They intentionally caused the Great Depression to get what they wanted and are doing it again.. Never had a crash?


1 Wall Street Crash of 1929
2 October 19, 1987
3 The Dotcom crash
4 The Crash of 2008
5 May 6, 2010 Flash Crash


Just to name a few and all due to the Feds monetary policy

And fresh off the press.

The bankster operative who helped destroy Glass-Steagall is back.

Larry Summers, Obama’s top economic adviser, has told Congress to “grit its teeth” and approve a fresh fiscal boost of $200 billion to keep growth on track, reports the Daily Telegraph. “We are nearly 8m jobs short of normal employment. For millions of Americans the economic emergency grinds on,” he said.

The M3 money supply in the United States is contracting at an accelerating rate that now matches the average decline seen from 1929 to 1933, despite near zero interest rates and the stimulus boondoggle.

“It’s frightening,” professor Tim Congdon from International Monetary Research told the Daily Telegraph. “The plunge in M3 has no precedent since the Great Depression. The dominant reason for this is that regulators across the world are pressing banks to raise capital asset ratios and to shrink their risk assets. This is why the US is not recovering properly,” he said.

No precedent since the Great Depression. Meanwhile, the corporate media has the public obsessing over Lindsay Lohan’s court-ordered ankle bracelet.

The M3 is a measure of the money supply. It began tumbling last summer. The stock of fiat money fell from $14.2 trillion to $13.9 trillion in the three months to April, amounting to an annual rate of contraction of 9.6 percent. The assets of institutional money market funds fell at a 37 percent rate, the sharpest drop ever.

In 2006, the Federal Reserve stopped publishing M3 figures. The Fed said it did this to save money. Nonsense. It did this to stop you from understanding what the big boys are doing with the money supply. It allows them to more effectively cook the books and keep you in the dark. It allows them to portray the largest economic crisis in history as a recovery.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/fiat-mon...ion-level.html

The Feds ONLY purpose is to keep the general population in perpetual debt.. In debt to them.. That's it.

I'm not sure about your conclusion, onwebcam but I think what you laid out here (in part) illustrates the deflationary forces that are work.

There were crashes before the Fed was created and there would be crashes after it is dismantled (if that ever occurs, which I doubt).

The facts surrounding the crashes do not support your theories just like crashes before the Fed Reserve don't support your theory.

The big crash, people borrowed money THEN invested the money on inflated stocks. The market had more stocks sold on loan than the entire eco had in money in supply. When you buy inflated stocks with fake borrowed money, chances are it's going to fail, even more so when we didn't have the money to pay out on it.

Heck I think the quality of life greatly improved 'after' the creation of the Fed Reserve, fake or not.



Nothing from prison planet is fresh off the press...

But let's play the game anyway. When a raw material is first found and some products created - at that point they first paid for. That's the "real value" - if you're shoe really cost $10 to make - that's it's "real value."

However because we have a recycling money supply (amount of money makes no difference) "WE the People" increase or decrease the value of the goods based on demand. Money is another good, and we effect it the same way however it's value is based on our ability to keep producing wealth (ie: moving money).

If you inject a huge amount of money into our system, it will simple cycle itself out because we as a society and world economy repurchase the same already paid for raw products, over and over again - much done on debt. It keeps the cycle of money moving, when it stops moving - then you have problems.

Which is why they injected more money into the eco after every major crash. They start the money flow again and the repurchase cycle starts back up and the eco fires over, jobs get created, etc.

I agree a 100 times over with ya it's nasty ass system. However the Fed Reserve and it's ability to allow you to create wealth is far beyond anything we could have ever had 100 years ago. So knocking it rather than working with it, is.... crazy.

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Fear my typo skills!

The Fed created a bubble by flooding the market with money. It happened in the 20's and crash. It happened with the S&L scandle and crash. It happened with the dotcom bubble and crash. It happened with the real estate bubble and crash.. It's happening with the bailout bubble and it's going to crash..



I think "intrinsic value" is the term you're looking for.

I exchange my labor for my needs in exchange for someone else's. Money isn't a "good" it's a mode of exchange. It's "value" is manipulted to serve only a few.. The "few," bankers create nothing of intrinsic value to society and charge us an interest for doing so and make me, my children and their children forever endebted slave to their system.. With the help of Washington..



In both the 1929 crash and the '08 crash the money supply was decreased which caused the crashes.. If there's not enough money to go around then theres not enough money for people to earn a living to pay their bills (mostly interest encrude debt). A crash.. Foreclosures, job losses, etc follow.. Which is what we have now..

Working with a system that only truly benefits a few is.. crazy.. Working with a system that enslaves you, your children, and their children to debt is.. crazy..

I think you're confused on what happened... Because of WW1, the Fed Reserve by 1929 had a record amount of Gold. The reason it crashed was because of a lack of money in supply, due to purchase of totally different and fake Capital - which was corporate stocks.


They must create some type of market value or you wouldn't have what you have today. How are you a slave? Because you have to work to better life or should everyone just have the same low level crap life, living off the land?


Just above you said "The Fed created a bubble by flooding the market with money." now you're saying "In both the 1929 crash and the '08 crash the money supply was decreased which caused the crashes.."

The 2nd statement is kind of correct - However "They" did not decrease the money supply as the stock capital value was never in the supply.

I'm not a slave to the system, I work when and how I choose, purchase what, go on vacations when I want, visit public parks, national parks, drive on great roads, drink clean water and live a very safe life.

If that's slavery, then sign me the fuck up.

I have basically stated the same thing to him. If I am a slave...I have a very generous "Massa'".

The Federal Reserve had too much gold because they were trading their non intrinsic fiat currency for our intrisic gold. Once the country had run up so much debt in fiat currency it went bankrupt and the Fed seized the peoples intrisic value gold to pay for the debt created with their non-intrinsic fiat currency.


I don't borrow. I live within my means and I live a comfortable life. If I need something I pay for it with cash on hand or I trade my labor for what I want or need. An example. Two years ago I wanted a movie star smile :) And a dentist needed a new garage. I built his garage and got my movie star smile.. Now even though I live what I consider responsible life I get told that more and more of my income needs to be taken away because others have lived irresponsible lives.. That doesn't work for me.. I especially don't like politicians sitting around all day trying to figure out how they can increase my cost of living to expand their control and wallets.



You pay an ever increasing amount of your earnings to the slavery system yearly. This is interest on the debt created via no risk of their own. If their little scam of a system does blow up in their face they create more debt which you and I can never ever possibly repay and they just come up with new schemes for us to pay the interest so they can get their cut. There isn't even enough money in the system just to service the interest on the debt much less the principle..Therefore your children and their children are born with a price tag on their head. They are behind from birth.

Debt slavery.. Shackled to the debt..


Money As Debt
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...6453790090544#

To expand further on how you are a slave to the system. The legal system. Judges are acting in an administrative capacity. Administering the bankruptcy. Police officers and the statutes they enforce are all a part of the bankruptcy. Essentially revenue officers. All a part of the scheme to service the fiat debt.. They need more revenue they pass more statutes to enforce.. All a part of the slavery system. Your leaders only discuss the tax revenue collected. They don't discuss the second set of books. The CAFR's




CAFR: UC budget fully funded with one-fifth of one percent of state of CA “investments”
May 24, 7:58 AMLA County Nonpartisan Examiner Carl Herman

The UC [University of California] system had a budget deficit for this ending school year of $0.65 billion. The policy response was to deny 2,300 students enrollment, lay-off over 2,000 faculty and staff, furlough teaching days and cut 10% salaries, and raise tuition by 32%. For less than one-fifth of one percent of the investment total of California, UC would have been fully-funded and those reductions eliminated.

This was a point in my previous CAFR article; I’m highlighting it here and invite you to fully understand the data. The meaning of the data is that our economic crisis has been intentionally created by our political “leaders” and propagandized by corporate media. Knowledge of the data empowers citizens to end the crisis, fully investigate the criminals who caused it, and implement the obvious economic solutions that unleash trillions of dollars worth of Americans’ productivity every year for our maximum benefit and enjoyment.

Actually, because complicity in corruption is so deep, the probable best policy response is Truth and Reconciliation to exchange full factual disclosure and return of public assets for no prosecution. What isn’t disclosed within a time window is subject to criminal and civil prosecution. The purpose of this strategy is for those willing to have a “Scrooge conversion” to become powerful partners of humanity for cooperation, justice, dignity and freedom for all. Their information is vital to conclusive and rapid end of American criminal political and economic oligarchs.

California’s political “leadership” of both parties have lied in omission by failing to discuss California’s investments of $367 billion (page 48) as a possible source of funding for the ~$20 billion budget deficit. Ethical politicians would have presented the facts for professional and independent economic cost-benefit analysis to communicate choices to the tax-paying public. But ours have failed in their primary duty to represent the public good, and will soon have to explain the facts.

“Leadership” claims that this money is necessary to leave alone in order to mainly for public employee retirement benefits. Let’s check that story. California’s Comprehensive Annual Financial Report (CAFR) shows current member contribution pays for all retiree benefits except for $1.8 billion (also pages 48 and 49). This means that Republican and Democratic “leaders” say they need to extract and hold over $367 billion from the taxpayers in order to pay for a cost of one-half of one percent of OUR money they took from us.

These “leaders” are lying sacks of spin.

continued..
http://www.examiner.com/x-18425-LA-C...CA-investments

When it comes to the fed its just about all jews running amuk without congressional oversight so don't even try. :)

Jew hater.. If your lastr name was Nazi... Or Bush.. Or Obama..

*summary of above*

"We" have never "had" a "crash" (since the Fed Reserve Act) because I can define "we" and "had" and "crash" to be anything I want.

Oops. There was a depression long ago (some call it a crash) but this "crash" is not the same as the "crash" in my first sentence. That is why the "crash" statement in my first sentence is still true. In fact, the depression was not really a crash at all. It was merely a "momentary depressed economy".

And anyways, the federal reserve only solves problems and never creates them. They would never "crash" the economy and even if something like that occured, we would of course use a different word instead of "crash". This is the reason why "the system" "cant" "crash". :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Hey Moron, nobody is saying we didn't have crashes.. The focus was the Fed Reserve didn't create the crashes... at least get your fucking half attempts at being lame correct.

I swear GFY is getting filled with fucking stupid people, every day more and more idiots find this place.

So basically because we're in bankruptcy and because we have a society, which requires money to operate - we're slaves?

See, what you don't understand is slaves can't do what they want. I can leave, open a company to avoid paying more taxes, actually setup in a way that I pay zero taxes fed or state or personal.... and the list goes on and on - the choice is 100% mine.

Again, if this is slavery - sign me up! For sure being American Slavery - I want to be a the best slave, and not just some 2nd hand world slave.

Unless you are a 'jack of all trades' that kind of system will just never work. What if you need to trade your skill for something but no one needs anything your skill can produce? Shit out of luck i guess.

i hope we are no slaves...

You can just trade a "chicken", like the Nevada chick said..HA! His example was clearly bullshit.

In the time period it would have taken him to build a garage, he could have just worked, made the money and paid the man cash, and got back to work quicker to earn even more money.

What are you trying to say? That there's a group of people who use something that looks and sounds like English but has different definitions?


The did create the crashes.. It's a fact..

No what I'm saying is that what you think are your public servants in reality see you as a stupid uneducated slave. They lie about what is really going on, hide money and spend all day trying to find new ways to get more money from you and I. They pass laws to make it lawful for them to profit from their "statutes" which "control" you while you the slave can't.

What if this same system of "control" was setup around the same time around the World? Were you not aware that this hapened? And those places where it is not are currently being beat into submission to be setup that way? I think they call it "democracy"

Slave
1. One bound in servitude as the property of a person or household.

When the first settlers came to America the majority came here via being bonded slaves.. A wealthy person would put the money up and they would get a bond which you would have to work off. DO YOU HAVE A BIRTH CERTIFICATE? Why don't you go and try the original and get back with me..

The Nazi regime was the total opposite of the bush and obama regime. They were actually fighting the big banks "NWO" grip if you will. Bush and Obama bow down to this.

Funny how people use nazi and bush in the same sentence.

Not really sure what you meant by that sentence.

Person
In general usage, a human being; by statute, however, the term can include firms, labor organizations, partnerships, associations, corporations, legal representatives, trustees, trustees in Bankruptcy, or receivers.



I was just fucking with you on the "jew" thing..

Hitler was an illegitimate Rothschild.. He was part of the bloodline just like Obama, and Bush.. Hitler believed the same as they do. He just tried to follow the plan too fast..

Well, the problem with your facts is they aren't supported by what's actually published as fact and not on a conspiracy website.

Okay, what if I see them as the stupid uneducated slaves because they think they have power when they have nothing?

I can do the exact same thing they are, go run for office and stupid crap, bend over and take it up the ass for getting that ego power boost... just depends if I want to be a douche to people or not or take it up the ass for money.

It's just a different way to do it, they hold no actual power over me.



A slave is actually property of someone else, legal ownership.. sell them, buy others, basically treat them like a house pet that you can control.

I hope you're not saying a birth certificate means you're a slave....

No I do not pay taxes to people. No, people don't tell me how to live, never happened once in my adult life.

However tax wise, I don't mind paying taxes... I understand the community isn't going to pull together to water the plants in the middle of the highway that I like to see when I drive through this shit hole.

They don't eh? You mean you don't have to follow their statutes? What do you have diplomatic immunity?


Exactly what I'm saying.. The Shephard-Towner maternity act was passed in 1921 because the United States corporation was in debt. They needed a way to borrow more money. They used these bonds to securitize the debt and borrow more against them. And they were traded on the market.. The Act was allowed to expire in 1929 because it was so controversial.. I wonder why? If there is no law that says you have to have a birth certificate then why is it you are required to have one again? Oh yeah you need one to be President.. lmao

Your roads are paid for via taxes on gasoline.. Your water, water bill.. Just like your elecctric bill.. Your schools property taxes.. Which BTW you are only a tennant and don;t actually own because a slave can't own anything.. Your state government sales taxes.. This country was built without a federal income tax.. It was only suppose to be temporary to "fund the war" a war which was backed on both sides the very people who control our monetary policy.

Gerald Celente doesn't fuck around. I hope he's wrong though :(

He always says the United States will be like Calcutta... haha

Does Calcutta suck or something?

If you're asking if I live under laws, then yes... Just like in any Country, land, location in just about any time in history I would be subject to such rules. However if I don't like the rules, being a free man I can leave and quit paying taxes.


I guess I would need to see the copy of the contract related to the birth certificate that represents ownership by a government, that I signed. Until then... it's not that.


Current roads, yes.. and my registration and part of my insurance for safety stuff too, but not at first. I know our Country has a lot of taxes, all over the place... I'm fine with that. I would love a fair or flat tax, but it isn't going to happen.

It's not the early 1900's anymore... we have a few more things, a few more costs, than we did before. If you want to live in a place with no or very low taxes - being a free man, you can move to any number of 2nd or 3rd world Countries and live it up!

Most people are raised to believe that hitler was the epitome of evil pretty much like bin laden and I must say I believed it for a while. After doing some reasearch I'm thinking quite the opposite. To say that he was following a plan like the rothchilds (a bit early) couldn't be further from the truth. Most people don't know he was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize (not that that means much these days). He didn't want war, and to be totally honest I havn't seen any proof that the holocaust happened at all. The Jews declared a worldwide boycott on them and basically infiltrated every government surrounding him way before any war ever started (40,000 people in madison square garden even). His only choice was to go on the offense.

If I'm sounding crazy watch benjamin's speech (a jew)


Also david coles auchwitz video (another jew)



and last but not least hitlers declaration of war speech against the USA, which paints a TOTALLY different picture of what we've been told.



You are one of the only open minded people on this site and I would like your input on these subjects without being called names. If you have any information to go against my case i'm open and will not call you any names I promise. Media control is more powerful than an atomic bomb sometimes.
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Well that's exactly what I'm asking for in the courts. And I'm obviously being railroaded at every turn.. You are tricked into it via the various "benefits and privileges" in which you signed up for or your parents did for you as you got older. One of those being the Social Security #, Selective Service, "drivers" license, etc but they won't produce the actual contracts hidden behind them.. There's A LOT more to this whole scheme but I'm not going to get into it all right now..


There's no need to ANY income tax.. The only reason there is is because of the Federal Reserve. States and the Federal Government can fund projects by issuing money into the system to those people and for those projects.. Right now the governments issue bonds and the money is "borrowed" from the Federal Reserve..


I'm not going to go anywhere..

What they are doing are NOT "laws" it's corporate policy "statutes"..

A law would be broken if you harmed someone physically of financially. If you are going too fast on the road you aren't breaking the law you're breaking corporate policy. If you don't have on your seat belt you aren't breaking the law you're breaking corporate policy..

"Drivers license": You are tricked into privilege that comes with rules attached to it to do something you have every right to do which is travel in or on your own personal conveyance. Confirmed by several Supreme Court decisions.

DRIVER. One employed in conducting a coach, carriage, wagon, or other vehicle, with horses, mules, or other animals.


LICENSE: The permission granted by competent authority to exercise a certain privilege that, without such authorization, would constitute an illegal act, a Trespass or a tort. The certificate or the document itself that confers permission to engage in otherwise proscribed conduct.

I'll watch the vids later and get into it more. But in short Hitler was trying to create the perfect race and bring in the New World Order. Eugenics, ethnic cleansing and all are the same idea's most of these nuts running our World today are involved in. Prescott Bush was involved with Hitlers financial backers. Hitler was doing what he was told to do just like Obama. And if you want to look at some similarities compare his life with Obama's. Frightening actually.

The New World order

by Adolf Hitler

http://hitlersdiaries.com/HitlersDia...ilosophy2.html

Mayabong, being a Nazi Sympathizer on a board full of Jews is insane.

YOU are the one who is brainwashed.

Here comes the name calling without anything countering my point. Typical reaction thanks for proving my point.

I'm not a nazi sympathizer or a jewish sympathizer, I am more of a historian. I have no emotional attachment to what happened 80 years go, which can have an advantage when piecing together the puzzle known as history.

I do not care if I hurt peoples feelings by asking questions.

Thanks I'll read that never knew it existed

As far as ethnic cleansing I've see absolutely no proof. Yes there were camps, people died . America also had camps.

There were jewish nazi's black nazi's indian nazi's.

Most kids are already being taught in school that bin laden wanted to wipe out america which totally isn't true.

Fear Mongering will not help...

Maybe they aren't railroading you... it's possible their is no hidden contracts and the courts are basically ignoring you.

So if we didn't have the Fed Reserve, what would replace it and how? Would you stop all funding of all programs and projects then? Because that's not a solution... it is to some problems, but not a solution. I understand what taxes are, it's a forced cycle of the money that has to happen for the corporation to keep operating - but the key is the cycle of money.

You're correct saying we are part of the system, but none of us are slaves... stop running away and ignoring the benefits of a system - built for you. Maybe instead of learning how it could be abused based on interpretation, you could learn how it can be used to benefit you. It is a two way door.


If you want to ride a bike, walk, take public transportation or hitch a ride "ie travel" a Drivers License isn't required. If you want to operate a motor vehicle of various types on public paid roads you will, much like you will need to register you car and yourself with the DMV Corporation to do so. Evil men in a dark room didn't create this, we did.

Btw, to operate a motor vehicle without a drivers license isn't a corporate policy, it's a law.

comparing Japanese inturnment camps to death camps:warning 12 million dead! The proof is there, if you truly care to look.

There is. They can't allow these things to be brought into the court.. I've had a judge state I was in "breach of contract" because there is was no injured party.. I've asked for the contract that I'm in breach of and they are ignoring the request.. You're wasting your time trying to argue this I've spent years dissecting the scheme. I know how the system came into existence and I knew before getting the judge to say it.


Going out for a drink.. No time to discuss alternatives tonight..

I'm not running anywhere. There are no benefits of the system.. None. It wasn't built for me.. I was built for a select few for control purposes and to rob a pillage everyone else. I will not leave my kids in the middle of a fascist control grid. Would you prefer that do like them and come up with a scheme so I can steal money from you or spend it figuring out how it's being stolen from us all??



Legalese.. "Motor vehicle" "registration" all a part of the scheme.. I've discussed this all here before.. As I said there are several Supreme Court decisions which back up exactly what I said.. I'll post them later I'm going out.. Drivers licenses were originally created to tax trucks doing business on the roadways and tearing them up.. They turned everyone into corporate entities doing business on the roadways.. Once again, I've spent years researching this stuff. Telling me the sky is red doesn't work.

So based off a judge saying you're in breach of contract over nobody being hurt? That now means your birth cert, driver lic, etc have hidden contracts in them?

You have a stupid judge that's ignoring you... if not, he's still a stupid judge.


I'm greatly interested in a system that can operate outside the World Banks and Corporations around the Globe and still keep our Country and Economy moving.


If you're part of the system, then it means you can use it too.

The benefits of the system are all around you.... to see what it's like without these benefits visit 2nd and 3rd world countries. Drive around, use the roads, get on a plane, drink the water. Swim in a river and let the water drip into your mouth. Go up and smack a cop, get tossed in jail/prison for a few nights. When it's all over, come back and tell me about how bad our big'ol mean system of rules and control are and how they keep you down.


You say a scheme, it's a way to cycle money back through the system. From road contractors/repairs, researchers, safety stuff, new roads and I'm sure up to the banks and the reserve. The money has to stay moving, which is the reason for "for the scheme."

Let me toss ya a thought... If everyone is a Corporation, which allows you to own Corporations. And a Corporation can't hold a public office, and we're all Corporations. Then either those people in office aren't Corporations (even the mayor) through magic or they're Natural Persons holding that position.

The door does swing both ways, it is an equal system that you can tap into in so many different ways.

Very good conversation guys, glad to see something going so far without people being at eachothers throats.

All you are doing is confirming my beliefs.. You obviously know what the fuck I'm talking about and if you're depending on it you're likely dependent on the system.. Allows me to own a corporation? Who said I need permission? And who the fuck is giving me permission? I don't need anyone's permission to do anything.. Including marriage.. Go fuck yourself with permissions.

No he confirmed just 1 thing.. He couldn't ignore me and he's not stupid. He almost leaped off the bench because of how I called him out. Now they do their best to keep me from speaking in the courtroom..:1orglaugh:1orglaugh It's fun I have to admit.. Love watching schemers squirm like the little snakes in the grass they are.. In fact I thrive on it.

Again, this does not mean have hidden contracts in your driver lic or birth cert.

We have similar beliefs and understandings of the system.... the big difference between us is you see the bad and I see the good. I understand everything has a balance.

The word permission doesn't appear any place in my text, I never said anyone gives you permission.

Owning a Corporation is a privilege that can be taken away in any Country in the world. What they can't take away is your right to do Business.

It sounds like court is moving on with or without your request.... it really sounds he ignored you and just proceeded on.

Birth certificate is a bond..


LICENSE: The permission granted by competent authority to exercise a certain privilege that, without such authorization, would constitute an illegal act, a Trespass or a tort. The certificate or the document itself that confers permission to engage in otherwise proscribed conduct.



I'll somewhat agree on that one.. Except you need a license to do business.

LICENSE: The permission granted by competent authority to exercise a certain privilege that, without such authorization, would constitute an illegal act, a Trespass or a tort. The certificate or the document itself that confers permission to engage in otherwise proscribed conduct.

BTW how come an attorney doesn't have a license?


They are ignoring my motions and even the the guy stamping said motions tried to not accept them until I threatened him with obstruction. I don't give a fuck if they ignore me. I'm going to sue every single fucking one of them in a civil lawsuit when it's all over. And every one of "we" and "us" I come in contact with is getting sued until the "system" is changed.

There's my benefit. If you want me to play that game then you'll pay me to do so.. Eventually it will become too costly and the "system" will have to be changed..

brown shoots!

It's a record...


Well, you answered your own question "Who said I need permission?" I guess, you did...



I can do business with anyone without a Corporation or License. I may not be able to open a store front or get equal corporate benefits, but you can sell lawn mowers you fix without a Lic, for example.



Do you mean a drivers licenses and/or business license? Yes, of course they have them...


Good luck with trying to save us all, I hope you do. The court has the power to just ignore and do as they want, he puts his hammer down - it's done - you're playing in the system - no around it. Don't forget you're simply cycling money back into the system that funds them - it's never ending for them.

"Complete freedom of the highways is so old and well established a blessing that we have forgotten the days of the Robber Barons and toll roads, and yet, under an act like this, arbitrarily administered, the highways may be completely monopolized, if, through lack of interest, the people submit, then they may look to see the most sacred of their liberties taken from them one by one, by more or less rapid encroachment."
Robertson vs. Department of Public Works, 180 Wash 133, 147.




"Personal liberty, or the Right to enjoyment of life and liberty, is one of the fundamental or natural Rights, which has been protected by its inclusion as a guarantee in the various constitutions, which is not derived from, or dependent on, the U.S. Constitution, which may not be submitted to a vote and may not depend on the outcome of an election. It is one of the most sacred and valuable Rights, as sacred as the Right to private property ... and is regarded as inalienable."

16 C.J.S., Constitutional Law, Sect.202, p.987




"Personal liberty largely consists of the Right of locomotion -- to go where and when one pleases -- only so far restrained as the Rights of others may make it necessary for the welfare of all other citizens. The Right of the Citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, by horsedrawn carriage, wagon, or automobile, is not a mere privilege which may be permitted or prohibited at will, but the common Right which he has under his Right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Under this Constitutional guarantee one may, therefore, under normal conditions, travel at his inclination along the public highways or in public places, and while conducting himself in an orderly and decent manner, neither interfering with nor disturbing another's Rights, he will be protected, not only in his person, but in his safe conduct."

II Am.Jur. (1st) Constitutional Law, Sect.329, p.1135



"Personal liberty -- consists of the power of locomotion, of changing situations, of removing one's person to whatever place one's inclination may direct, without imprisonment or restraint unless by due process of law."

Bovier's Law Dictionary, 1914 ed., Black's Law Dictionary, 5th ed.;
Blackstone's Commentary 134; Hare, Constitution__Pg. 777




"...We are of the opinion that there is a clear distinction in this particular between an individual and a corporation, and that the latter has no right to refuse to submit its books and papers for examination on the suit of the State. The individual may stand upon his Constitutional Rights as a Citizen. He is entitled to carry on his private business in his own way. His power to contract is unlimited. He owes no duty to the State or to his neighbors to divulge his business, or to open his doors to investigation, so far as it may tend to incriminate him. He owes no such duty to the State, since he receives nothing therefrom, beyond the protection of his life, liberty, and property. His Rights are such as the law of the land long antecedent to the organization of the state, and can only be taken from him by due process of law, and in accordance with the Constitution. Among his Rights are the refusal to incriminate himself, and the immunity of himself and his property from arrest or seizure except under warrant of law. He owes nothing to the public so long as he does not trespass upon their rights.

"Upon the other hand, the corporation is a creature of the state. It is presumed to be incorporated for the benefit of the public. It receives certain special privileges and franchises, and holds them subject to the laws of the state and the limitations of its charter. Its rights to act as a corporation are only preserved to it so long as it obeys the laws of its creation. There is a reserved right in the legislature to investigate its contracts and find out whether it has exceeded its powers. It would be a strange anomaly to hold that the State, having chartered a corporation to make use of certain franchises, could not in exercise of its sovereignty inquire how those franchises had been employed, and whether they had been abused, and demand the production of corporate books and papers for that purpose."

Hale vs. Hinkel, 201 US 43, 74-75



"...Based upon the fundamental ground that the sovereign state has the plenary control of the streets and highways in the exercise of its police power (see police power, infra.), may absolutely prohibit the use of the streets as a place for the prosecution of a private business for gain. They all recognize the fundamental distinction between the ordinary Right of the Citizen to use the streets in the usual way and the use of the streets as a place of business or a main instrumentality of business for private gain. The former is a common Right, the latter is an extraordinary use. As to the former, the legislative power is confined to regulation, as to the latter, it is plenary and extends even to absolute prohibition. Since the use of the streets by a common carrier in the prosecution of its business as such is not a right but a mere license of privilege."

Hadfield vs. Lundin, 98 Wash 516




"The claim and exercise of a constitutional Right cannot be converted into a crime."

Miller vs. U.S., 230 F. 486, 489




"The use of the highways for the purpose of travel and transportation is not a mere privilege, but a common and fundamental Right of which the public and the individual cannot be rightfully deprived."

Chicago Motor Coach vs. Chicago, 169 NE 22;
Ligare vs. Chicago, 28 NE 934;
Boon vs. Clark, 214 SSW 607;
25 Am.Jur. (1st) Highways Sect.163



"The Right of the Citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, either by horse drawn carriage or by automobile, is not a mere privilege which a city can prohibit or permit at will, but a common Right which he has under the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

Thompson vs. Smith, 154 SE 579




"... For while a Citizen has the Right to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, that Right does not extend to the use of the highways, either in whole or in part, as a place for private gain. For the latter purpose, no person has a vested right to use the highways of the state, but is a privilege or a license which the legislature may grant or withhold at its discretion."

State vs. Johnson, 243 P. 1073;
Cummins vs. Homes, 155 P. 171;
Packard vs. Banton, 44 S.Ct. 256;
Hadfield vs. Lundin, 98 Wash 516



"Heretofore the court has held, and we think correctly, that while a Citizen has the Right to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, that Right does not extend to the use of the highways, either in whole or in part, as a place of business for private gain."

Willis vs. Buck, 263 P. l 982;
Barney vs. Board of Railroad Commissioners, 17 P.2d 82




"The right of the citizen to travel upon the highway and to transport his property thereon, in the ordinary course of life and business, differs radically and obviously from that of one who makes the highway his place of business for private gain in the running of a stagecoach or omnibus."

State vs. City of Spokane, 186 P. 864




"the right of the Citizen to travel upon the highway and to transport his property thereon in the ordinary course of life and business, differs radically and obviously from that of one who makes the highway his place of business and uses it for private gain in the running of a stagecoach or omnibus. The former is the usual and ordinary right of the Citizen, a right common to all, while the latter is special, unusual, and extraordinary."

Ex Parte Dickey, (Dickey vs. Davis), 85 SE 781

Okay...

Okay... did it happen? Are the roads monopolized nor or toll roads, not sure - it all seems about the same, other than they need to fix the damn things here.


I agree?




So I was correct, it doesn't say you can Operate a Motor Vehicle... it says you can travel upon them, which you still can today, you just can't be the driver.



Sounds logical...


That's the magic, see it does have it's benefits. You can sell whatever you want to whoever, conduct your business... you don't need a lic for it.


A corporation is part of the system, it's just the a right, ie: a priviliage...


Exactly... lots of good stuff up above, that's for sure.

"The right of the Citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, in the ordinary course of life and business, is a common right which he has under the right to enjoy life and liberty, to acquire and possess property, and to pursue happiness and safety. It includes the right, in so doing, to use the ordinary and usual conveyances of the day, and under the existing modes of travel, includes the right to drive a horse drawn carriage or wagon thereon or to operate an automobile thereon, for the usual and ordinary purpose of life and business."

Thompson vs. Smith, supra.;
Teche Lines vs. Danforth, Miss., 12 S.2d 784




"Personal liberty -- or the right to enjoyment of life and liberty -- is one of the fundamental or natural rights, which has been protected by its inclusion as a guarantee in the various constitutions, which is not derived from nor dependent on the U.S. Constitution. ... It is one of the most sacred and valuable rights [remember the words of Justice Tolman, supra.] as sacred as the right to private property ... and is regarded as inalienable."

16 C.J.S. Const. Law, Sect.202, Pg. 987




"First, it is well established law that the highways of the state are public property, and their primary and preferred use is for private purposes, and that their use for purposes of gain is special and extraordinary which, generally at least, the legislature may prohibit or condition as it sees fit."

Stephenson vs. Rinford, 287 US 251;
Pachard vs Banton, 264 US 140, and cases cited;
Frost and F. Trucking Co. vs. Railroad Commission, 271 US 592;
Railroad commission vs. Inter-City Forwarding Co., 57 SW.2d 290;
Parlett Cooperative vs. Tidewater Lines, 164 A. 313


"When the public highways are made the place of business the state has a right to regulate their use in the interest of safety and convenience of the public as well as the preservation of the highways."

Thompson vs. Smith


"We know of no inherent right in one to use the highways for commercial purposes. The highways are primarily for the use of the public, and in the interest of the public, the state may prohibit or regulate ... the use of the highways for gain."

Robertson vs. Dept. of Public Works,

"The word `automobile' connotes a pleasure vehicle designed for the transportation of persons on highways."

American Mutual Liability Ins. Co., vs. Chaput, 60 A.2d 118, 120; 95 NH 200



"A motor vehicle or automobile for hire is a motor vehicle, other than an automobile stage, used for the transportation of persons for which remuneration is received."

International Motor Transit Co. vs. Seattle, 251 P. 120


Title 18 USC 31:

"Motor vehicle" means every description or other contrivance propelled or drawn by mechanical power and used for commercial purposes on the highways in the transportation of passengers, or passengers and property.

"Used for commercial purposes" means the carriage of persons or property for any fare, fee, rate, charge or other considerations, or directly or indirectly in connection with any business, or other undertaking intended for profit.