Yes, in my opinion it is very pathetic

Personally I don't think America cares about Israel as much as it cares about Israel's money (banks, campaign contributions, arms sales, etc.). It is that wealth that is the driver of the policy. As long as Israel is wealthy (and has something to give the US) and Palestinians are poor the status quo will remain. The fact that very few other democratic free countries align themselves so closely with them automatically makes this not pass the sniff test in my opinion. I think most non-Jewish Americans would just as soon see America remove itself from the whole damn thing.

That would work for a while, but then there would be some "terrorist" attack from idaho and before you know it they'd be invading idaho. Thats how they roll.

Israel's money? That IS America's money!

Always just post facts

http://wrmea.org/component/content/a...4-billion.html

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

So given that......... what is the solution to the problem? If moving the Jews out of Israel will not work then what do you propose?

It goes further back than oil... it's a religious potato, too.

symbiotic....

however, symbiotes rarely intervene in other species lives, at least not as symbiotes...

no, I'd say as of late, Israel's more of a parasite :2 cents:

Religion and oil - two of the world's biggest mistakes. :Oh crap

Another ship heading towards Gaza this afternoon.

Let's see how it goes this time...

accidentally sunk................ oops, we so sorry:helpme

it's kinda hard to use the self defense excuse when your victims are basically sealed in a prison, also very hard to continually use the same excuse over and over as you murder hundreds of elderly , women and children.

Normal self defense is like when someone tries to kill you and you kill them back.

For israel self defense is often " we killed that entire room full of babies because there was a bad guy with a slingshot in his back pocket sitting behind the building. "

40/60 poll results so far - still pretty close.

We loan Israel 3 billion every year. Israeli money :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Yeah this pool may have too much generalizations, many Jews are ok so we should specify it's not a about Jews in general but about Israel government and country.

My answer...

It cuts both ways, doesn't it...



https://youtube.com/watch?v=9ZOmxCjlG1s

Charles Krauthammer
Friday, June 4, 2010
The world is outraged at Israel's blockade of Gaza. Turkey denounces its illegality, inhumanity, barbarity, etc. The usual U.N. suspects, Third World and European, join in. The Obama administration dithers.

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But as Leslie Gelb, former president of the Council on Foreign Relations, writes, the blockade is not just perfectly rational, it is perfectly legal. Gaza under Hamas is a self-declared enemy of Israel -- a declaration backed up by more than 4,000 rockets fired at Israeli civilian territory. Yet having pledged itself to unceasing belligerency, Hamas claims victimhood when Israel imposes a blockade to prevent Hamas from arming itself with still more rockets.

In World War II, with full international legality, the United States blockaded Germany and Japan. And during the October 1962 missile crisis, we blockaded ("quarantined") Cuba. Arms-bearing Russian ships headed to Cuba turned back because the Soviets knew that the U.S. Navy would either board them or sink them. Yet Israel is accused of international criminality for doing precisely what John Kennedy did: impose a naval blockade to prevent a hostile state from acquiring lethal weaponry.

Oh, but weren't the Gaza-bound ships on a mission of humanitarian relief? No. Otherwise they would have accepted Israel's offer to bring their supplies to an Israeli port, be inspected for military materiel and have the rest trucked by Israel into Gaza -- as every week 10,000 tons of food, medicine and other humanitarian supplies are sent by Israel to Gaza.



Why was the offer refused? Because, as organizer Greta Berlin admitted, the flotilla was not about humanitarian relief but about breaking the blockade, i.e., ending Israel's inspection regime, which would mean unlimited shipping into Gaza and thus the unlimited arming of Hamas.

Israel has already twice intercepted ships laden with Iranian arms destined for Hezbollah and Gaza. What country would allow that?

But even more important, why did Israel even have to resort to blockade? Because, blockade is Israel's fallback as the world systematically de-legitimizes its traditional ways of defending itself -- forward and active defense.

(1) Forward defense: As a small, densely populated country surrounded by hostile states, Israel had, for its first half-century, adopted forward defense -- fighting wars on enemy territory (such as the Sinai and Golan Heights) rather than its own.

Where possible (Sinai, for example) Israel has traded territory for peace. But where peace offers were refused, Israel retained the territory as a protective buffer zone. Thus Israel retained a small strip of southern Lebanon to protect the villages of northern Israel. And it took many losses in Gaza, rather than expose Israeli border towns to Palestinian terror attacks. It is for the same reason America wages a grinding war in Afghanistan: You fight them there, so you don't have to fight them here.

But under overwhelming outside pressure, Israel gave it up. The Israelis were told the occupations were not just illegal but at the root of the anti-Israel insurgencies -- and therefore withdrawal, by removing the cause, would bring peace.

Land for peace. Remember? Well, during the past decade, Israel gave the land -- evacuating South Lebanon in 2000 and Gaza in 2005. What did it get? An intensification of belligerency, heavy militarization of the enemy side, multiple kidnappings, cross-border attacks and, from Gaza, years of unrelenting rocket attack.

(2) Active defense: Israel then had to switch to active defense -- military action to disrupt, dismantle and defeat (to borrow President Obama's description of our campaign against the Taliban and al-Qaeda) the newly armed terrorist mini-states established in southern Lebanon and Gaza after Israel withdrew.

The result? The Lebanon war of 2006 and Gaza operation of 2008-09. They were met with yet another avalanche of opprobrium and calumny by the same international community that had demanded the land-for-peace Israeli withdrawals in the first place. Worse, the U.N. Goldstone report, which essentially criminalized Israel's defensive operation in Gaza while whitewashing the casus belli -- the preceding and unprovoked Hamas rocket war -- effectively de-legitimized any active Israeli defense against its self-declared terror enemies.

(3) Passive defense: Without forward or active defense, Israel is left with but the most passive and benign of all defenses -- a blockade to simply prevent enemy rearmament. Yet, as we speak, this too is headed for international de-legitimation. Even the United States is now moving toward having it abolished.

But, if none of these is permissible, what's left?

Ah, but that's the point. It's the point understood by the blockade-busting flotilla of useful idiots and terror sympathizers, by the Turkish front organization that funded it, by the automatic anti-Israel Third World chorus at the United Nations, and by the supine Europeans who've had quite enough of the Jewish problem.

What's left? Nothing. The whole point of this relentless international campaign is to deprive Israel of any legitimate form of self-defense. Why, just last week, the Obama administration joined the jackals, and reversed four decades of U.S. practice, by signing onto a consensus document that singles out Israel's possession of nuclear weapons -- thus de-legitimizing Israel's very last line of defense: deterrence.

The world is tired of these troublesome Jews, 6 million -- that number again -- hard by the Mediterranean, refusing every invitation to national suicide. For which they are relentlessly demonized, ghettoized and constrained from defending themselves, even as the more committed anti-Zionists -- Iranian in particular -- openly prepare a more final solution.

Israel always defending themself, even when they're bulldozing houses and putting people in refugee camps. Its a great tactic I have to say, but the world is seeing the truth now so it really doesn't hold water anymore.

It's just so bizarre how much Israel oppresses the Palestinians.

Their hatred of Arabs reminds me a little of Nazi Germany. Talk about hypocrisy!

"A council of rabbis in Israel says their nation's conflict with Turkey over a flotilla of "aid" ships headed for the blockaded Gaza Strip controlled by the terrorist Hamas organization just may be the beginning of the "Gog and Magog process where the world is against us, but which ends with the third and final redemption."

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=162069


I guess the final redemption will be Israel setting off a nuke..

when I read this stuff I cant tell who is more insane, the christians, the jews, or the muslims LOL

This shit is monumentally insane and anyone who believes this shit is on par with suicide bombers:

just strap on a suicide bomber jacket already and get it over with you sick motherfuckers

psycho.

As long as its centered in the middle east I'm cool.

US sends money to Egypts and Jordan as well.

There is always someone. Politics.
You must know it well. In fact, USSR (Stalin) was the major ally of Israel, first several years. Later.., Americans offered more (bidding system). Israel became pro american.

The Sinai War (October 1956) US took pro Egiptian position (anti israeli) in war with Israel.

In the world of realpolitik it's all about interests and not friends. US has interests.

Israel is the one of top 6 developers of advnaced military equipments.

Chinese, Russian (etc) markets are huge, and Israel estimates its annually loses for about 7 billion dollars, just bc Israel suppots US.

Who supports who?
I both countries share interests.
Again, there's nothing free in realpolitik.

I think the controlled media and brainwashed population that will fight wars for israel is more valuable than 7 billion dollars.

There are lots of clever guys in Israel ;)

No shit! If we could break off all fucking ties with Israel for a mere "loss" of $7 billion a year I'm in!

By the way, between the US govt and US donations we are giving Israel well over that now anyway. Who do you think funded technology in a pissant country in the middle of fucking nowhere, with no exportable resources, to begin with?

How many Israelis have dual citizenship with the US?....

That is a joke right?

A Conservative Estimate of Total Direct U.S. Aid to Israel: Almost $114 Billion

Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. aid since World War II (not counting the huge sums being spent in Iraq). The $3 billion or so per year that Israel receives from the U.S. amounts to about $500 per Israeli.

http://wrmea.org/component/content/a...4-billion.html

If Jews control media, so Muslims control streets.
Here in EU, I see just crowds of muslims on the streets, last 3 days. No Jews. (there are actually no Jews in Europe after all)

Media supports streets. You missed something, blind man.
Every fuckin' politician wants control over media.
It's always controlled by someone, isn't it?

If Jews (minory) can do it, so my Bravo! Why not? Good work.
I'm sure, Muslim majority wants control over it, as well. What's the problem? Try it.

btw, not that much.., especially for a period of 65 years. Not much at all.

want to be really informed?

Israeli parliament demanded Israeli government to stop this aid threaty with US in exchange for opening trade with China and Russia.

Chineses and Russians interested in Israeli advanced millitary equipments and technology.
Tens of Agreements with China canceled under the US pressure.

Another naive looser?
Bc there is a simple rule in politics and every professional politician follows it: Politics focused on considerations of power, not ideals, morals, or principles.

No fuckin' friends, jews, arabs - just interests. OK?
All the rest is for you, pure man.

It's so fuckin' simple.
I would love to see you, to give you my special humiliation lesson :) It's not anal, don't be scared ;)

I'll give you another lesson, pure man.

A country of about 7 million ppl with GDP $220,000,000,000
$30,000 per capita (PPP)
Not that bad at all for so small country.
It has reserves of over $60 billion

Some EU countries, of about the same size, owes $350 billions (mostly to other countries).
It's about $45,000 per average (!) citizen.
Now, You just said, it's $500 of "aid" per Israeli, right? :) As a payment for supporting US.

That's not all.
Over 50% of that aid goes back to US :) according to the agreement.

God bless your brains, clown! Amin :)

You said so much and nothing.

1. Jews donate. Not you, right? Don't donate. Who cares...
2. Israel has 2 very good trade exits: Red Sea (Asia, US, Australia), Mediterranean Sea (EU, US). Not far from EU, just about 40 min.
3. Europe is the main trade partner of Israel. Not US (!)
4. Many Isralis has EU citizenship. The majority Russian citizenship.
5. Israel exports technology, to US, but mainly to Europe and Asia
6. Israel has huge natural gas reserves. enough for 50+ years.
7. Israel is the global leader in green car industry. Installing 500,000 sockets across Israel (7 million ppl)

This shows how smart you are.

The state of Israel is far from wealthy same with the citizens of it. There's no doubt it receives enormous financial support from the states, but the majority of it goes to the military.

Why aren't there more vote options? Like "Fuck Religions"?

i think israel is better than china....

+1.
Great Question.

What an Israeli thinks about Israel, in today's Newsweek...

http://www.newsweek.com/2010/06/05/lost-tribe.html

Helen Thomas gives her opinion, and is now labeled an anti-Semitic bigot.

“Helen Thomas, who I used to consider a close friend and who I used to respect, has showed herself to be an anti-Semitic bigot,” said Davis. “This is not about her disagreement about her criticisms of Israel. She has a right to criticize Israel and that is not the same as being an anti-Semite.”

Story here...

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...DTueMGr&hpt=T3

Israel is pure evil. i used to think otherwise until i got on the net and did some reading of my own.

it is truly amazing how the north american media is so censored by the jews it is not even funny.

they stick to themselves and only care about helping their own kind no matter what the costs. that is their choice but i choose not to support them.

hitler in WW2 wanted to get rid of the jews because they were choking out the average german citizen through their own version of economic terrorism. i do not agree with what he did but this is what started it. (i am against violence in general)

all the problems in the middle east can be traced back to israel. and they truly do own america. but americans seem to be blinded for some reason. keep sending your proxy army and youth to fight the jews war, same thing goes with canada and britain. it is a shame really.

Uh-oh, I think I know the next poster who is about to be labeled an ant-Semitic bigot!

Just kidding - sort of - let's see...

frankly i do not care what i get labeled as. that is why i love being me. i do not rely on anyone for anything. so i can and will speak my mind. :)

same thing in Ukraine my grandparents would say how the jews would suffocate everyone via their control of the economy.

they have an elitist mentality and i think truly believe they are the chosen people.

why do you think jews are supposed to only marry jews? any other type of people do not fit their elitist mold.

the lies that you hear about the middle east via the jew run media should be criminal.

Another person who tells the truth. I get reamed on here for saying shit like that haha.

you saw this? This bitch unmasked herself
https://youtube.com/watch?v=RQcQd...layer_embedded


she still has a job ... not for long....
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_601565.html

Helen Thomas should have chosen a better way to retire, but why did you quote my rhetorical question... as far as I know she is an independent journalist, not a politician.

and she goes out with a bang !

She has officially resigned today...

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Media...ry?id=10847378

Good for her, based on her video I assume this Lebanese beauty possibly also suffers from Alzheimer's ................

Israel is ALWAYS the one to start the attacks. 100% of the time if there hasn't been violence in 9 days or more and 96% of the time when there hasn't been violence in a week or more.

(http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nancy-..._b_155611.html)