I fail to see how this is connected to the law.

The law simply says "if police believe anyone they come into contact with is here illegally, the must look into it". It's really no fucking different then the concept of "If I pull someone over for speeding and I smell pot or booze, I must look into it further".

A woman was pulled over in Phoenix a few months ago; It's been all over the news. She's a student, and her student visa has long since expired. I don't get this. Setting aside the fact that she is here in the country illegally, she's driving without a license, without insurance, and in a car that is not legally registered. If I do this, I go to to jail.

I'm sorry the kid was shot. But, that's what you get when your rolling with a pack of people who throw rocks at police officers. Period.

the kid getting killed thats not this topic this is the guy tasered after attacking the border agents. well the 15 year old kid learned the hard way. rocks can be used as weapons.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

A negro claiming hispanics have a victim mentality?

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Fucking hilarious!

I hold the illegal alien personally responsible for his crimes too.

The difference is one was murdered for his crime and one was locked up properly.
I also hold the police responsible when they commit crimes. Why do you not?

lethal force was used. im guessing you read the police report tho their probably isnt one yet since the case is fresh. your just voicing your opinion.

VERY WELL SAID!

You are 100% sir. I have also know people in their jails and
your are correct.

Mexico is 3rd world at best, they treat their own people like animals, murder
in public places is a daily occur. down there.

To all the haters: If you think shit is better someplace else, MOVE THE FUCK OVER THERE!
We don't want you.

My 2 cents..

The police report reflects the story of the police, not the truth. The California medical examiner has already ruled this a homicide.

Again I ask, how come when the police commit crimes, you give them a free pass?

its really bullshit dont cross into another country illegally.

Okay, That's not really a reason, but for a moment let's just say fine, if you cross the border illegally, there is a chance the Border Patrol may kill you. What about all the other police crimes? Don't you feel they should be held accountable like everyone else?

Why, when a cop shoots and kills an unarmed person in the back, (or someone sleeping), do some people immediately say retarded things like, "Oh, well they have a hard job, it's okay".... "Those are the breaks"....

man its a dangerous job and mistakes will happen. fatal mistakes. did you even see the rocks they were throwing. :helpme we played with dirt bombs when we were kids and that shit hurt like hell when it clocked your dome. :1orglaugh a rock will crack your head open possibly kill u. its a weapon period. the kid was killed while violating the law.

I'm not talking about "mistakes". Everyone makes mistakes. I'm specifically talking about straight up murder and other crimes and corruption of the authorities. I've posted many real-life examples this week of crimes committed by the police in the last recent months, and yet it's still, "Oh well they have a hard job".

In mexico, I believe you're guilty till proven innocent, so if you're not going to be a prisoner, I wouldn't go there

Interesting...

So, how did that work then? Did Mexico lock up everyone in the country, sort through them to find the innocent ones, and those are the people loose on the streets down there now? If you go on vacation, do you fly in to a prison camp first? They all started from jail?

Really?

yeah well some will be punished. but some have friends in high places.

I do feel that it's important to have seperation of powers. Legislative, to make the laws. Executive, to enforce the laws. Judicial, to interpret the law.

It's strange that police are almost a pseudo branch. We dont really think of them as part of any of those three, but they play a role AS IF they are all three at times. Thats when it goes wrong.

All you can really do is remember to vote, and dont just pick some name you recognize. If you feel your police is bad, elect a new mayor I guess. Propose laws and such.

And there it is folks.

You see, if people... you know, the public... started holding these police accountable for their crimes, there would probably be less police crime. As it is, every single law enforcement officer out there knows no matter what he does... even murder... there is a 100% chance of being backed up by other police, and a 99.9% chance of getting completely away with it, just because they are cops.

Start putting some of these criminals wearing the badge in real prison, and police crime will go down. And for the life of me, I cannot understand why you wouldn't be doing that already, especially if you support the police. Why would you or anyone else want some murdering cop tarnishing the image of the authorities?

nothing is perfect police are just a big form of a street gang some commit the crimes but others do not but they will back their own people.

Yeah... I know.

And I find it completely unacceptable given that I'm paying their salaries.

yeah well jump in there u know what happened to haffa. :uhoh they made him disappear :helpme

I'll bet you whined like a typical negro when Rodney King got his ass kicked by the police. You just think this is okay because they guy was a Mexican.

Good, he was here ILLEGALLY in the first place AND tried to resist. I have no tolerance for these idiots. We've got enough of them in our own town and they do nothing but cause trouble.

Tighten up border patrol and shoot anyone who tries to cross. :2 cents:

big fences make great neighbors.

"Locked up properly"?? You don't hold the Mexican prison authorities responsible when the conditions in their jails are sub human, and certainly well below any international standards?

.

Actually, what that means is if you are suspected and arrested for a crime, it is up the defendent to prove innocence, not the other way around. It's actually not THAT uncommon in the world.

.

I am not a Mexican citizen. I have no say in their affairs.

Again, Mexican affairs. Not US affairs. I am a US citizen, not a Mexican citizen. When I become a Mexican citizen, then I will criticize their misdeeds and flaws.

good luck with that if you get robbed by the cartels dont try to sneak back in here you will be deported. :winkwink:

No, I'd more than likely be murdered by the Border Patrol.

well man im guessing you are trying to be a voice for mexico. if your trying to harm me id use the force i needed dead or alive.

I'm not trying to be a voice for Mexico in any way.
I'm trying to open people's eyes to the fact that police all over the country (the US) are committing blatant crimes and getting away with it. We should all expect more from our law enforcement and officials in a position of public trust.

What disturbs me is that due to pure apathy on the part of some of the public, the police most often get a 100% free pass on their crimes and are even cheered and encouraged to go out and kill more people. When facts are presented on a case that cannot be refuted in any way... like cases where it actually went to trial... police are given stacked juries, or kush accommodations for their very short sentences.

It is ludicrous hypocrisy to take a stand of, "fully support the police", condemn criminals, yet allow police-criminals to do as they please. It shows that there is no real respect for the law... it's all just smoke and bullshit and blind uninformed support for an agency rife with corruption and good-'ol-boy policies. If you support the law at all, the crimes committed by police officers should be completely appalling to you.

yes but what is your plan.talk is cheap

Awareness is step one. Dialog is step two. Battling mass apathy is an uphill fight.

indeed the awareness was in the 90's dialog as well. the judges have too much power.:2 cents: we need to get that fixed first.

If I purchase the tickets will that encourage you to go earlier? Take your agenda down there about the police and see how well it goes over. It's tiresome here. You have your attention, now take it south of the border.

Bottom line is this, if you are not in a scenario where these incidents happen, then they would not happen in the first place. Stop pointing blame elsewhere and accept accountability of the "victim" for a change. You sound like the kind of person that would blame McDonald's for you being overweight even though they didn't personally deliver the food to your house and force it down your throat.

Hey, if you're springing for tickets, I'll gladly take them any time.
Is that a real offer, or are you just spouting patriotic nonsense?

Seriously, I will most definitely accept airline tickets to Mexico if you're willing to buy them. Mexico has the Internet too you know. :)

again....

you throw a rock at me you will get shot....

thats what they train all cops as well... a rock is considered a deadly weapon .....

would you willingly let me pick a rock and throw it at you ? Hell NO you wouldn't

you think it was the cops fault when they were just reacting to what they were trained ....

don;t belive me go pick a city... go downtown and grab a few rocks and when the cops come start throwing those rocks at said cops and see how fast you end up shot...

IMO you throw rocks at cops you get shot...

and yes I teach my kids that as well...

don't start nothing won't be nothing... see what people don't understand is Cops and Judges are god in this country ....

I live in Las Vegas and I am amazed everyday to see the idiots on the strip arguing with cops ... "you can't do that " or "thats not illlegal" or "I'm within my rights" blah blah.... at the end they all either end up tazed or in jail.... the tazer is the best thing they made for cops.... fuck i'd be tazing everyfucking body..... you know what they have to deal with each day......

This post is wrong on so many levels it's physically painful.

I have several family members in law enforcement, and I will be asking them if that is part of their training. As long as you have no objections, I will ask them this question, "Does the police academy train new officers to kill civilians that throw rocks?"


I wouldn't kill you for it. Especially if I'm wearing kevlar body armor and a helmet.

Yes. I do.

Which is exactly why I won't be doing that. I already know the police will execute me.

Wrong. They are people entrusted to enforce the laws of this country. That does not exempt them from those laws.

Hey, I can't speak for people on the street in situations I know nothing about. But I am grateful you are not a cop, given your admitted hatred of the public. (i.e. "i'd be tazing everyfucking body")

Make sure when you ask your family in LEO make sure you word it like this...

"if a criminal was throwing rocks at YOU and you felt in fear of your life would you shoot the criminal"

there is a difference between throwing rocks in the street vs throwing rocks at a person your not an idiot you know that....

now lets say someone is throwing rocks at your wife would you not defend her?

my hatred for the public? you took me all wrong with the tazing everyfucking body statement....

when I say that I mean criminals .... sorry bro but when your a criminal you loose all your rights IMO....

as for the you throwing rocks.... I see so you understand then that throwing rocks is not a good idea especally at cops....


I have a girlfriend out here who's NHP (Nevada Highway Patrol) she was backing up marshalls on a homeless guy trespassing call in a desert... now as she approached the homeless guy he started throwing rocks at her one hit her in the head the other off her vest... the head one cut her pretty good... as she was retreating calling in for backup she tripped and fell over a bigger rock that took her footing... now here she lay on her back with a crazed homeless guy coming twords her with a huge rock in his hand... she managed to pull her service weapon and get 3 shots off 2 headshots and 1 centermass.. the homeless guy died .....


now a Jury and a coroner ruled it justifiable .....

so now tell me whats the fucking difference here.....

moral of the story and I think any smart person will agree .... you throw rocks at cops you might end up dead... period..... and I don't disagree what so ever.... thats my point....

now when you make a valid point I may agree.....

http://www.mexicoreporter.com/2008/0...ustice-system/

Their legal system is pretty fucked up, just like their government

And ours isn't? :1orglaugh

1. Again, I do not have a voice in Mexican affairs. I am not a Mexican citizen.
2. The article you're referencing says right in the first line, "Sweeping overhauls to Mexico?s criminal trial system announced last week could bring the country into the modern world", which means they are doing something about it. Why aren't we?

P.S. What happened to your election thread from last night? I looked for it for over an hour last night and couldn't find it anywhere. I wanted to discuss some of the results with you last night as they were coming in, but I was unable to locate it. :(

mexico is in a different class come on man.

Oh I agree with you. But we have our own problems, and instead of fixing them we collectively point to a more fucked up system and say, "See, we aren't so bad, they are worse." which makes us feel all warm and protected, just short of snuggling up on the sofa wrapped up in a US flag. That is our country's solution to our own problems. Point fingers at someone else.

I was sentenced to 8 years & 8 months or a $1,200 fine.

My bunkmate had to do 1.5 years or pay a $400 fine.

I was out 24 hours after I got my sentence. No way he was getting out.

Definitely a bit biased towards those with cash.

Yeah I remember Obama promising sweeping overhauls, so far we have more government, less people working and all the things people complained about like the war and the patriot act are still here. I don't know what happened to that thread. not going to look for it, it went the way I thought it would, it reflected people being pissed off, mostly because of unemployment

I was told that when you travel in Mexico, keep some money some place that you could hide it. If they take your wallet when they arrest you, you have nothing to barter with. I use to have a money belt I wore when I went down there, it's not illegal to offer a bribe, just to take one. I've had to offer a few bribes to get either myself or others out. They pay their cops shit.

and i wonder why the cartels shoot up the police stations in mexico. :1orglaugh

While I don't dispute your experience, that seems really disproportionate.... $1,200 bucks versus nearly 9 years? Who thought that up? :1orglaugh
I wonder if they set fine amounts at levels they think people will be able to pay and use the excessive jail time as incentive to fork over the $$.....

I don't necessarily agree with a lot of Mexico's ways either. Bribing cops as standard everyday practice, crazy jail sentences, etc.... they need plenty of changes too.

50% of the prison population was there for minor charges such as caught with drugs or knives on their person. The fines were always around $65-85 or 4 to 6 months. 95% of them did the 4 to 6 months because Tijuana is so poverty stricken.

I didn't make the fines, but since we were expecting a $10,000 fine I won't argue with $1,200.

do you live there? if not will you go back?