotional tips. If you are promoting Naughty America and are having trouble with your conversions hit me up and I can help you optimize your profits with us.

Do something about it.