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Caligari 06-04-2010 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX (Post 17211237)
you have stolen celeb content sites in your sig, i dont think you even understand this discussion LOL :1orglaugh

dismissed.

Really? show proof that these celeb sites have stolen content, with evidence that these sites have done what you are charging. You have made a serious statement which you need to back up with proof.

Paul Markham 06-04-2010 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by spazlabz (Post 17211130)
The only real impact that I see this ruling having long term is to force those that use stolen/unlicensed copyrighted content to move their stuff to countries that do not give two squirts of piss about the legality of them

Does the country the business reside in have something to do with it?

But I see what you're getting at. That's why the Internet needs policing in some way that sites that are illegal in a country, then the country itself can ban them. If you can't sell it legally on the streets why should you be able to sell it illegally on the Net?

ottopottomouse 06-04-2010 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX (Post 17211211)
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Google said it is still negotiating with PRS but in the meantime, premium videos from artists on EMI, Universal, Warner and Sony BMG and some indie labels have started to disappear for UK viewers and will be systematically removed over the next few days. YouTube's has separate deals with the major labels who control the sound recording rights but PRS controls licencing for the music and lyrics, without which live or pre-recorded songs cannot be performed.

For quite a while now I have regularly got a message like this video is unavailable in your country for certain youtube things.

candyflip 06-04-2010 08:11 AM


Tom_PM 06-04-2010 08:12 AM

"Illustrative purposes" is a legal reason to use a piece of copyrighted material fairly. Such as quoting from a news article and also linking to the source.

I would say that it will more impact youtube itself who is a collection of catagorized links, than boards and people who link to the link list, per se.

I guess it could be rationed out to the nth degree and include everyone everywhere who links to anything which itself links to...... and so forth.

From the OP: "If the index is organized, like categories, submissions and with instructions where and how to find files, the operators must also ensure it's not unauthorized before it's published. Otherwise they commit the copyright infringement too."

Amputate Your Head 06-04-2010 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX (Post 17211114)
dont forget those awesome things called message forums you guys like so much, the "not hosted here" infringement includes that argument LOL

pot meet kettle, every single day people post links to youtube vids etc that are copyright infringement but oh noes you guys are above that stuff. Every day people link clips/sliced scenes from hollywood movies on gfy etc, no different than porn users sharing vids. LOLs

Just to help balance this a bit.... not all youtube vids fall into this category of course. Many are created for the public, many are created privately by individuals. For example, the video I linked in here yesterday of the forecast model of the ocean currents and oil travel. They have use conditions posted right along side all of the forecast model videos. They want that video to get out to the world.

But yeah, for the most part I agree. I don't post movie clips or music videos for this very reason.

Nautilus 06-04-2010 08:26 AM

Netherlands is now the home of some of the best anty piracy precedents - first they had landmark mininova decision, and then this.

Tnaflix, empflix, empornium, puretna are some of the worst offenders and they're based in Netherlands, ripe for a lawsuite and huge fines. Any one there willing to try?

The whole GFY/YT clips arguement is ridiculous. If YT is finally forced to go 100% legal, only those clips approved by rightholders will remain and get posted at GFY from that moment on - until that we have to guess what we post here from YT is fair use, not really having a chance to know for sure (clip can be both infringing or approved by rightholder with equal probability given the current state of things). But even if it is an infringement it is so minor compared to what's going on at real piracy forums it's not even funny.

And when they're forced to go 100% legal, none here except maybe for several idiots is going to complain that not all of the clips that were previously available can be posted at GFY now.

Barefootsies 06-04-2010 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 17211195)
Hypocritical or not, youtube does not allow porn

Define "porn" sire.
:2 cents:

czarina 06-04-2010 08:40 AM

nice outcome. I hope they do something similar in the US

Barefootsies 06-04-2010 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by czarina (Post 17211418)
nice outcome. I hope they do something similar in the US

That would be dreamy tootsie. But I think you will need to cross your toes on that one.

kristin 06-04-2010 08:51 AM

Dang, seems like the Euros aren't putting up with this shit anymore.

ottopottomouse 06-04-2010 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 17211397)
Define "porn" sire.
:2 cents:

My cousin calls the magazine Country Life 'property porn' :1orglaugh

Agent 488 06-04-2010 09:02 AM


Fletch XXX 06-04-2010 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Caligari (Post 17211272)
Really? show proof that these celeb sites have stolen content, with evidence that these sites have done what you are charging. You have made a serious statement which you need to back up with proof.

lol i wont even get into this

One need only look at header graphics to find images that infringe copyright, this is precisely what I am referring to when I say pot meet kettle, you guys act like you are above copyright infringement then turn around and do it yourself LOL Im sure Lady Gaga and britney licensed their images for a porn site LOL

Look i dont care what you guys steal, link, opr share, but everytime these threads come up its the same shit, a bunch of guys playing holier than thou meanwhile flying celeb sites in sigs LOL

laaaaame.

Fletch XXX 06-04-2010 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17211308)
Just to help balance this a bit.... not all youtube vids fall into this category of course. Many are created for the public, many are created privately by individuals. For example, the video I linked in here yesterday of the forecast model of the ocean currents and oil travel. They have use conditions posted right along side all of the forecast model videos. They want that video to get out to the world.

But yeah, for the most part I agree. I don't post movie clips or music videos for this very reason.

i dont care if you linked every single illegal music vid on youtube bro, i just like poking these puritans.

Amputate Your Head 06-04-2010 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX (Post 17211634)
i dont care if you linked every single illegal music vid on youtube bro, i just like poking these puritans.

Oh, I wasn't trying to defend myself... was trying to suggest that people take a minute to check if a vid has third-party use guidelines, rather than just grabbing whatever they feel like. I didn't do a very good job of suggesting though... lol

dyna mo 06-04-2010 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17211646)
Oh, I wasn't trying to defend myself... was trying to suggest that people take a minute to check if a vid has third-party use guidelines, rather than just grabbing whatever they feel like. I didn't do a very good job of suggesting though... lol

he's just fucking with you, he's posted youtube music videos here prior and as recent as a month or so ago, was giving the thumbs up to use youtube "vid to mp3" encoder as long as you don't get caught.

too funnay! :1orglaugh

ottopottomouse 06-04-2010 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17211646)
Oh, I wasn't trying to defend myself... was trying to suggest that people take a minute to check if a vid has third-party use guidelines, rather than just grabbing whatever they feel like. I didn't do a very good job of suggesting though... lol

I'm now going to sound like a broken record with a similar post to another one I just made :upsidedow

I've had quite a lot of music videos appear on a forum but when you click it there is a link that says you must go and watch it on youtube.

Fletch XXX 06-04-2010 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17211646)
Oh, I wasn't trying to defend myself... was trying to suggest that people take a minute to check if a vid has third-party use guidelines, rather than just grabbing whatever they feel like. I didn't do a very good job of suggesting though... lol

hehe just stirring debate man i link vids every day on gfy which is why i dont pick up the torch with the witch burners. I am no crusader, I can see the hypocrisy a mile away and just like poking the bees nest.

dyna mo 06-04-2010 09:21 AM

told ya!

Dirty Dane 06-04-2010 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by spazlabz (Post 17211130)
The only real impact that I see this ruling having long term is to force those that use stolen/unlicensed copyrighted content to move their stuff to countries that do not give two squirts of piss about the legality of them

I'm not sure about ACTA and all the details but I imagine something similar like the three-strikes = out model will be introduced on domains/IP delegation as well.


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