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BFT3K 06-02-2010 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX (Post 17200554)
In the end though, Israel's policy will be its own ending. Look at how they have isolated themselves from the world. They will be at war for the rest of their existence.... there will be no peace there...

I agree with you on this.

Fletch XXX 06-02-2010 06:38 AM

i chopped it, i really dont want to get into some israel debate lol that piece of the earth is cursed by jesus himself and will be blood shed every day until both sides are done.

Sausage 06-02-2010 06:39 AM

Israel defends its borders, defends itself, is usually not the one to start the attacks and just responds ... yet anytime they do anything in self defence the whole world attacks them. The arab monkeys have become experts in media manipulation, much like this group of boats which were being sent to provoke. Hell Israel and Egypt both offered for them to dock in their ports and let the stuff be cleared then sent into Gaza, but no they wanted to cause as much trouble as possible.

Screw those towel head monkeys ... Israel should have wiped them off the map already.

chupachups 06-02-2010 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17198940)
They make nice guns.

Yeah and their female commando soldiers are sexy as hell :glugglug

brassmonkey 06-02-2010 06:43 AM

no comment

Fletch XXX 06-02-2010 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Sausage (Post 17200573)
e arab monkeys

Screw those towel head monkeys ... Israel should have wiped them off the map already.

lol see thats what im talking about ^ "israel are the nice guys, dont blame them"

followed by "lets wipe the monkeys off the earth"

lol never ending war is all there will be.

Jman 06-02-2010 06:45 AM

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Sausage 06-02-2010 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX (Post 17200596)
lol see thats what im talking about ^ "we are the nice guys, dont blame us"

followed by "lets wipe the monkeys off the earth"

lol never ending war is all you guys will have.

Probably mate. Personally if they werent trying to 'destroy' me and my way of life I would be happy to have them just left alone. But they dance in the streets with joy whenever westerners are killed. Either they will be wiped out or we will .. I don't think the 2 cultures can ever live together because one is single mindedly bent on the destruction of the other.

Fletch XXX 06-02-2010 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Sausage (Post 17200606)
one is single mindedly bent on the destruction of the other.

they both want to see each other wiped off map. LOL

they both hate each other and it will never end, its like Kyle and Cartman, :1orglaugh

Mutt 06-02-2010 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by roly (Post 17200102)
america would have much better relations with the middle east if it took a more even handed approach with the israeli/palestine problem.

having israel as such a close ally even if they're a secular democracy, hasn't prevented any problems for the US in the middle east, its just made things much worse.

its in the US interests for there not to be democracy in places like saudi arabia. do you think the a governement voted for by the people of saudi would be more western friendly? that's why the corrupt saudi royal family was put in power by the west.

the Israeli/Palestinian problem means nothing to the rest of the Middle Eastern countries - it's a canard. they don't care about the Palestinians, the Palestinians have been the wandering sadsacks of the Arab world for centuries - nobody wanted them, and nobody wanted the land called Palestine - no oil, no fresh water, just dirt - what the Israelis have done over 60 years is beyond incredible for such a small population. The Arabs like that the problem exists, because it makes Israel look like bullies and any negative world opinion about Israel makes them happy.

I understand that the US has been forced to pick the lesser of two evils when they support the Saudi royal family and the likes of Saddam Hussein at times.

The Middle East is hopeless. Long after we're all gone the same shit will be happening there.

spazlabz 06-02-2010 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 17199709)
Pathetic, isn't it?

Yes, in my opinion it is very pathetic

Rico Shades 06-02-2010 07:22 AM

Personally I don't think America cares about Israel as much as it cares about Israel's money (banks, campaign contributions, arms sales, etc.). It is that wealth that is the driver of the policy. As long as Israel is wealthy (and has something to give the US) and Palestinians are poor the status quo will remain. The fact that very few other democratic free countries align themselves so closely with them automatically makes this not pass the sniff test in my opinion. I think most non-Jewish Americans would just as soon see America remove itself from the whole damn thing.

mayabong 06-02-2010 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Minte (Post 17199364)
I think the US should slice off a small piece of Montana and let them all move there. The world would be a safer place.

That would work for a while, but then there would be some "terrorist" attack from idaho and before you know it they'd be invading idaho. Thats how they roll.

BFT3K 06-02-2010 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Rico Shades (Post 17200703)
Personally I don't think America cares about Israel as much as it cares about Israel's money....

Israel's money? That IS America's money!

Fletch XXX 06-02-2010 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 17200873)
Israel's money? That IS America's money!

Always just post facts

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A Conservative Estimate of Total Direct U.S. Aid to Israel: Almost $114 Billion

Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. aid since World War II (not counting the huge sums being spent in Iraq). The $3 billion or so per year that Israel receives from the U.S. amounts to about $500 per Israeli.
http://wrmea.org/component/content/a...4-billion.html

Rico Shades 06-02-2010 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 17200873)
Israel's money? That IS America's money!

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

cykoe6 06-02-2010 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by mayabong (Post 17200809)
That would work for a while, but then there would be some "terrorist" attack from idaho and before you know it they'd be invading idaho. Thats how they roll.

So given that......... what is the solution to the problem? If moving the Jews out of Israel will not work then what do you propose?

wig 06-02-2010 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 17200551)
oil - if there wasn't oil in the Middle East we'd ignore it completely as would every other country in the world.

It goes further back than oil... it's a religious potato, too.

borked 06-02-2010 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Brujah (Post 17199853)
It's a mutually beneficial relationship, with each side needing the other.

symbiotic....

however, symbiotes rarely intervene in other species lives, at least not as symbiotes...

no, I'd say as of late, Israel's more of a parasite :2 cents:

BFT3K 06-02-2010 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by wig (Post 17202917)
It goes further back than oil... it's a religious potato, too.

Religion and oil - two of the world's biggest mistakes. :Oh crap

BFT3K 06-04-2010 06:46 AM

Another ship heading towards Gaza this afternoon.

Let's see how it goes this time...

JFK 06-04-2010 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 17211052)
Another ship heading towards Gaza this afternoon.

Let's see how it goes this time...

accidentally sunk................ oops, we so sorry:helpme

SmokeyTheBear 06-04-2010 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Sausage (Post 17200573)
Israel defends its borders, defends itself, is usually not the one to start the attacks and just responds ... yet anytime they do anything in self defence the whole world attacks them. .

it's kinda hard to use the self defense excuse when your victims are basically sealed in a prison, also very hard to continually use the same excuse over and over as you murder hundreds of elderly , women and children.

Normal self defense is like when someone tries to kill you and you kill them back.

For israel self defense is often " we killed that entire room full of babies because there was a bad guy with a slingshot in his back pocket sitting behind the building. "

BFT3K 06-04-2010 09:10 AM

40/60 poll results so far - still pretty close.

Fbomb - BANNED FOR LIFE 06-04-2010 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Rico Shades (Post 17200703)
Personally I don't think America cares about Israel as much as it cares about Israel's money (banks, campaign contributions, arms sales, etc.). It is that wealth that is the driver of the policy. As long as Israel is wealthy (and has something to give the US) and Palestinians are poor the status quo will remain. The fact that very few other democratic free countries align themselves so closely with them automatically makes this not pass the sniff test in my opinion. I think most non-Jewish Americans would just as soon see America remove itself from the whole damn thing.


We loan Israel 3 billion every year. Israeli money :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Cyber Fucker 06-04-2010 09:25 AM

Yeah this pool may have too much generalizations, many Jews are ok so we should specify it's not a about Jews in general but about Israel government and country.

MoreMagic 06-04-2010 09:26 AM

My answer...


BFT3K 06-04-2010 09:37 AM

It cuts both ways, doesn't it...



https://youtube.com/watch?v=9ZOmxCjlG1s

howard 06-04-2010 09:46 AM

Charles Krauthammer
Friday, June 4, 2010
The world is outraged at Israel's blockade of Gaza. Turkey denounces its illegality, inhumanity, barbarity, etc. The usual U.N. suspects, Third World and European, join in. The Obama administration dithers.

THIS STORY
Krauthammer: Those troublesome Jews
Nudging Israel toward a Gaza fix
Cairo's unmet promise
But as Leslie Gelb, former president of the Council on Foreign Relations, writes, the blockade is not just perfectly rational, it is perfectly legal. Gaza under Hamas is a self-declared enemy of Israel -- a declaration backed up by more than 4,000 rockets fired at Israeli civilian territory. Yet having pledged itself to unceasing belligerency, Hamas claims victimhood when Israel imposes a blockade to prevent Hamas from arming itself with still more rockets.

In World War II, with full international legality, the United States blockaded Germany and Japan. And during the October 1962 missile crisis, we blockaded ("quarantined") Cuba. Arms-bearing Russian ships headed to Cuba turned back because the Soviets knew that the U.S. Navy would either board them or sink them. Yet Israel is accused of international criminality for doing precisely what John Kennedy did: impose a naval blockade to prevent a hostile state from acquiring lethal weaponry.

Oh, but weren't the Gaza-bound ships on a mission of humanitarian relief? No. Otherwise they would have accepted Israel's offer to bring their supplies to an Israeli port, be inspected for military materiel and have the rest trucked by Israel into Gaza -- as every week 10,000 tons of food, medicine and other humanitarian supplies are sent by Israel to Gaza.



Why was the offer refused? Because, as organizer Greta Berlin admitted, the flotilla was not about humanitarian relief but about breaking the blockade, i.e., ending Israel's inspection regime, which would mean unlimited shipping into Gaza and thus the unlimited arming of Hamas.

Israel has already twice intercepted ships laden with Iranian arms destined for Hezbollah and Gaza. What country would allow that?

But even more important, why did Israel even have to resort to blockade? Because, blockade is Israel's fallback as the world systematically de-legitimizes its traditional ways of defending itself -- forward and active defense.

(1) Forward defense: As a small, densely populated country surrounded by hostile states, Israel had, for its first half-century, adopted forward defense -- fighting wars on enemy territory (such as the Sinai and Golan Heights) rather than its own.

Where possible (Sinai, for example) Israel has traded territory for peace. But where peace offers were refused, Israel retained the territory as a protective buffer zone. Thus Israel retained a small strip of southern Lebanon to protect the villages of northern Israel. And it took many losses in Gaza, rather than expose Israeli border towns to Palestinian terror attacks. It is for the same reason America wages a grinding war in Afghanistan: You fight them there, so you don't have to fight them here.

But under overwhelming outside pressure, Israel gave it up. The Israelis were told the occupations were not just illegal but at the root of the anti-Israel insurgencies -- and therefore withdrawal, by removing the cause, would bring peace.

Land for peace. Remember? Well, during the past decade, Israel gave the land -- evacuating South Lebanon in 2000 and Gaza in 2005. What did it get? An intensification of belligerency, heavy militarization of the enemy side, multiple kidnappings, cross-border attacks and, from Gaza, years of unrelenting rocket attack.

(2) Active defense: Israel then had to switch to active defense -- military action to disrupt, dismantle and defeat (to borrow President Obama's description of our campaign against the Taliban and al-Qaeda) the newly armed terrorist mini-states established in southern Lebanon and Gaza after Israel withdrew.

The result? The Lebanon war of 2006 and Gaza operation of 2008-09. They were met with yet another avalanche of opprobrium and calumny by the same international community that had demanded the land-for-peace Israeli withdrawals in the first place. Worse, the U.N. Goldstone report, which essentially criminalized Israel's defensive operation in Gaza while whitewashing the casus belli -- the preceding and unprovoked Hamas rocket war -- effectively de-legitimized any active Israeli defense against its self-declared terror enemies.

(3) Passive defense: Without forward or active defense, Israel is left with but the most passive and benign of all defenses -- a blockade to simply prevent enemy rearmament. Yet, as we speak, this too is headed for international de-legitimation. Even the United States is now moving toward having it abolished.

But, if none of these is permissible, what's left?

Ah, but that's the point. It's the point understood by the blockade-busting flotilla of useful idiots and terror sympathizers, by the Turkish front organization that funded it, by the automatic anti-Israel Third World chorus at the United Nations, and by the supine Europeans who've had quite enough of the Jewish problem.

What's left? Nothing. The whole point of this relentless international campaign is to deprive Israel of any legitimate form of self-defense. Why, just last week, the Obama administration joined the jackals, and reversed four decades of U.S. practice, by signing onto a consensus document that singles out Israel's possession of nuclear weapons -- thus de-legitimizing Israel's very last line of defense: deterrence.

The world is tired of these troublesome Jews, 6 million -- that number again -- hard by the Mediterranean, refusing every invitation to national suicide. For which they are relentlessly demonized, ghettoized and constrained from defending themselves, even as the more committed anti-Zionists -- Iranian in particular -- openly prepare a more final solution.

mayabong 06-04-2010 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by howard (Post 17211920)
Charles Krauthammer
Friday, June 4, 2010
The world is outraged at Israel's blockade of Gaza. Turkey denounces its illegality, inhumanity, barbarity, etc. The usual U.N. suspects, Third World and European, join in. The Obama administration dithers.

THIS STORY
Krauthammer: Those troublesome Jews
Nudging Israel toward a Gaza fix
Cairo's unmet promise
But as Leslie Gelb, former president of the Council on Foreign Relations, writes, the blockade is not just perfectly rational, it is perfectly legal. Gaza under Hamas is a self-declared enemy of Israel -- a declaration backed up by more than 4,000 rockets fired at Israeli civilian territory. Yet having pledged itself to unceasing belligerency, Hamas claims victimhood when Israel imposes a blockade to prevent Hamas from arming itself with still more rockets.

In World War II, with full international legality, the United States blockaded Germany and Japan. And during the October 1962 missile crisis, we blockaded ("quarantined") Cuba. Arms-bearing Russian ships headed to Cuba turned back because the Soviets knew that the U.S. Navy would either board them or sink them. Yet Israel is accused of international criminality for doing precisely what John Kennedy did: impose a naval blockade to prevent a hostile state from acquiring lethal weaponry.

Oh, but weren't the Gaza-bound ships on a mission of humanitarian relief? No. Otherwise they would have accepted Israel's offer to bring their supplies to an Israeli port, be inspected for military materiel and have the rest trucked by Israel into Gaza -- as every week 10,000 tons of food, medicine and other humanitarian supplies are sent by Israel to Gaza.



Why was the offer refused? Because, as organizer Greta Berlin admitted, the flotilla was not about humanitarian relief but about breaking the blockade, i.e., ending Israel's inspection regime, which would mean unlimited shipping into Gaza and thus the unlimited arming of Hamas.

Israel has already twice intercepted ships laden with Iranian arms destined for Hezbollah and Gaza. What country would allow that?

But even more important, why did Israel even have to resort to blockade? Because, blockade is Israel's fallback as the world systematically de-legitimizes its traditional ways of defending itself -- forward and active defense.

(1) Forward defense: As a small, densely populated country surrounded by hostile states, Israel had, for its first half-century, adopted forward defense -- fighting wars on enemy territory (such as the Sinai and Golan Heights) rather than its own.

Where possible (Sinai, for example) Israel has traded territory for peace. But where peace offers were refused, Israel retained the territory as a protective buffer zone. Thus Israel retained a small strip of southern Lebanon to protect the villages of northern Israel. And it took many losses in Gaza, rather than expose Israeli border towns to Palestinian terror attacks. It is for the same reason America wages a grinding war in Afghanistan: You fight them there, so you don't have to fight them here.

But under overwhelming outside pressure, Israel gave it up. The Israelis were told the occupations were not just illegal but at the root of the anti-Israel insurgencies -- and therefore withdrawal, by removing the cause, would bring peace.

Land for peace. Remember? Well, during the past decade, Israel gave the land -- evacuating South Lebanon in 2000 and Gaza in 2005. What did it get? An intensification of belligerency, heavy militarization of the enemy side, multiple kidnappings, cross-border attacks and, from Gaza, years of unrelenting rocket attack.

(2) Active defense: Israel then had to switch to active defense -- military action to disrupt, dismantle and defeat (to borrow President Obama's description of our campaign against the Taliban and al-Qaeda) the newly armed terrorist mini-states established in southern Lebanon and Gaza after Israel withdrew.

The result? The Lebanon war of 2006 and Gaza operation of 2008-09. They were met with yet another avalanche of opprobrium and calumny by the same international community that had demanded the land-for-peace Israeli withdrawals in the first place. Worse, the U.N. Goldstone report, which essentially criminalized Israel's defensive operation in Gaza while whitewashing the casus belli -- the preceding and unprovoked Hamas rocket war -- effectively de-legitimized any active Israeli defense against its self-declared terror enemies.

(3) Passive defense: Without forward or active defense, Israel is left with but the most passive and benign of all defenses -- a blockade to simply prevent enemy rearmament. Yet, as we speak, this too is headed for international de-legitimation. Even the United States is now moving toward having it abolished.

But, if none of these is permissible, what's left?

Ah, but that's the point. It's the point understood by the blockade-busting flotilla of useful idiots and terror sympathizers, by the Turkish front organization that funded it, by the automatic anti-Israel Third World chorus at the United Nations, and by the supine Europeans who've had quite enough of the Jewish problem.

What's left? Nothing. The whole point of this relentless international campaign is to deprive Israel of any legitimate form of self-defense. Why, just last week, the Obama administration joined the jackals, and reversed four decades of U.S. practice, by signing onto a consensus document that singles out Israel's possession of nuclear weapons -- thus de-legitimizing Israel's very last line of defense: deterrence.

The world is tired of these troublesome Jews, 6 million -- that number again -- hard by the Mediterranean, refusing every invitation to national suicide. For which they are relentlessly demonized, ghettoized and constrained from defending themselves, even as the more committed anti-Zionists -- Iranian in particular -- openly prepare a more final solution.

Israel always defending themself, even when they're bulldozing houses and putting people in refugee camps. Its a great tactic I have to say, but the world is seeing the truth now so it really doesn't hold water anymore.

BFT3K 06-04-2010 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by mayabong (Post 17212231)
Israel always defending themself, even when they're bulldozing houses and putting people in refugee camps. Its a great tactic I have to say, but the world is seeing the truth now so it really doesn't hold water anymore.

It's just so bizarre how much Israel oppresses the Palestinians.

Their hatred of Arabs reminds me a little of Nazi Germany. Talk about hypocrisy!

onwebcam 06-04-2010 12:29 PM

"A council of rabbis in Israel says their nation's conflict with Turkey over a flotilla of "aid" ships headed for the blockaded Gaza Strip controlled by the terrorist Hamas organization just may be the beginning of the "Gog and Magog process where the world is against us, but which ends with the third and final redemption."

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=162069


I guess the final redemption will be Israel setting off a nuke..

Fletch XXX 06-04-2010 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 17212714)
"A council of rabbis in Israel says their nation's conflict with Turkey over a flotilla of "aid" ships headed for the blockaded Gaza Strip controlled by the terrorist Hamas organization just may be the beginning of the "Gog and Magog process where the world is against us, but which ends with the third and final redemption."

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=162069


I guess the final redemption will be Israel setting off a nuke..

when I read this stuff I cant tell who is more insane, the christians, the jews, or the muslims LOL

This shit is monumentally insane and anyone who believes this shit is on par with suicide bombers:

Quote:

"Gog and Magog process where the world is against us, but which ends with the third and final redemption."

The announcement comes today from the Rabbinical Council of Judea and Samaria, whose statement was reported by Israel National News.

WND columnist Greg Laurie just months ago explained the biblical reference to Gog and Magog, in the book of Ezekiel, as a prophecy that a "large force," will attack Israel from the north.


"the legitimacy of our people is not derived from the nations of the world and their poisonous traditions, rather from the Torah of Israel which teaches us that [Israel] 'is a people that shall dwell alone, and shall not be reckoned among the nations.'"
just strap on a suicide bomber jacket already and get it over with you sick motherfuckers

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"Events predicted in the Bible that have already transpired include Israel's scattering; Israel's regathering; Israel's regaining of Jerusalem; Israel's isolation; and Israel's being attacked. The Bible tells us that the final conflict of humanity will be centered on Jerusalem and the Middle East," he said.
psycho.

mayabong 06-04-2010 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 17212714)
"A council of rabbis in Israel says their nation's conflict with Turkey over a flotilla of "aid" ships headed for the blockaded Gaza Strip controlled by the terrorist Hamas organization just may be the beginning of the "Gog and Magog process where the world is against us, but which ends with the third and final redemption."

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=162069


I guess the final redemption will be Israel setting off a nuke..

As long as its centered in the middle east I'm cool.

DOX 06-04-2010 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 17199714)
What do I really think about Israel? In spite of my thread where I'm defending their recent actions (because I think legally they are in the right), I chose "fuck Israel".

The United States has been standing up to Israel since day one, and it's not always on the right side. Of course, this doesn't mention they've intentionally attacked a US ship and destroyed it.

Then factor in... Israel wouldn't have a leg to stand on if the US wasn't propping them up. How much money does the United States send to Israel on a year basis?

US sends money to Egypts and Jordan as well.

There is always someone. Politics.
You must know it well. In fact, USSR (Stalin) was the major ally of Israel, first several years. Later.., Americans offered more (bidding system). Israel became pro american.

The Sinai War (October 1956) US took pro Egiptian position (anti israeli) in war with Israel.

In the world of realpolitik it's all about interests and not friends. US has interests.

DOX 06-04-2010 03:40 PM

Israel is the one of top 6 developers of advnaced military equipments.

Chinese, Russian (etc) markets are huge, and Israel estimates its annually loses for about 7 billion dollars, just bc Israel suppots US.

Who supports who?
I both countries share interests.
Again, there's nothing free in realpolitik.

mayabong 06-04-2010 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DOX (Post 17213684)
Israel is the one of top 6 developers of advnaced military equipments.

Chinese, Russian (etc) markets are huge, and Israel estimates its annually loses for about 7 billion dollars, just bc Israel suppots US.

Who supports who?
I both countries share interests.
Again, there's nothing free in realpolitik.

I think the controlled media and brainwashed population that will fight wars for israel is more valuable than 7 billion dollars.

Yahook 06-04-2010 03:56 PM

There are lots of clever guys in Israel ;)

BFT3K 06-04-2010 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by mayabong (Post 17213712)
I think the controlled media and brainwashed population that will fight wars for israel is more valuable than 7 billion dollars.

No shit! If we could break off all fucking ties with Israel for a mere "loss" of $7 billion a year I'm in!

By the way, between the US govt and US donations we are giving Israel well over that now anyway. Who do you think funded technology in a pissant country in the middle of fucking nowhere, with no exportable resources, to begin with?

How many Israelis have dual citizenship with the US?....

Fletch XXX 06-04-2010 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DOX (Post 17213684)
Israel suppots US.

Who supports who?
.

That is a joke right?

A Conservative Estimate of Total Direct U.S. Aid to Israel: Almost $114 Billion

Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. aid since World War II (not counting the huge sums being spent in Iraq). The $3 billion or so per year that Israel receives from the U.S. amounts to about $500 per Israeli.

http://wrmea.org/component/content/a...4-billion.html


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