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jimmy-3-way 06-04-2010 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17213126)
Well muh man.... it's a case of 'you can't have it all'. Everyone wants the illegals thrown out, but then they also want a nice kush job that pays them at least something they can brag about... I don't know, what's the baseline salary these days that is brag worthy? $75k? Except that is in direct conflict with the (any) corporation's prime agenda, which is to cut costs and maximize profits. So the corp does what it was created to do and moves their operation to where the cheap labor is.

If you can't bring them to the mountain, bring the fucking mountain to them.

And we all lose. Rinse and repeat.

Damn, bro, you are on a roll this week. Is that liberal SF air getting to you?

Deej 06-04-2010 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Coup (Post 17213239)
Hi! Welcome to America. Where, ultimately, the only fucking thing that matters is money. :)

enjoy your stay

pipe it fidel...

Atticus 06-04-2010 02:05 PM

I'm so sick of the liberal attitude towards this issue and racial profiling this, racial profilng that. They are breaking the law. They were busted. Done, move on to the Toys R Us down the street and repeat.

I'm also sick of the Republican corporate bullshit. The store in question should be shut down or fined a huge amount.

It's pretty simple really. The call is coming from inside the house. Make it such a huge fine/penalty for hiring an illegal immigrant that it's not worth the benefits of cheaper labor. Risk versus reward. If the employee in question used false docs then its identity theft/felony and put them away. If the businesses werent hiring illegals and the $$ source dried up they wouldnt be coming over the border looking for work.

And on a side topic, instead of creating a third political party based on nut jobs and fringe movements how about one grounded in moderate common sense. No liberal huggy feely handouts and no conservative god told us to do it rape of poor people. That party would win in a landslide.

Coup 06-04-2010 02:08 PM

Immigration will never be reformed in the manner proto-fascists like brassmonkey would like. Cheap unskilled labor is essential to the economy. As long as Brad and Susie ain't gonna pick grapes and clean toilets then you're gonna be putting up with Jose` for quite some time.

Enjoy

kristin 06-04-2010 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17213209)
I understand. I lived in Phoenix for 4 years.

But what about all the actual certified card-carrying Americans that are in there too, doing the exact same thing because, surprise! They don't have any insurance because it costs too much or don't feel like paying for it? I actually had someone in my house, during a conversation, tell me that "yeah... sure the hospital is free. You just go. I'm not paying for that." This person was also a typical registered white republican. Not a "wing-nut" fringe right or anything.

The hypocrisy of it all is as sickening to me as the oil leak.

Oh I hate lazy, white people just as much. Those mooching off the system when they can work - they can get the fuck out too.

I have this one prime example of an ex-employee from here. He still hasn't gotten another job cause he wants to live off the system. Will go to school for the rest of his life cause he found out you can collect unemployment as long as you are enrolled in school.

Get off your ass and get a damn job!

Atticus 06-04-2010 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Coup (Post 17213252)
Immigration will never be reformed in the manner proto-fascists like brassmonkey would like. Cheap unskilled labor is essential to the economy. As long as Brad and Susie ain't gonna pick grapes and clean toilets then you're gonna be putting up with Jose` for quite some time.

Enjoy

Brad and Susie would pick grapes and clean toilets. They just arent retards and realize that cleaning a toilet is worth more than minimum wage. Once you remove the illegal immigration from the equation the less than desireable jobs (like cleaning up shit) become a lot more desirable due to the higher wages paid to do them.

Take the trash collector position. Here in Vegas Republic Services pays good $$ for their employees and people line up to do it. By your reasoning since illegal immigrants are not hired to do this job and it's beneath Brad and Suzie our trash would be sitting on the sidewalk and stinking up all of Vegas. But surprise surprise, they pay a good wage and its picked up like clock work twice a week.

Fbomb - BANNED FOR LIFE 06-04-2010 02:17 PM

I want Joe to after idiots that don't report their income and don't pay taxes like most of us do.
I think they should audit all those design studios that get paid in e-currency and don't claim it on their income tax forms.

Amputate Your Head 06-04-2010 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Coup (Post 17213252)
Immigration will never be reformed in the manner proto-fascists like brassmonkey would like. Cheap unskilled labor is essential to the economy. As long as Brad and Susie ain't gonna pick grapes and clean toilets then you're gonna be putting up with Jose` for quite some time.

Enjoy

Manuel comes and cuts my grass every Tuesday. I don't have to pay him and really, never even have to see him. It's all taken care of by the corporation in charge of the property. And Julia, her mother, sometimes her grandmother, and sister clean my house twice a month while my absurd 4x4 (I almost never drive) sits in the driveway next to my boat and RV because it's too modified to even fit in the garage out of sight.
I pay the neighbor kid to walk my dogs while I watch my 80" HD tv. I take the vehicles to the car wash where they are detailed to pristine condition by no less than 8 hispanics while I simultaneously text three people on an iPhone and grind on an obscene spectacle of psuedo-food from Carl's Jr. and completely ignore every other living person occupying "my space" for an hour. We're taking a trip to Bed, Bath & Beyond and Target this weekend to spend hundreds of dollars on more poorly made garbage we don't need. We'll probably celebrate with an over-priced dinner.... .

Give me what I want, right fucking now, and anything that needs taking care of, just fucking fix it. I don't care how.

That... is America.

brassmonkey 06-04-2010 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Fbomb (Post 17213295)
I want Joe to after idiots that don't report their income and don't pay taxes like most of us do.
I think they should audit all those design studios that get paid in e-currency and don't claim it on their income tax forms.

i didnt know you were an I.R.S. employee.

Amputate Your Head 06-04-2010 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jimmy-3-way (Post 17213242)
Damn, bro, you are on a roll this week. Is that liberal SF air getting to you?

LOL, I think I'm just 'in the zone' this week... :1orglaugh
could be the GDP :smokin

heymatty 06-04-2010 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by kristin (Post 17213170)
You come wait in a hospital for eight hours, then tell me how you feel about the illegals. Our hospitals are so overrun here with illegals because they come here and live here illegally and have NO PREVENTIVE CARE. So they get sick, then sicker, and finally end up in the ER, costing the state tons with no chances of them ever paying it back.

But you are still waiting to be seen with your health insurance card and co-pay ready.

That is not the case at all here in Scottsdale. Don't really see any waits on anything medical.

Last summer we had the bad luck to visit Cedar Sinai ER during the flu outbreak. Now that was a big wait time, not sure how many of the people waiting were legal or illegal.

Deej 06-04-2010 02:39 PM

Jesus, the gran daddy is getting around lately...

I see it everywhere...

Amputate Your Head 06-04-2010 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Deej (Post 17213419)
Jesus, the gran daddy is getting around lately...

I see it everywhere...

wish it would come down a bit. but then, i'm kind of remote..

brassmonkey 06-04-2010 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by heymatty (Post 17213362)
That is not the case at all here in Scottsdale. Don't really see any waits on anything medical.

Last summer we had the bad luck to visit Cedar Sinai ER during the flu outbreak. Now that was a big wait time, not sure how many of the people waiting were legal or illegal.

thats a racist area thats why.

kristin 06-04-2010 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by heymatty (Post 17213362)
That is not the case at all here in Scottsdale. Don't really see any waits on anything medical.

Last summer we had the bad luck to visit Cedar Sinai ER during the flu outbreak. Now that was a big wait time, not sure how many of the people waiting were legal or illegal.

Sure in Scottsdale - but it's the case in Phoenix, Glendale, etc.

And of course, here in Tucson since we are so much closer to the border.

Coup 06-04-2010 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Atticus (Post 17213285)
Brad and Susie would pick grapes and clean toilets. They just arent retards and realize that cleaning a toilet is worth more than minimum wage. Once you remove the illegal immigration from the equation the less than desireable jobs (like cleaning up shit) become a lot more desirable due to the higher wages paid to do them.

Take the trash collector position. Here in Vegas Republic Services pays good $$ for their employees and people line up to do it. By your reasoning since illegal immigrants are not hired to do this job and it's beneath Brad and Suzie our trash would be sitting on the sidewalk and stinking up all of Vegas. But surprise surprise, they pay a good wage and its picked up like clock work twice a week.

jobs that pay well attract brad and susie you say?

Fbomb - BANNED FOR LIFE 06-04-2010 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 17213333)
i didnt know you were an I.R.S. employee.

I didn't know you were an immigration employee.

brassmonkey 06-04-2010 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Fbomb (Post 17213591)
I didn't know you were an immigration employee.

dude you dont have the right to look at my finances. :1orglaugh i have the right to vote and support reform. :)

Deej 06-04-2010 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17213428)
wish it would come down a bit. but then, i'm kind of remote..

Been favoring the diesel lately, myself...

baddog 06-04-2010 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 17213230)
thats one thing obama said he would do. punish american companies that move out of the united states. :helpme

I'd be shivering in my boots.

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Originally Posted by Atticus (Post 17213246)
And on a side topic, instead of creating a third political party based on nut jobs and fringe movements how about one grounded in moderate common sense. No liberal huggy feely handouts and no conservative god told us to do it rape of poor people. That party would win in a landslide.

As someone said in another thread, ah, to dream.

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Originally Posted by Atticus (Post 17213285)
Brad and Susie would pick grapes and clean toilets. They just arent retards and realize that cleaning a toilet is worth more than minimum wage. Once you remove the illegal immigration from the equation the less than desireable jobs (like cleaning up shit) become a lot more desirable due to the higher wages paid to do them.

Take the trash collector position. Here in Vegas Republic Services pays good $$ for their employees and people line up to do it. By your reasoning since illegal immigrants are not hired to do this job and it's beneath Brad and Suzie our trash would be sitting on the sidewalk and stinking up all of Vegas. But surprise surprise, they pay a good wage and its picked up like clock work twice a week.

:thumbsup

Amputate Your Head 06-04-2010 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Deej (Post 17213698)
Been favoring the diesel lately, myself...

there's a deal here (might be expired right now, not sure)... you ever tried 'mango'? supposed to be grade 'a'

Amputate Your Head 06-04-2010 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Atticus (Post 17213285)
Brad and Susie would pick grapes and clean toilets. They just arent retards and realize that cleaning a toilet is worth more than minimum wage. Once you remove the illegal immigration from the equation the less than desireable jobs (like cleaning up shit) become a lot more desirable due to the higher wages paid to do them.

Take the trash collector position. Here in Vegas Republic Services pays good $$ for their employees and people line up to do it. By your reasoning since illegal immigrants are not hired to do this job and it's beneath Brad and Suzie our trash would be sitting on the sidewalk and stinking up all of Vegas. But surprise surprise, they pay a good wage and its picked up like clock work twice a week.

Have you ever seen a single apocalyptic movie? What is the first thing that goes right out the window: Sanitation. There is trash and shit everywhere.

Brad and Susie would more likely sacrifice themselves to a hoard of zombies than be subjected to picking up someone else's shit.

On a serious note, take a look at any disaster we have, past, present or future.... sanitation is the first thing that is fucking wrecked. No one wants to pick up shit. I don't care how much you're paying. No one is going to be 'lining up' for that job. Ever.

baddog 06-04-2010 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Deej (Post 17213698)
Been favoring the diesel lately, myself...


Coup 06-04-2010 04:03 PM

Haha check out what those fucking fascists have done now, fuck amerikka

baddog 06-04-2010 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17213724)
No one wants to pick up shit. I don't care how much you're paying. No one is going to be 'lining up' for that job. Ever.

You can not be serious. This must be a troll effort.

Deej 06-04-2010 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 17213732)

True... true...

Amputate Your Head 06-04-2010 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 17213745)
You can not be serious. This must be a troll effort.

You really believe spikey-haired white suburbanite kids on skateboards, or teen girls with fake jewel-encrusted cell phones would "line up" for a shit-shoveling job? Let's say, cleaning the port-a-potties at the local fair. What century are you living in dude?

Any one of us can (and would) literally beg for money on the corner before we did that. And probably make more money, and certainly have a lot less misery.

jjmerago 06-04-2010 04:08 PM

Your country makes me sad.

Atticus 06-04-2010 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17213724)
Have you ever seen a single apocalyptic movie? What is the first thing that goes right out the window: Sanitation. There is trash and shit everywhere.

Brad and Susie would more likely sacrifice themselves to a hoard of zombies than be subjected to picking up someone else's shit.

On a serious note, take a look at any disaster we have, past, present or future.... sanitation is the first thing that is fucking wrecked. No one wants to pick up shit. I don't care how much you're paying. No one is going to be 'lining up' for that job. Ever.


I'm going to assume you're just stirring the pot because you cant be serious. I just gave you a clear example here in Vegas of people who are lining up to "clean up shit". Because they pay a great wage to do so.

Just because no amount of money would make you apply at a garbage company doesnt mean other hard working Americans share your view point.

Amputate Your Head 06-04-2010 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Atticus (Post 17213768)
I'm going to assume you're just stirring the pot because you cant be serious. I just gave you a clear example here in Vegas of people who are lining up to "clean up shit". Because they pay a great wage to do so.

Just because no amount of money would make you apply at a garbage company doesnt mean other hard working Americans share your view point.

Well, it was a good effort. But yeah... they pay enough, I'll pick up shit with my bare hands.

Deej 06-04-2010 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17213758)
You really believe spikey-haired white suburbanite kids on skateboards, or teen girls with fake jewel-encrusted cell phones would "line up" for a shit-shoveling job? Let's say, cleaning the port-a-potties at the local fair. What century are you living in dude?

Any one of us can (and would) literally beg for money on the corner before we did that. And probably make more money, and certainly have a lot less misery.

yes, they do line up to do this shit... because some know no better...

Go back to your 80' HD and 2foot bong :thumbsup

I mean... show me your new shit sucka before i stab you...

Amputate Your Head 06-04-2010 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Deej (Post 17213785)
yes, they do line up to do this shit... because some know no better...

Go back to your 80' HD and 2foot bong :thumbsup

I mean... show me your new shit sucka before i stab you...

yeah... i know. I'm running out of gas. I've been pushing the left pretty hard for the last couple weeks.

jjmerago 06-04-2010 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Deej (Post 17213785)
yes, they do line up to do this shit... because some know no better...

Go back to your 80' HD and 2foot bong :thumbsup

I mean... show me your new shit sucka before i stab you...


Know no better what ... if you throw down at least have a point ... what don't spiked haired white kids from the 'burbs know better? The money and safety and opportunity to do anything with there lives other then clean shit, is that what they don't know?

I'm pretty sure no 'burb kids end up cleaning garbage until they waist the good life they had, the life any poor illegal would want, and trash it with meth and glue sniffing whilst they sit around and complain about mexicans stealing their jobs.

Idiots ...

baddog 06-04-2010 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Deej (Post 17213785)
show me your new shit sucka before i stab you...

Can we take care of some stuff before you get sent to the pen?

Deej 06-04-2010 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jjmerago (Post 17213808)
Know no better what ... if you throw down at least have a point ... what don't spiked haired white kids from the 'burbs know better? The money and safety and opportunity to do anything with there lives other then clean shit, is that what they don't know?

I'm pretty sure no 'burb kids end up cleaning garbage until they waist the good life they had, the life any poor illegal would want, and trash it with meth and glue sniffing whilst they sit around and complain about mexicans stealing their jobs.

Idiots ...

where did I single out any specific kind of person besides the know no better crowd?

jesus...

Others may have said spiked hair n shit but I didnt. So fuck off...

Deej 06-04-2010 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 17213835)
Can we take care of some stuff before you get sent to the pen?

hit me up to discuss...

baddog 06-04-2010 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Deej (Post 17213854)
hit me up to discuss...

will do.

brentbacardi 06-04-2010 05:04 PM

Wazzzzzzup?

Dude that sheriff kicks ass! Do the crime, do the time!

Jon Oso 06-04-2010 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 17213506)
thats a racist area thats why.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I have lived in Scottsdale since 1998, it is affluent but certainly not racist. There are ghetto parts, there are rich parts, there are normal parts but I've never seen one part I'd consider racist. Hell down the street from me in South Scottsdale there's a carneceria (or whatever they're called) and there are a LOT of mexican people in the area.

brassmonkey 06-04-2010 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Jon Oso (Post 17213944)
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I have lived in Scottsdale since 1998, it is affluent but certainly not racist. There are ghetto parts, there are rich parts, there are normal parts but I've never seen one part I'd consider racist. Hell down the street from me in South Scottsdale there's a carneceria (or whatever they're called) and there are a LOT of mexican people in the area.

the south end hispanics yes, im not going to go into details.


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