I know.. I was in contact with both companies.. for me it's not yet the right time to make that switch..

Today I agree.
But the last 5 years I did get my wire with dollars every Tuesday morning from ccbill...
I never had any problem with them untill now...

CCBill is a fantastic company and run by great people. But, that doesn't mean you don't need a tool to utilize them & others to their full extent.

If there's something we can do to make it easier for you, let us know.

Some people wonder about the switch over.

We always do a full affiliate import & link redirect at no cost when someone gets NATS for their program. Its actually a very easy switch over.

There are a LOT of features in NATS and it can make the admin seem a bit overwhelming at times, but if you are sticking to the basics and setting up a normal standard type affiliate program its actually very easy. On the other hand if you choose to, you can get into every little detail and tweak everything as you like it. The extent is up to you.

I'm in the same boat. I'm only seeing a few rebills from ccbill. ZERO sales in a week and I've been growing consistently for quite awhile and this happens.

Welcome on the boat my fellow sailor.. let's smoke a pipe and wait till for replies together.

Basic things will do for me .. with several billers..

Someday you or Vlad will hear from me again :thumbsup

Imagine Youtube started showing any full length movie you wanted to see. Do you think this would affect DVD / cinema revenue. Cos that is basically what has happened to us.

Can someone remind me why the tube adult sites are allowed to show full length stolen movies? If Youtube pulled this shit with new release movies, they would get shut down pretty quick. Why have we let these guys completely destroy online porn as a business?

Thanks for the info mate. This situation is really critical.
I am in the process of switching off all sponsors with ccbill on my network.

contact us, we may be interested by your secret weapons.

still no reply in the mail.. but ok.. in USA the day just started..

I just get a report from one of my main CCBILL sponsors.

Since May 17 only 5.56% on average of the form submissions makes it to a sale while before May 17 this was 22.87% on average...

Good question, i would say its because the powers that be WANT to destroy the online porn business. Any helpful legislation that arises will come from mainstream i.e. movie industry going after torrents etc.
No one gives a flying fuck about porn, unless their mission is to destroy it.

Critical, absolutely.

In my opinion tubes have nothing to do with my situation. I've never complained about tubes, because it's not something I can control. Tubes didn't pop up last week for the first time and start taking my sales.

Absolutely right.
We have suffered already from tubes since mid 2008 but since that time my sales were stabile and steady.
This is a much bigger issue.

People just don't signup anymore. It's the number one reason. Face the facts. It's not a CcBill issue.

When it comes to fraud scrubbing:
I did get another report from one of my main ccbill sponsors:

This year I have made 516 new sales, on that number I had 7 chargebacks, 1 void and 1 returned check.

2009: 1526 new sales 8 chargebacks, 4 voids and 9 returned checks.

Credit Crunch. Chargebacks are up. Times are tougher.

I just wanted to make a statement that I DO NOT have too many chargebacks, voids and returned checks. Only a very small percentage...

FYI:
I run 20+ paysites (see sig). 7 or 8 make consistent sales, 4 or 5 make occassional sales and the rest (all sites 3+ years old with no updates) act as 'bonus sites'.

The 7 or 8 sites that make sales every day range from 1 sale up to 15 sales per day. So an 'average' day means, network-wide, 40+ sales. A "good" day and it's closer to 100 sales per day.

Since Sunday (the 1st day of the billing week for CCBill) until this very second:
11 sales in 3 days, network-wide.

Traffic is the same (even UP in some cases).

Finally, knowing that I would have a TON of traffic hitting today (20,000+ uniques) hitting my best-converting website (Fellucia Blow) I switched my Cascade from CCBill to Epoch at midnight (Tuesday). Wake up, 8,000+ uniques.....2 sales.

With that kind of traffic we would expect 15+ sales.

So i switched back to CCBill 2 hours ago. 35 form hits = 0 sales.

Denials HAVE been off the charts lately but this is fucking insanity. I did this test today/last night, with this website with these traffic sources because, if this were a month ago, even two weeks ago, we would've seen mass sales. NOTHING has changed in the above equation - NOTHING - and when you have months and months of data, over 2 million visitors, etc that proves incredible machine-like consistency then THIS happens you know something is very, very fucked up (with both CCBill and Epoch).


Today? Bullshit.

So i dunno guys....time to ask Tony Parra for some Subway applications.

Thanks for the update. I am also desperate.
This is so fucking insane...
I am also looking for a way out of this situation...

Did you contact CCBILL or EPOCH ???

Yes Epoch - but just to tell them I'm switching the cascade BACK to CCBill after seeing 180+ form hits and only 2 submissions/approvals. LOL Jesus - 187!!!! We should've had ten minimum sales from those kinds of form hit numbers.

But when it comes to contacting CCBill or Epoch to complain or inquire I get the feeling their phones are ringing off da hook, as the kidz say, so MY calling would just add to the cacophony.

Bottom line here: Like many who enjoy the convenience and the trust companies like CCBill and Epoch (and others) can provide for people, being able to completely control the submission process is looking more and more like the way to go. So if CCBill, Epoch et al don't want to see a massive flood of Paysite/Program Owners fleeing their companies and going to NATS or even their own merch accounts these guys better lower the scrub, increase their put-throughs, ease off on the fraud detection 0 tolerance they seem to have now and MAKE US OUR FUCKING MONEY.

Or we'll just take hundreds of thousands - to - millions of dollars away from them. For 14.5 - 11.5% we get THIS kind of ratios? Ridiculous.

I'm online now.. waiting for Paul.. will keep ya updated

it's 11pm here and i'll keep up the whole night before i have an answer

i'm getting al kind of denail e-mail from diffrent users.. while looking in statscouter and no surfer is exiting to my ccbill join pages...


could this be the e-mails from last week finaly arriving in my box???

I see EXACTLY the same sales pattern with my websites. I use CCBill.
I tried Epoch but I hated it.

Lately -since 2 months- I have seen a lot of denials from CCBill.
I don't even bother writing or phoning them. I allready know the answer. :

"Everything runs smoothly on our end. Nothing special to say."

I guess it is time to switch to another processor but I wonder if it will make a difference.
+ all my affiliates would have to change their links... damn what a mess.

Still awake? LOL

I go out, spend the whole day trying to chill and not FREAK OUT MAN. Meanwhile, traffic keeps coming and coming and cumming all over my fucking websites, like a homeless degenerate whackin' and jackin' it til he OOZES his sperm all over....okay, sorry. Weird day.

Anyway, come home after not checking for seven hours - SEVEN HOURS - and got....two sales.

okay seriously - 12000 visitors and 2 sales????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????

And let me guess: nothing from CCBill, right?

I DID get an email saying how they've adjusted their regional pricing. LOL Great - what's x% of 0?

Okay, finally got a sale! Must've been all those question marks above. They worked! Quick! Everyone start putting a lot of ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????
in their posts!

Org-fucking-laugh.

LOL, maybe the more ????s you put the more sales you get (try it! :) )

Seriously tho, I believe you're not too far from our offices. You're welcome to come down and see first hand how you can maximize what you're making off of your sites or just do some hanging out if you'd like :)

Tell you what: I'll say I'll come down and talk to y'all and hang out JUST to make the CCBill-ers who monitor these threads sweat a little. LOL How's after Memorial Day? I'm getting the FUCK outta town this year. Although I actually love the city during these long weekends; no one around, the lines at the movies are short, the park (Central) is a wee less madding. But I need a freakin' TAN after all these months being a keyboard monkey so it's the beach for Mister P! I'll hit you up upon my return. :D

one fitty sucky conversions:disgust

It's not all bad.

Here are my daredorm (nastydollars) stats today:

Dare Dorm 3913 6 1:652 $210

I have checked the ratios for sites working with NATS and indeed my ratios are OK there but I send 80% of my traffic to sites with CCBILL as processor and that makes a big difference (since start of 2nd half of May 2010, between May 1 and May 15 my sales were OK)...

It's 14 hours later now... Still waiting?
Or let me guess: they have checked your sites and all is running smoothly...

nothing changed on their side

dont worry i called the surfers
and the signups are back
no more worries

thank you..


anyway the moment i got on icq with paul.. suddenly ccbill sales for my program returned to normal.. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh no shit!!

R U Serious ???

It's NOT Ccbill or Epoch. For the past 5 years I ran my websites successfully with Verotel and the situation is exactly the same here. But how to explain all this traffic coming to our websites without sales? My guess is people can't simply wait to see them without "Members" or "Join" buttons. Just check out these articles:
http://torrentfreak.com/rapidshare-n...-rules-100520/

http://torrentfreak.com/rapidshare-n...-rules-100504/

In case you didn't know our content is already on their servers available for 6 Euro. And now these NAZI m-fuckers grew even stronger, they're untouchable now!!

Why would ccbill care if you talk to John? John and Ccbill have a great relationship using John doesn't take away biz from ccbill.