was that Donny Long?

what a dumb ass

So where is this cliff they speak of? Looks like a mound of dirt.

The news vs my idea of graphic footage are not the same thing.

It looks like they were trying to spin it as him collapsing from the taser and falling off, when its obvious he jumped. Typical liberal media bullshit.

please....

Who was the last person you've either witnessed or even heard about, have two sets of taser prongs in their back and still have control over a single fucking thing.

I'll tell you. No one.

I would agree with you had they pulled out their guns and shot him in the head while he was attempting to surrender, but that isn't what happened. They tased an armed murderer in an attempt to immobilize him. How can you play the weapon he had down, as if it (or a weapon just like it) didn't already kill someone?

Besides, the guy did have somewhere to run - right off of the cliff, and that is where he went. The video shows it clearly. He scooted himself right off of the cliff as he was being tased. He didn't want to be caught.

How would you have handled this situation if you were LE? Would you have walked right up to him and cuffed him?

I've already said how I would've handled it. (maybe it was a different thread, not sure).

They kept him there for 8 hours. Obviously if the guy really wanted to kill himself, he had all day to do it. Why did the police all the sudden decide to rush this guy... which is what they did... they all rushed up there, then shoot him in the back with two tasers on the edge of a cliff?

Why not simply wait the guy out? He's not going anywhere. And at some point, he's either going to have to eat, shit, or sleep. Are you really telling me that 30-40 cops cannot arrest one fucking guy at the edge of a cliff? They couldn't wait him out, or at least get him away from the edge a little bit and THEN taser the shit out of him?

Seriously, what kind of idiots tase a fucking dude on a cliff's edge?

He is dead... http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/video?id=7480953#global

A great many people simply disagree that waiting out a murderer with a weapon in his hand for even more hours into the darkness of the night and possibly into the next day or beyond was the proper thing to do. At some point when negotiations fail, action has to be taken to end a standoff. It is impractical to have dozens of police officers and equipment standing around on alert for a suspect to hopefully eventually fall asleep. What if it lasted 24 hours or more and this was occuring next to your home or place of business instead of at the edge of a cliff soemwhere? Depending on where the incident is occuring, such a stand off is also potentially dangerous to the community, neighbors and disruptive of the community.

And so there it is. One human life and all of our high & mighty bullshit about our fantastic American "justice" system and our so-called "rights" goes right out the window when time-management and the bottom line are more important.

'It's not practical'. Wow. Who made that call? I'd love to hear what tragic event was unfolding at the same time that required them to move that particular set of equipment and group of police so quickly that they just decided to cut their losses and get it over with.

There was no neighborhood or convenience store in jeopardy there. It was a cliff. I didn't see a lot of pedestrians aimlessly milling about in danger of this guy sprouting wings and coming at them with his sword.

50 tasered porn star samuri.

Every decision in life, business, government and everything else is and must be based at least partly on practicality. Its ludicrous to think that dozens of police officers and cars and ambulances and whatever else should stand by indefinitely while a crazy, sword weielding man decides if or when he might surrender at some point hours or days later when he gets too tired to stand anymore. I don't know what your problem with the police is, but obviously you must have gotten arrested or treated badly by them at some point in your life and this prepesterous argument is one of the results.

saves our tax dollars

These police might not be your common police.

"prepesterous argument"?

Let me just double check to make sure I got this down right.... The police killed an unarmed man (for all intents and purposes when you're up against a whole precinct of police armed with guns & tasers) by forcing him off a cliff after tasering him in the back, twice, and you support that because you think they have better things to do?

this is not, nor will it ever be the first or last time cops taser someone who is on a ledge, cliff, balcony, possibly not all there mentally etc... tasering is supposed to occur when the officer is under attack or threatened, fear of life or death stuff.

Murderer or not, the cops werent in fear of their life at all thats for sure, they tasered him for no real reason, media will just say "he jumped" And thats that.

However, if he killed someone in my family I wouldnt care, but thats not really how the system works. So how the cops handle the situation then becomes discussion, but only amongst civilians, media doesnt care nor do the higher up cops. The bad guy = dead is happy ending.

Whether or not the cops should taser people in these instances, = nothing more than debate amongst the third class.

He will not be missed.

They took too much time, deadly force should have been authorized way before that point.

"What should they have done?"

Already stated. Waited him out. All you needed was 1 officer who was trained at something important.. listening. Engaging. Talking him down.

But it clearly wasn't "worth it". I'm not sure they'd think I was worth it either. How could I know?

They should have hired a rodeo cowboy to lasso his ass and drag him away.

Cops are, generally, lower-educated and blue collar and working class. they tend to be the kind of people who, in High School, got off on beating other kids up. So they go right from HS into "da Force" and pretty much stop developing as human beings and begin punching the clock, hoping for that twenty year pension.

So these lower-intelligence people - cops - got frustrated by standing around for eight hours and did what dumb, uneducated, frustrated people DO when confronted by situations they cannot understand or control: they got violent.

BIG shock.

Horrible situation, all around, from soup to nuts, from samuarai sword to tazer.

on what grounds, he was not a threat to anyone ?

" hi can i get authorization to kill this dude ? "

" what is he doing ? "

" nothing we are just really bored , and it is hot out "

" ok kill him then "

should have taken a lesson from Red Dead Redemtion (been playing it all weekend) and lasso'd the fucker...

You seem to have forgotten he already killed someone and hurt others? Clearly he is a threat to others and himself, clearly he isn't innocent... And if you have a weapon, and you threaten a Cop - they don't really have to ask to use deadly force.

Innocence or guilt is not up to the police to decide.
I've seen that video several times now and I don't remember seeing him even once threaten the police with his prop sword.

Cops aren't here to judge you, that's the courts job. They do take into consideration if you're the correct person or not, in this situation this was the guy, without question.

You watched 30 seconds of a full day event and didn't see him threaten them... technically speaking, it makes no difference who you threaten, even yourself.

Deadly force doesn't always mean you have to kill them. It's about stopping the situation, when nothing else is working. It can be used when a person is running that 'could' cause harm to another person - and this is a prime example of when it should have been used.

What they did was no different or better than the people that "hunt" wild animals in an enclosed fenced-off area. Get your target into a corner, and kill it.

What situation were they stopping?

Of course the difference is the animal isn't holding a sword that also killed and hurt others with the sword.

Maybe a person that will harm others trying to escape, again?

Right. The animal has teeth and claws that will kill a person much more effectively than some stressed out dude literally on the brink.

He was surrounded by 30-40 cops with nowhere to run. Where was he going to go? Are you suggesting that many cops can't contain one guy without him escaping that situation? If that's true, then the police are much more inept than I originally thought.

Exactly... a stressed dude literally on the brink should have been stopped with deadly force. Again, as I said the situation should have been dealt with way before it reached that point.

He wasn't corned when he was running...

I saw a handful of cops attempting to stop someone that was trying to escape down a cliff.

Are you suggesting one of the cops should have jumped and tackled him? Cause that would be a bit nuts... probably why they tried tasers and when those failed they should have shot him... it might have saved his life.

I'm getting conflicting stories here....

on the one hand, some are saying that the police shouldn't be tied up or bothered chasing down and arresting a murder suspect because they have "better things to do" and should just start shooting people to speed things along.

On the other hand, I'm hearing from you now that it was a "handful" of poor helpless policeman.

So, if it was a "handful", (sure looked like more than a "handful" to me)... what was so pressing that they needed to be pulled away in such a hurry that summary execution was the only alternative?

Distraction, confusion, back-patting, misdirection, deceit, and straight up lying. That's how cover-ups work.

See, this is where this becomes identical to the "Dont tase me bro'!" guy! There was hundreds and hundreds of pounds of cop, everywhere. Neither of these boneheads was "going" anywhere but DOWN and everyone knew it.

I dont understand why tasers are even legal to unholster when there is overwhelming police already present. Propose that bill and it'll pass into law.


Seems that after the guy fell, nobody had trouble getting to the bottom. In fact, the ENTIRE thing was filmed from below. It was not hard to get down there and try to prevent another senseless death and rob the victims families of justice.

That's possible, but you're not getting that conflicting story from me.

It was 7 police officers on Video... Clearly by the video he was standing free, not cornered then he started down the cliff and the police engaged him. No distractions, confusions or anything of the such.

They should have used deadly force on him when he was running or when he threatened to kill himself or at the moment when he tried to escape again. All of which would have probably stopped the current situation from happening.

prop sword?:1orglaugh

strange opinions in this thread..

police job to apprehend the suspect, if suspect resist or a become a threat the suspect must be "neutralized (not killed)", this is the job of the police.
no doubt the suspect in this question would have hurt anyone coming near him, he was on a suicide mission and was not going to be talked "out of killing" himself or others..

Hey Doc, calm down. Here's a fucking suggestion for the police:
How about shooting the fucker in the LEG? How about shooting him with a dart like they do wild animals to make them go to sleep?

(The lasso idea wouldn't work cause he'd chop his way out with the sword.)

Sorry Doc but I'm with AmputateyourHead on this one. The cops had HOURS to think this thing through, to try alternative methods of stopping/capturing this dude. All they did is what I posted above; in frustration do what small-minded people ALWAYS do: resort to the simplest, most cowardly form of violence available.

No defending these cops. But then again, I live in NYC and am used to many people defending the Police no matter WHAT they do and justifying it by saying "I felt threatened so BLAM!"