Unless you have only played a few sessions what you're claiming is mathematically impossible. Even at a 2% advantage over the house (which is improbable, closer to 1%) means that if you flipped a coin 100 times you would win 52 out of 48 of those times. Its the same as saying you know people that are 300 years old.

ok lets do the math even on the low end 1(times per month)x12(months)x8(years) = 96 times played.

so you are 96-0 in blackjack.

1 more question:

did you eat a bowl of shit for breakfast because you are full of it.

You're telling me that if the dealer is showing a 6, seat 1 has a 14, I have a 13 and the guy next to me has a 15 and seat 1 hits taking the dealers bust card, me and seat 3 stay (right thing to do) and the dealer draws a 5 then that doesn't effect my outcome?

Just asking. Maybe I don't understand how other people playing like fucking idiots doesn't effect my hand.

Yes, I claim basic strategy and I stay on 16s, after playing a LOT of hard 16 hands and it seems I ALWAYS bust no matter what. It's not an emotion it's just how it is. I always double soft 15.

Learn this: http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bjbse.php

:2 cents:

If I thought it was worth my time I would challenge ANY of you to a blackjack game with you being the house. But, like the comedians on the Comedy Channel say.

You can't fix STUPID.

On that particular hand it effects the outcome, but odds are not determined by one hand, they are based on averages of thousands of hands. The next time with your scenario the dealer draws a completely different card.

Keep in mind that there are different ways to play IMHO in regards to the rules as others have said. Although not everyone agrees on this, or some ONLY PLAY on a SHOE.

When I play on an automatic shuffler, I will stand on a hard 16. If I am playing at a SHOE then I will hit that same 16. This is also taking into account 4 decks versus 6. Where I will also play single deck differently to some degree.

My thoughts exactly.

Since you know everything, instead of telling everyone they're wrong why don't you explain WHY.

All you're doing is saying "Pay $35 for my book and you'll see what I'm saying."

That'd be like someone asking for directions and then being asked to pay for them after being told how GREAT the directions are.

Problem is, your book is probably like all the "Make your penis 5 feet longer and cum skittles and rainbows!" ads out there. Sounds awesome and the pictures look convincing, but are complete and utter garbage.

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I just want someone to post proof and correct me. I'm man enough I can admit when I'm totally fucking wrong but no one has given examples (to me at least) of how I'm wrong.

What really funny to me is. I played maybe 50-100 times. During the time I knew Bill he played 1000's of times. He played for around 40 years. Yes, at first, and he will admit it, he lost and won back and forth. But as he honed his knowledge of the game and saw the stupid things people were doing he created a super method of playing. He was on the road but had a wife and 5 kids at home. Every week I was associated with him he mailed several 1000 dollars home to them for his retirement and their welfare. I personally never saw Bill leave a table a loser. And I watched him during 100's and 100's of sessions. He just never lost. That's why I had him teach me what to do, when to hit, when to stay, when to split, when to double, etc etc.

Nothing, and I mean absolutely NOTHING, any other player does affects how you play. It is solely YOU against the house whether there is 3 players or 7 players. Your hand is totally independent and has no relevance to other players hitting or not hitting.

The deck, or shoe, is independent to each player.

You want an example of why you should not stay on a 16 always? :error

of course the amount of people and where you are at the table matters. Yes, how they play effects you.

Betting methods dont effect different people the same. You cant judge methods. You can judge players.

That answers your original post

Yea, I know a guy too that everytime he put a quarter in a slot machine he won the jackpot.....everytime over a period of 50 years. Did I mention I'm selling his book showing his foolproof method for only $29.95?

You use a hit counter for your unit sales total?

"Total books shipped as of Sunday June 06, 2010 63,150. Why not join the winners circle now?"

:1orglaugh

No they dont and no you cant. You're flat out wrong. Its not an opinion, its not a theory. IT'S MATH! The only thing that affects the outcome of the game is how YOU play. If you play basic strategy the house has roughly a 2% edge. If you count cards it turns the egde to the player (1.5% roughly).

Actually, no. It does not.

Yes, but if they play correctly or incorrectly does not matter at all. You are affected equally regardless of the talent of the players on the table with you.

Say, what?

My method involves the use of forest spirits and gypsy tears and you have to buy my book to learn it! DON'T JUDGE ME! :1orglaugh

Agreed.

To funny, never trust someone that says 'I have no reason to lie'. :1orglaugh

Yes, in your first example, it does affect your outcome. But player 1 just as easily could have pulled a 5 and then the dealer pulled the bust card. It's an avg over time. People just get emotional over the loss and remember the time player 1 took the bust card. They conveniently forget when the newb stayed on 15 against a dealer face and pulled a 6. Then the dealer turns over a 5 and the next card out is a face. The point is people playing like fucking idiots affects your outcome both positively and negatively.

And basic strategy is not staying on 16's or always doubling soft 15's. By altering the math with these two scenarios your negatively affecting your % win chance.

And ironically enough when you stay on 16 against a dealer face the player next to you thinks you're the fucking idiot and might be affecting their outcome (which you're not).

Everyone I've sat down with has just said "Play consistent and I won't get mad." Most people I've played with has said they don't hit hard 16's.

I didn't create the game, all I know is how I play and how I was taught to play. Frankly I look at the dealer a lot and in AZ they will give you a stupid look if you're making a stupid call, or they'll ask you if you're sure. Which is kind of funny but also can be helpful sometimes.

Okay, so I can agree that nothing any other player does has an affect on how you play. But it does have an affect on the OUTCOME of the hand if there is anyone other than you at the table.

based on your cards alone compared to the dealer you guys are right.

But once 1st or 2nd base steals your high card when your sitting 3rd.... it most certainly DOES effect your play...

you can cry math all you want... but thats head to head... once you introduce others and they screw or help you in your hand... your math becomes logistics and statistics...

Even MIT lost some nights...

Keep in mind that Black Jack is a game of patience.

So what effects one hand one way, could effect the next hand another way. By that I mean, someone could play a hand bad and you win the hand, or not bust out. Then next time could have the opposite effect.

It's over the long haul in BJ that matters.

You are equally affected by what all players do at the table, but it does not matter one iota if they play perfect basic strategy or do stupid things like always stay on hard 16s. The skill level of the players at your table does not affect you. End of story.

Someone get this senile idiot out of here. :uhoh :disgust

It does affect your outcome, but it can affect it both positively or negatively. It doesnt affect your over all % win chance. Thus the other players at the table do not affect your chances of winning, no matter how they play. The only way that it could affect your overall win % outcome is if you let it and start playing based on gut instinct in reaction to the way they played their hand. Ie: You both had a 16 against a dealer 17 and they took a card and received a 4. You then decide to stand because they took a low card.

No one steals your cards. That is just silly.

So math only is relevant when you are playing with yourself? :1orglaugh

So if you sat at a table of Blackjack pros you would win more because they all played every hand correctly?

Only the old man claimed to be invincible. Everyone loses. You only have a slight advantage when you are playing perfectly (counting correct and perfect basic strategy) and you still WILL lose sometimes.

Well said fine sire.
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perhaps i misunderstood the original post... because ill agree they dont effect your percentage on chance to win... unless youre a team.

I just meant that others' play can effect yours...

im out... poker is more entertaining...

I thank all you doubters. Sold 21 books yesterday. Most daily sales this year. I wouldn't even imagine anyone from here was buying Bill's book. Nahhhhhhh.

Led Bill to this thread and he told me to just dump out of it so this will be my last post on the matter.

Bill also suggested we raise the price of the book to $99. He suggested that would eliminate 99% of the people on here from having the money to buy it. Am seriously considering raising the price.

So long LOSERS. And, for the ones that bought the book Good Luck and enjoy your winnings.

By the way ... don't lose face on here and come back and apologize for the stupid remarks you made to me. You wouldn't want people to think YOU was full of shit.

Bye bye.

Maybe he can 'suggest' you play more golf, enjoy your millions, and play more bingo instead of hanging out on an adult webmaster board in your golden years?

If the book is so great why are you on an Adult Webmaster forum pimpin' it and not a Blackjack forum?

Which was your whole purpose. Now please go fuck yourself :321GFY

I wondered that same thing.

My Dad is probably the only guy I know who ALMOST ALWAYS WINS at blackjack. I saw him play at the Venetian several years back. 20 hands. 1 loss. Crazy shit. He gets comped so much, he practically lives at the Rio and the Venetian.

Talk about stereotypical Asian male gamblers. LoL

As for me, I suck at poker, blackjack, roulette, you name it.

All anyone had to do in this thread was order the book and paste all the valuable info on the board. :1orglaugh

I guess the 21 people that bought it felt it was too valuable to share here :1orglaugh