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Caligari 05-22-2010 06:25 PM

Yes last few days my sales have been sucking, after the 15th (as always) they take a dive, but this time a little more extended.
Now is a good time to think "will i make it thru the summer" cuz you all now how that goes. And if you say Yes, then start your plan of attack for September now.

Also something I have been doing is making sure surfers know about the inherent dangers of illegal tubes and torrent sites. I've made pages, posts all kinds of things and put them out there. Trust me, this stuff gets around and what i state is completely true.

A person posted here not too long ago that he had polled 1000 surfers on why they would pay for porn and the number one answer was "because I DONT TRUST tubes and torrents. too many viruses, malware, spam emails." All of this is true and there are numerous linkable cases of tubes and torrents loading people's computers with nasty shit.

So I capitalize on that and spread it around. Its a small way to fight back, but imagine if 1000 webmasters made posts and pages to the same effect?

and btw i don't try to sound scary, i just state facts and push the positive side of joining a legit paysite.

18teens 05-22-2010 06:51 PM

Yeah, conversions are fucked up for me too.

stever 05-23-2010 02:05 AM

I would like to see those promoting dating or cams
or the dating and cam sponsor themselves tell us if they notice the same dirty patterns?

Fabien 05-23-2010 10:30 AM

Yep

It's a fucking nightmare here. Something out of control. Can't do a thing about it. For the past few days (close to a week) it's 75% DOWN here ! Can you imagine ?
Adapt or die ? Adapt to WHAT god damn it.
I'm so pissed.

patavax 05-23-2010 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fabien (Post 17166577)
Yep

It's a fucking nightmare here. Something out of control. Can't do a thing about it. For the past few days (close to a week) it's 75% DOWN here ! Can you imagine ?
Adapt or die ? Adapt to WHAT god damn it.
I'm so pissed.

That's the frustrating part: we can just watch and see what is happening. My traffic numbers reach records and I get only a few sign ups. Strange thing is also I am getting sign ups now for programs that I send only a few hits per day and those make the very 1st of 2nd sign up for this year while the main programs where I send a shit load of traffic do NOT convert at all...
It is just impossible that those programs are dead as I made tons of cash with them untill last week...
It is just like all surfers are hypnotized...

The only good thing is that there are other honest webmasters that confirm the same issue... I hope for you and for me that this situation will change A.S.A.P.

Zester 05-23-2010 01:28 PM

click my sig, go mainstream

Fabien 05-23-2010 02:27 PM

I got a software that i sell, only 60$ I used to sell some per weeks. Still scoring very well on SE for various niche keywords. ONE SALE THIS MONTH so far. Why ?

People makes the equation that internet = FREE

So they look around for the same fucking script for GUESS WHAT (drum rolls please)
YESSSSSSSSSSSS we got a winner "FREEEEEEEEEEEEEE" version

I think i'll go crack a couple of cans and sit my ass next to my pool and think i'm a king hahahahaha

Fuck internet

Argos88 05-23-2010 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zester (Post 17166849)
click my sig, go mainstream

man.. that mainstream site don't give me any confidence, it remembers me to thsoe selling ACAI BERRY... they always use those highlighted old fonts and cookie cutter design.

no offense intended, just took a look and that's what I can say.

Although I agree that it's easier to do money with mainstream right now.

The Porn Nerd 05-23-2010 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Argos88 (Post 17167052)

Although I agree that it's easier to do money with mainstream right now.

Don't be fooled - 'mainstream' is hurting, too. I have three or four friends in 'mainstream' who do B2B marketing, online sales, etc and they're all scratching their heads. Everyone's hurting. I'm sure it's the new credit card rules - people just have not adjusted their lifestyles/spending habits yet. But they will. I'm an Optimist. LOL

But I think it's a factor because now it's not so easy for someone to go over their limit if they are close to that limit, and many people are maxed out on their cards.

AND summer's coming. Oh joy.....

AZNNC 05-23-2010 06:30 PM

Ratios the the past week were pretty bad.
I had my worst CCBill week since November.
Today i am 10x usual ratios.

SuzzyQ 05-23-2010 06:49 PM

Everyone is overlooking what is going on around the world. The financial markets are falling apart with The Euro, The American stock exchange, Countries on the brink of bankruptcy and so on.

People are getting scared that we are heading into another dip in the global recession. Then add to that summer is almost here so people are saving money for vacations, still paying off Xmas and so on. Then add all the free porn that's out their. Not good for us.

DatingGameExpert 05-23-2010 10:36 PM

I think it's a combination:

Free porn
Economy
Saturation

...and a couple of other things I'm not going to say.

I don't think things will change tbh.

mrmarcman 05-24-2010 10:48 AM

Sales still suck to the same extent as they did when they started to totally drop for me on the 19th...how disappointing..:(

Agent 488 05-24-2010 11:01 AM

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patavax 05-24-2010 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrmarcman (Post 17168882)
Sales still suck to the same extent as they did when they started to totally drop for me on the 19th...how disappointing..:(

Same here...
I had good hopes for a good weekend but right now it's a total disaster.
I had last week my worst week since I did start in adult way back in 2005 when I had totally NO traffic (only 10K or so). Now I have over 200K and I make less...
It really does not make any sense.

I have heard a whole lot of webmasters with the same issues but...
Can you believe that a relative of me made over 750$ on the 20th of May with just blog traffic???? He made 24 sales that day with a 1:1000 ratio... (+14 rebills that day)...
WTF???

BFT3K 05-24-2010 12:37 PM

I know this may sound crazy, but I have not seen ANY changes in my overall sales for around 8 months now!

I only have a handful of affiliates, which account for approximately 1/3 of all sales, and my program is very small in comparison to what is out there, but seriously... NO CHANGES WHATSOEVER IN 8 MONTHS! A few sales a day, every single day, for 8 months.

This is part-time for me, and I would love more affiliates and more sales, but I am not complaining at all - a little extra consistent income every week is a good thing!

Kind of bizarre that there have been absolutely no changes in sales numbers over 8 months though....

Fabien 05-24-2010 02:04 PM

Sorry i don't beleive you (no hard feelings)

patavax 05-24-2010 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fabien (Post 17169673)
Sorry i don't beleive you (no hard feelings)

I saw a print of his stats.
He has an exceptional good day that day....

I am happy for him but I saw that day just 25% of his revenue with 10X more traffic...

dirtybaker1331 05-24-2010 04:30 PM

I have seen a drop in conversion ratios with a lot of our affiliates, especially in the past 2-3 weeks but so far those same affiliates are turning that all around after listening to some promotional tips. If you are promoting Naughty America and are having trouble with your conversions hit me up and I can help you optimize your profits with us.

LickMyBalls 05-24-2010 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Argos88 (Post 17163817)
We can't pretend to sell something that is available for free EVERYWHERE.

.

Do something about it.

GrouchyAdmin 05-24-2010 04:41 PM

Everyone's forced to have really high fraud scrubbing these days. It's not going to get better.

Bhunter 05-24-2010 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrouchyAdmin (Post 17170038)
Everyone's forced to have really high fraud scrubbing these days. It's not going to get better.

I think this could be the reason why it's crap.. BUT WHY THE FUCK SUDDENLY WOULD THE PROCESSORS ENABLE THIS SHIT??

GrouchyAdmin 05-24-2010 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bhunter (Post 17170063)
I think this could be the reason why it's crap.. BUT WHY THE FUCK SUDDENLY WOULD THE PROCESSORS ENABLE THIS SHIT??

In case you are not aware, many, many banks are dropping out of high risk. Those who have existing relationships are doing what they can to keep them happy upstream.

LickMyBalls 05-24-2010 08:28 PM


Bhunter 05-25-2010 01:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrouchyAdmin (Post 17170068)
In case you are not aware, many, many banks are dropping out of high risk. Those who have existing relationships are doing what they can to keep them happy upstream.

Godverdomme Zeg!!

black1000 05-25-2010 05:01 AM

I reduced subscr. price for one of my paysites from $24 to $10 just to check if it had something to do with money and guess what - NOTHING! No sales
I have absolutely no explanation for that. I'm with Verotel and they don't decline transactions

Bhunter 05-25-2010 05:08 AM

Well I sent an e-mail to ccbill with my concerns..

pornmasta 05-25-2010 05:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patavax (Post 17155427)
My average for 2008 was 1:324 (raw)
My average for 2009 was: 1:513 (raw)
My average for 2010 is 1:1063 (raw)
My average for May 2010 is 1:1810 (raw)
I have raised my traffic since last year so my revenue is the same as last year...


CCbill's stats ?

Thomas007 05-25-2010 05:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nickutis (Post 17158102)
http://www.adultwebmasteraffiliate.com/forums/horay.jpg

Hooorrrray to last two days of may!!!


http://www.adultreviews.com/boardposts/may-2010.png

Notice may 19th.

Your day to day variations matches ours.

It points to the billing.

Roby 05-25-2010 05:22 AM

try this sponsor great convert Royal-Cash

patavax 05-25-2010 06:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornmasta (Post 17171245)
CCbill's stats ?

Well these stats are my mixed stats as I work with +75 sponsors but my 2 main sponsors are ccbill sites to who I send about 80% of my hits.
Since 4 years I make a living with these CCBILL sites so it is not a matter that these sites should not convert as I made tons of money with them and my traffic stream to them was never bigger than this month (I am not talking of sending < 10K of hits per day but much more).

I see I am still converting with other sites but almost NOT with CCBILL.
Funny thing is that I make conversions with NATS sites that made my 1st or 2nd sale for this year (I only send a few hits per day to these sites) but most of my traffic to CCBILL sites does NOT convert since May 16. I mean: I make only 15% of my normal sales and that is absolutely NOT normal.


My main NATS sponsor's conversion ratios:
March 2010: 1:2148
April 2010: 1:1389
May 2010: 1:1021

You see: with the same traffic my conversion ratio is better for May 2010 and thanks to this sponsor I have made some money the last week....


I don't blame anybody but this situation with the ccbill sites is getting out of control.

Are there other webmasters who see the same thing in their conversions with CCBILL sites ???

Bhunter 05-25-2010 06:06 AM

Quote:

Are there other webmasters who see the same thing in their conversions with CCBILL sites ???
I do.. after the maintenance for EU clients processing provider new sales got reduced by 70%

patavax 05-25-2010 06:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bhunter (Post 17171375)
I do.. after the maintenance for EU clients processing provider new sales got reduced by 70%

GodXXXXXXXX man,

SCHEDULED MAY 17 MAINTENANCE AFFECTING EU-BASED CLIENTS AND AFFILIATES
Posted May 5th, 2010 15:10:36, by CCBill Management


SCHEDULED MAY 17 MAINTENANCE AFFECTING EU-BASED CLIENTS AND AFFILIATES

The provider that processes credit card transactions for our EU-based clients will be performing a short system maintenance on May 17 between 8:30 a.m. and 9:30 a.m. Greenwich Mean Time (1:30 a.m. and 2:30 a.m. Mountain Standard Time).

During this time frame, its online services will be unavailable, and some corresponding transactions for CCBill EU-based clients that occur during the maintenance window will be batched.

Please note: during this short maintenance no transaction data will be lost, and following the maintenance, regular transaction activity will resume.

If you experience any issues or prolonged interruptions of service from this maintenance, please contact CCBill Client Support 24/7 at [email protected], 800-510-2859, or by Live chat.

Many thanks,

CCBill Management

Bhunter 05-25-2010 06:31 AM

now 7 days later.. still 70% down..

same traffic same tour... and ccbill is the last link in the game.. so they may explain!

patavax 05-25-2010 06:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bhunter (Post 17171440)
now 7 days later.. still 70% down..

same traffic same tour... and ccbill is the last link in the game.. so they may explain!

You are fucking right man!
XXXverdomme nog aan toe!

My dip started on the 16th but that day I made double sales than on the 17th...
And since the 17th I make only a few sign ups per day...
I had my very worst ccbill week last week (from Sunday to last Saturday) since I first started in adult and it is NOT getting better now...
If this situation continues I will have a new record next Saturday...

Bhunter 05-25-2010 06:36 AM

I've sent this morning a e-mail.. they take their time to come up with an answer

************

Hello,

After the maintenance on 17 May I’m seeing a decrease of 70% in new transactions..
I’m also wondering if the fraud scrubbing is set higher since then.. because on my side traffic and layout on my sites has remained untouched.

Is this something that’s affecting only my account?

With kind regards,
Patryk

************

I'm waiting for my fucking reply and I'm fucking ichty today.. but lucky me got an date with an model tonight.. hope she will make me chill.

Bhunter 05-25-2010 06:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patavax (Post 17171456)
You are fucking right man!
XXXverdomme nog aan toe!

My dip started on the 16th but that day I made double sales than on the 17th...
And since the 17th I make only a few sign ups per day...
I had my very worst ccbill week last week (from Sunday to last Saturday) since I first started in adult and it is NOT getting better now...
If this situation continues I will have a new record next Saturday...

G-domme!!


If this continues I'll have to start testing Epoch with my own traffic.. and then eventually make that switch from CCbill to Epoch once again.. i did that with succes with my first program. (But I prefer to not do that again)

patavax 05-25-2010 06:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bhunter (Post 17171458)
I've sent this morning a e-mail.. they take their time to come up with an answer

************

Hello,

After the maintenance on 17 May I?m seeing a decrease of 70% in new transactions..
I?m also wondering if the fraud scrubbing is set higher since then.. because on my side traffic and layout on my sites has remained untouched.

Is this something that?s affecting only my account?

With kind regards,
Patryk

************

I'm waiting for my fucking reply and I'm fucking ichty today.. but lucky me got an date with an model tonight.. hope she will make me chill.



Hey Pat, Let us all know if you get a reply from ccbill. In the meantime I wish you have a good date tonight... but keep your money in the wallet as if this continues you will gonna need it...

Bhunter 05-25-2010 07:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patavax (Post 17171568)
Hey Pat, Let us all know if you get a reply from ccbill. In the meantime I wish you have a good date tonight... but keep your money in the wallet as if this continues you will gonna need it...

HAHA.. you're so right!! :thumbsup thank you.


Yes every reply will be posted here!!

TMM_John 05-25-2010 07:20 AM

You guys need to get NATS (or even MPA!) and take control of your business.

Relying one processor no matter who it may be is not a good idea. I've seen customers increase sales & lower ratios dramatically by using 5, 6, 7, or even more different processors depending on geo information, the site, time frame, etc. Its not just a simple matter of being able to go to another processor on a decline, its much more than that. Those who understand and practice this have very good overall ratios.

Plus, putting all of your eggs in one basket, pointing your links/affiliate links at a domain you don't own, and letting a 3rd party own/control your affiliate data is never ever a good idea.


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